Thread: Heartburn cycle related?
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11-21-2012, 11:47 PM #1
Heartburn cycle related?
I have been experiencing some major heart burn/sour stomach for the last cpl days. Really made me quite sick last night and this morn. Has anyone experienced this before while cycling?
Is there any relationship to the heartburn and cycling or is it simply a coincidence?
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11-21-2012, 11:49 PM #2Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-21-2012, 11:51 PM #3Banned
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Really? I haven't had any problems with Anavar . Just massive calf pumps walking to and from the gym lol. I am feeling pretty lethargic too it's quite annoying. Will that go away when I start PCT? Does the Nolvadex help with that? And to the OP, how quickly do you eat your food lol? If your on cycle and usually pretty hungry, then you might be eating faster than usual?
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11-21-2012, 11:54 PM #4
Hey Lunk, I have exactly the same problem. In fact, I posted a similar thread a few months back. I'm thinking about using some prilosec next cycle.
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11-21-2012, 11:55 PM #5Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
What AI are you running with Anavar? Any?
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11-21-2012, 11:59 PM #6Banned
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Nope. Didn't want the side effects of an AI. And I got mixed answers in regards to an AI. A lot said you don't need an AI, and some said I do. I just don't like the sound of the side effects from an AI on Anavar. The only supplements (other than multi's, creatine etc) I'm using with the Anavar are Liv52 and Lipid Stabil.
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11-22-2012, 12:02 AM #7Originally Posted by AsEpSiS
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11-22-2012, 12:04 AM #8
I don't even know what any of that is lol....
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11-22-2012, 12:08 AM #9Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
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11-22-2012, 12:11 AM #10Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-22-2012, 12:12 AM #11
Ill grab some Zantag in the morn...thanks buddy. Enjoy, call if ya need bond
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11-22-2012, 12:15 AM #12Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-22-2012, 12:47 AM #13Banned
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Thanks. Well I haven't really displayed any signs of really elevated estrogen. I mean, my nipples are the TINIEST bit puffy, not as bad as I see some people with gyno. No itching, soreness or lumps under the nipples either. Anyway, I've been to the gym for fifteen days straight now, no rest. I've been getting insane gains doing this, even though I know rest days are important.
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11-22-2012, 12:55 AM #14Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
15 days straight!?! Not smart at all. You grow when you REST. Right now you are over training.
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11-22-2012, 01:02 AM #15Banned
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11-22-2012, 01:07 AM #16Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
Do you think the pros or even the vets that have done this longer than you may have been alive train at that intensity? The answer is no.
Eat. Lift. REST. Repeat.
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11-22-2012, 01:10 AM #17Banned
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No I absolutely agree. I'll take the vets opinions on this matter over my own any day lol. I just couldn't work out why I should rest if my gains were better and quicker when training non stop. I'll take your advice though. Marcus gave me some good advice much like yours so I think two vets outweigh a noob's opinion easily haha. Thanks. Is a 3:1 training protocol alright? Three days on, one day off?
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11-22-2012, 01:18 AM #18Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
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I'm glad this got brought up. I was thinking about throwing the same question out there. I just started getting some heartburn/gurd yesterday after being about 2 weeks into running tbol at 50mg ed. I also wondering if it could be related. I also had other sides before the heartburn started like drowsiness and strange sides with my vision thats hard to explain. Its kind of like seeing spots or shadows in my periferal vision. Even almost feels like im walking around in a dream. But the vision thing doesnt last very long when it happens, only about 20 min.
Anybody else ever experience anything like this??
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11-22-2012, 01:27 AM #20Originally Posted by Wes201
WRT to your vision problem, I haven't come across this but I do know that some of the more serious issues with oral anabolics lately that have been brought to my attention are those coming from British Dragon. I'm not suggesting they are selling bad product but its been a common factor in many of the cases I've been asked to assess and comment on.
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11-22-2012, 01:38 AM #22Originally Posted by Wes201
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11-22-2012, 01:57 AM #24Originally Posted by Doont-Hunter
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11-22-2012, 02:12 AM #26
I was actually gonna post something about this. I don't have bad heart burn but I do have it on injection days.
