Epiatane and Tren

[Stevesteveo6]

Im going to be starting a cycle of epistane and Tren in early January. I know how I'm going To be using the Tren, but what doses of epistane should I do and for how long? I was thinking 20/20/30/40

I spelled epistane wrong in the title. Sorry

[stpete]

You still stuck on those pro hormone, huh? Well, neither is a good fit for you right now. what kind of tren were you considering?

[Stevesteveo6]

Estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione 10 mg. my diet is working very well. 375/122/54 on 2444 calories. I'm losing about 1-2lbs a day, but I lost 10 lbs off my bench. I knew I would lose muscle...but that's too much too quick for my liking.

[gixxerboy1]

stane is complete garbage. I threw half a bottle in the toilet. Even on my trt it killed my sex drive. That is the only thing i have ever taken that did that. Even when my natural yest was 180 before i got on trt my sex drive was better then on stane and test. and it made me break out so bad

[stpete]

I forgot your age Steve. And what exactly are your goals? Cut?

[BallerBoi]

Bro, drop the prohormones. They're so liver toxic it's not even worth the little gains you'll make. If you're going to mess around with PH's why not just cycle AAS's.

[Stevesteveo6]

19. Yeah to cut. I'm doing well in the cut so far but I'm losing too much muscle. The point of the cut is for a sponsorship. But I won't get it if my strength goes away. And liver toxic? Not worried. Haven't touched alcohol or anything like that and won't until 21. I take good doses of milk thistle regularly and do a 7 day cleanse twice a year. And alright did tri-methyl 4-5 months ago and had no sides. I'm very well educated and know how to take care of my body. Just looking on advice on how much to take

[stpete]

Here are some good reads for you:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULVV2ofIWMs

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...)#.ULVWG4fIWMs

[sixfootseven]

Well chit, I have had a bottle of epi for over two years. I was planning on using it a couple times but decided against it each time. I am glad I made a good choice. I'm gonna throw hat junk away.

sidenote: I have also had a bottle of nolva for over two years, should i throw it out as well?

[DAAS]

Despite what people say I had a good experience with EPI. Dried the shit outta my joints though.
Of course the EPI I took was the original havoc.
You most likely have garbage. Although again most people would say All PH's are garbage.
Just focus on diet. I wish I never messed with anything as early as I did. I can only imagine the gains I could have got to all natural with a good diet. Now I will never know because who knows if I fully recovered.

[sixfootseven]

nO it is the original havoc as well.

I have my diet and stuff dialed in. I'm not a noob to training, just aas. been training 5 years.

[Mr226]

There is a usually a difference between the Epi compound and the way Havoc is written. I saw decent result off Havoc (NDN E-Gear) OTC when it was legal