Adding too TRT?

[warmouth]

*EDIT* - I am a moron for misspelling "too" in the title. Well, using the wrong form of the word, not misspelling it. Geez!

I didnt want to clutter up the TRT section with questions about compounds other than test, so I figured Id bless you guys instead . I am on 125mgs of testosterone cypionate weekly and would like to add something to it eventually whenever I have good news from my doctors. I am not rushing anything, taking it slow, and just being patient with my decisions. I am wanting something that doesnt just destroy lipid panels. I understand that most, if not all AAS has the probability to elevate total cholesterol, but I am looking for specific compounds that dont cause as much damage as say Winstrol, for instance. I have some Nandrolone Deconate I was thinking about running. I have read alot of mixed reviews on what is actually does to lipids. I would like to run 300mgs pinned 1x weekly with my TRT, but was curious as to if I needed to up my test to 250mgs? I dont want to use an AI, or at least very little of one. I know the AIs can and are usually more damaging to cholesterol than the AAS used. So for a sample cycle, what about this:

TRT dose of 125mgs test weekly
Weeks 1-14 Nan Deconate @ 300mgs pinned 1x weekly
Weeks 1-14 liquidex @ .25 M/W/F

My biggest concern with this proposed "cycle" is that is seems the general consensus prefers to run Test higher than the Deca due to the sexual sides. I figured that upping the test to 250 would be less of a concern, but this is also where I am stumpt. I really am trying to get by with as little or no AI as possible. Deca might be of concern as far as estrogen related progesterine issues, but once again, I am no expert in Nandrolone. Heck, maybe you guys would not recommend Deca in the first place for this. I am very open to opinions and suggestions from people who might have just added to their TRT and have had postive results with whatever compound they may have used. Definitely open for some input. Thanks guys!

[Bio-Active]

How long have you been on TRT?

[warmouth]

About a year and a half. Had low T for at least 5 years prior, just undiagnosed.

[gixxerboy1]

everyone is different. you may get away with 125mgs of test since the deca dose is low also. I do think if you bump the dose you should use an ai. You might not have gyno issues but i think it would be a good idea to use.

As for other drugs what specifically are your goals.

[Bio-Active]

I agree depending on your goals why not just up the test for 12 weeks and experience that before adding other compounds?

everyone is different. you may get away with 125mgs of test since the deca dose is low also. I do think if you bump the dose you should use an ai. You might not have gyno issues but i think it would be a good idea to use.

As for other drugs what specifically are your goals.

[warmouth]

everyone is different. you may get away with 125mgs of test since the deca dose is low also. I do think if you bump the dose you should use an ai. You might not have gyno issues but i think it would be a good idea to use.

As for other drugs what specifically are your goals.

Thank you! Well, my goals are just to add a bit of size pretty slow. I am fluctuating right now between 178-183 depending on the week. I just want to take the gain slow and steady. I have hypertension, High triglycerides, hight cholesterol, and some palpitations. I dont want to start until I get cleared from the cardiologist and general physician. Definitely not going to be dumb about it, even though I want to be! I have never had gyno symptoms, but have have issues with sex drive and worsening of acne. For some reason lately, I have not ben able to control my BP, and my doctor has changed my BP meds 3 times in 2 months to try and get it controlled. So with all that said, I am wanting to put a little stress on my cardiovascular system as possible, hence wanting a slow and patient gain. Target weight is 205, not this cycle, but within the next 8 months Id like to be there. Low bodyfat of course.

[Bio-Active]

How dialed in do you have your diet?

[warmouth]

I agree depending on your goals why not just up the test for 12 weeks and experience that before adding other compounds?

Thanks Jim. I have upped the test on a couple of occasions, but my reason for adding to my TRT is to keep the use of an AI at bay as much as I can. I like test as a primary and only compound, and would run test only cycles forever if my E2 or cardiovascular system wasnt a concern. I love test only and would only do it if it was in the cards for me. But in my situation, I feel as if though high test would be as dangerous to me as high tren(for example) would be for another guy. Just trying to weigh out my options, and seek as much advice on this as possible.

[warmouth]

How dialed in do you have your diet?

Sorry to keep posting different posts, lol. I am not a fast typer. My diet is immaculate at the time being for my current goal of lowering my LDL. It is not where it should be for gaining mass, but that will be dialed in when I am ready to get back on. I have taken alot of time off from high proteins, carbs, fats and even cut back alot on training until I get some answers from my cardiologist. Finally getting to see him this week, after waiting 2 months to get in!

[Bio-Active]

Its so tough cause everyone is so different I think you are going to need to have an ai on hand for sure just in case. I always keep one on hand but so far have never needed to use it. Do you have an independent lab around were you can monitor your labs to keep everything in check?

[warmouth]

Its so tough cause everyone is so different I think you are going to need to have an ai on hand for sure just in case. I always keep one on hand but so far have never needed to use it. Do you have an independent lab around were you can monitor your labs to keep everything in check?

Oh yeah. Ill definitley keep the liquidex on hand for sure. I only occasionally take it now, but take it only to a small degree. I dont have an independent lab that I know of. I have thought about trying, but am always paranoid that my insurance will get wind of it, or family. I would really like to know where I stood while on. My personal doctor just randomly put me on TRT and has yet to re-evaluate me or give me any blood work since putting me on. I have asked many times, but he says it is not needed with topical test, which I know is ridiculous. He is old and thinks he is just adding more test to my natural test. No, seriously, he does. So yeah, it is time for a new doctor. Been with him for 20 years, but it is time to move on.

[Bio-Active]

Google Anytime labs and see if there is one in your area. No need to use insurance and its very affordable. Gives you piece of mind.

[warmouth]

^^^Will do! Thanks alot for that.