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Hopefully this wont effect your eating today!
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11-22-2012, 11:10 AM #29Originally Posted by warmouth
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11-22-2012, 02:34 PM #30Banned
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Bold is not true, building new muscle tissue occurs 24/7. It wouldn't make much sense if it was only when you slept, as if some chemical was released during a certain phase of sleep and this hormone enables muscle cell proliferation. If this truly was the case then that chemical or hormone would be EXTREMELY sought after by bodybuilders as you would be able to have it in your body 24/7 and you get 16 hours more of muscle building/day that way. I agree that rest is very important, but the sleep/building thing isn't true.
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11-22-2012, 02:40 PM #31
Hey Lunk,
I haven't read through this thread but I will say that there IS definitely a correlation between GERD/heartburn and oral AAS use. Are you running any orals? It is related to impaired bile function in connection with the effect of oral AAS on the liver. I posted about this in a thread long ago where another member asked the same thing. I'll try to look for it and then post the link here for you to see. It's nothing to freak out about, but its something that UDCA/TUDCA will take care of.
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11-22-2012, 02:46 PM #32Originally Posted by Sworder
Don't be ridiculous. I'm not suggesting that you only repair and recover when you sleep. That assumption is absurd and asinine. You've got young guys on here thinking that working out 15 days straight is okay. That's just as ridiculous. Go ahead and tell them sleep isn't important and see how far they get before injuries and other ailments occur.
Saying sleep isn't important makes as much sense as telling them nutrition is overstated and unimportant. The message I'm trying to convey is that sleep is as vital as training and eating. These young guys take anabolic compounds, feel invincible, and workout far too long and over train. It's counterproductive and there is no way I will be convinced otherwise. Go ahead. Sleep less, over train and see what happens. I know you're not that naive man. Just don't convey they wrong message.
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11-22-2012, 02:50 PM #33
Lunk, I found it. Read through this thread here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-acid-reflux
I also mentioned these issues in my liver thread here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-ORAL-TOXICITY!!
And here is the specific snippet from my liver thread concerning the heartburn issue:
Everytime now that I take an oral AAS, I get massive heartburn within 3 days. I even tried an injectable oral and still got acid reflux within a week. So, I did some research and found some interesting information. This is just a random post I found on Google.
http://www.********.com/forums/archi...p/t-36636.html
Everyone seems to miss what is happening here. If an oral kills your appetite, it is because it is too toxic for the liver. I forget exactly what happens, but to summarize, when the liver is overloaded it causes a slowing of digestion, and a backflow of bile, which is why you also see people complaining of acid reflux on harsh 17aa's. The only way to really cure your appetite is to drop the anadrol . Perhaps next time around run with liv. 52 and alpha lipoic acid?
From what I read, bile helps with digestion. Now, when I take an oral AAS, the pain I get is similar to acid reflu/heartburn, but not exactly. It feels more like the food I eat just sits in my stomach and rots, never digesting. Lets say I eat some tacos on Tuesday, by Thursday morning I am still burping that taste up.That always made me wonder if orals cause heartburn or something similar.
Now read this
http://www.emoryhealthcare.org/liver...blems.html#PBC
In primary biliary cirrhosis, inflammation destroys the bile ducts and prevents bile from escaping the liver. The accumulated bile damages healthy liver tissue, eventually leading to cirrhosis (scarring). As scar tissue replaces healthy liver tissue, the liver loses its ability to function. All this happens very slowly. People with PBC can lead healthy, symptom-free lives for 10 years or more after diagnosis.
Though primary biliary cirrhosis is often asymptomatic, especially early on, the most common symptom is extreme itching, especially in the arms, legs and back. Other symptoms include fluid buildup in the abdomen or legs, jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin), or fatty deposits and darkening of the skin under the eyes.
The standard treatment for PBC is a daily dose of a medication called ursodiol. Ursodiol improves liver function and increases life expectancy in people with PBC. Other medications may be indicated for controlling symptoms
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11-22-2012, 02:56 PM #34Banned
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