[Bio-Active]

You bet bro glad i could help

[warmouth]

Still looking into this. I have some BW(CBC and all panels), echocardiogram, and a renal ultrasound coming up in about 2 or 3 weeks. On a holter monitor now for the next 40 hours. Last BW was done 2 months ago. Anything else form anyone in the "know"? Bonaparte, AD, MI, anyone? I figured you guys would have a bit of fun with this.

[kelkel]

Thank you! Well, my goals are just to add a bit of size pretty slow. I am fluctuating right now between 178-183 depending on the week. I just want to take the gain slow and steady. I have hypertension, High triglycerides, hight cholesterol, and some palpitations. I dont want to start until I get cleared from the cardiologist and general physician. Definitely not going to be dumb about it, even though I want to be! I have never had gyno symptoms, but have have issues with sex drive and worsening of acne. For some reason lately, I have not ben able to control my BP, and my doctor has changed my BP meds 3 times in 2 months to try and get it controlled. So with all that said, I am wanting to put a little stress on my cardiovascular system as possible, hence wanting a slow and patient gain. Target weight is 205, not this cycle, but within the next 8 months Id like to be there. Low bodyfat of course.

IMO, getting medically cleared as you indicated is prudent. Unfortunately most doc's say your fine if your anywhere within the lab scale. I'd really give this some time before you embark on this. Your overall health is far more important than a few extra pounds.

Question. Are you on statins or non-statins? Talk to your doc about low dose daily cialis as it will help with blood pressure. Also do some research on DHEA as it will help backfill pathways now that your on TRT. It will also help with you lipids. If you use it, get micronized only and I'd suggest starting low at 25mg per day and re-evaluate your BW. Consider the same advice for Pregnenolone. I'll throw one more at you, Vit D3. If not supplementing do so. It improves your free T level and is arguably one of the most important vitamins (hormone actually) that you can take.

kel

[warmouth]

IMO, getting medically cleared as you indicated is prudent. Unfortunately most doc's say your fine if your anywhere within the lab scale. I'd really give this some time before you embark on this. Your overall health is far more important than a few extra pounds.

Question. Are you on statins or non-statins? Talk to your doc about low dose daily cialis as it will help with blood pressure. Also do some research on DHEA as it will help backfill pathways now that your on TRT. It will also help with you lipids. If you use it, get micronized only and I'd suggest starting low at 25mg per day and re-evaluate your BW. Consider the same advice for Pregnenolone. I'll throw one more at you, Vit D3. If not supplementing do so. It improves your free T level and is arguably one of the most important vitamins (hormone actually) that you can take.

kel

Thanks alot! I have a renal ultrasound, ecocardiogram, and another round of BW scheduled in 2 or 3 weeks. My new cardiologist seems to suspect a blockage in my kidneys that has been undiagnosed for 15 years. He said that even though hypertension is hereditary in my case, that the doctors should have questioned why it came on so early in me (15years old).
Anyways, I wont touch anything until cleared in a few weeks. I am supplementing with D3, and have been for about 2 months now, after my lastset of BW. What I dont understand, and would like to know as I am now intrigued, what the DHEA does by backfilling pathways? That interests me. My doctor told me not to take it because it could mess with my TRT. Keep in mind, my doctor is 80 and has no business prescribing TRT anyways because he dosent know anything about it. My sex drive is still sucky even while on TRT. Heck, maybe this is an issue I should post in the TRT section...

[kelkel]

Great on the D3. Next BW test your 25-Hydroxy and see where your at and adjust accordingly. When it comes to DHEA & Preg, your on TRT and you basically introduce exogenous T downstream of both, hence my terminology of "backfill" pathways. These are important elements and no doubt your doc dismissed it as he's just not up on these aspects. Test for them as well and decide. Guaranteed you low. DHEA should be tested as DHEA-S. They will contribute to your overall health. Take a look at GD's sticky in the HRT section for further details as no need to regurgitate it all here!

Example, my dhea was very low (think toilet) and I was using a transdermal cream combo to try and elevate it. It worked a little. I started with 50mg micronized and within two months it jumped up 150%. Hopefully still rising. I'm assuming HCG is part of your protocol?

kel

[warmouth]

HCG is not a part of my protocol. Literally, the doctor just prescribed me testosterone gel when he saw my total test was under 400. Since starting the gel, it is 330. With that said, I asked him for cypionate injections and he told me that was "old practice" and the new topicals are going to be the replacement of the future and that they are more effective. I asked why my T was lower than before. He replied "I must not have been taking it regularly or enough." So from then on, I just started using Cyp from my personal stash and going 125mgs a week. Going to get that tested on my next round of BW. My doctor really sucks and I am shopping for a young guy, fresh out of med school.

[kelkel]

Wow that is bad. Good luck with this warmouth!

[Bio-Active]

That sucks i would get a new doc for sure!!

HCG is not a part of my protocol. Literally, the doctor just prescribed me testosterone gel when he saw my total test was under 400. Since starting the gel, it is 330. With that said, I asked him for cypionate injections and he told me that was "old practice" and the new topicals are going to be the replacement of the future and that they are more effective. I asked why my T was lower than before. He replied "I must not have been taking it regularly or enough." So from then on, I just started using Cyp from my personal stash and going 125mgs a week. Going to get that tested on my next round of BW. My doctor really sucks and I am shopping for a young guy, fresh out of med school.

[tngator]

your doctor sounds horrible.. I'm new to these forums and trying to learn but the one thing i have learned is how important HCG can be... definitely a must have on TRT

[Allaaro]

There is nothing wrong with using a TRT dose test with deca/adex. As long as you know you are 'possible' to have some sexual sides. If you can get caber, .5mg twice per week would help that.

But like others said, I'd work on getting your TRT setup first and get some HCG before doing any cycling.