First cycle

[dougal]

Hi guys little bit of back ground I'm 28 6ft 4 105kg been training for 5-6 years and I just feel like I'm not get anywhere so what to try steroids . I've tried loads of different supps like test boosters pro hormones creatine all that stuff and not a lot to show for it. So basically been doing my research for the last few months but still want some reassurance my cycle is gonna go like this : it's a 10 week cycle
Andropen 275 Monday's and Thursdays at 1ml
Armidex weeks 1-12 at 0.5mg ed
Clomid weeks 12-16 (14 days after last jab) at 50mg ed
Nolvadex weeks 12-16 at 20mg ed

I might throw in some winny on weeks 8-12 just to reduce any water retention and harden me up. What do you guys think? Any comments will be muchly appreciated

[dougal]

Sorry forgot to write andropen is for weeks 1-10

[Perseverance1]

Stick to a 500mg/week 10-12 week test only cycle for your first one.

You should also read up on Ai's and HCG as well as re-look into PCT prior to ordering anything. A little research goes a LONG way. Trust me.

[MickeyKnox]

Agreed ^^

Please take a look at this link that describes beginners cycles in detail. Also read up on the various compounds that are included in a typical cycle to familiarize yourself with the possible sides and how to bets combat them.

Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[dougal]

Oh cheers guys that's what I wanted to do in the first place I was gonna do enanthate but my guy doesn't have any test by itself only sustanon 350 or andropen 275 deca and alot of orals bit stumped now :/ that thread is really good Mickyknox thank you

[MickeyKnox]

Youre welcome Doug.

Stick with test only for the first time. If you guy doesn't have test, then find someone who does.

[John Andrew]

Sustanon 350 is test only! Just a mix of esters. Inject twice a week! Look at PCt and have it on hand. regards John

[MickeyKnox]

Sust is fine, but i don't like blends. If its possible, choose an ester and stick with it.

[dougal]

Hi guys just seen my guy got test prop he says 1ml Monday 1ml Thursday taking 10mg of nolvadex ed to minimise gyno then all for 10 weeks then week 12 take 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex first day then 50mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex ed for a month will this be ok for a first cycle? Thanks again

[BR0DIE]

Hi guys just seen my guy got test prop he says 1ml Monday 1ml Thursday taking 10mg of nolvadex ed to minimise gyno then all for 10 weeks then week 12 take 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex first day then 50mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex ed for a month will this be ok for a first cycle? Thanks again

Are you sure it's test prop? That needs to be injected every other day, not twice a week.

An AI is much better on cycle, don't take Nolva. Buy Arimidex from ARR and run it at 0.25mg eod.

[panntastic]

Arrrrrrgh andropen 275 I hate that stuff used it for my first cycle and wow did it hurt!
Since British dragon hasn't been around for years I'm a suspecting that that stuff is either fake or old stock.
But as genuine BD stuff was rare my guess its ugl branded as BD.
Test prop ideally needs to be jabbed ed of eod at least for best results.

[dougal]

Right ok so ill pin eod then at 1ml? Can't get hold of arimidex and hcg is so expensive would nolvadex do the trick or am I better off waiting incase of gyno then taking nolvadex? Cheers

[MickeyKnox]

Hi guys just seen my guy got test prop he says 1ml Monday 1ml Thursday taking 10mg of nolvadex ed to minimise gyno then all for 10 weeks then week 12 take 100mg clomid and 40mg nolvadex first day then 50mg clomid and 20mg nolvadex ed for a month will this be ok for a first cycle? Thanks again

Stop listening to what "he" said. "He" knows nothing and is misinforming you.

Run your Prop EOD and begin your PCT 3 days after your last pin.

Nolva on cycle is not required unless you are known to be sensitive to Estrogen.

PCT include Clomid and Nolva.

Clomid 75/50/50/50 *First wk can be 100mg if using tabs.
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Right ok so ill pin eod then at 1ml? Can't get hold of arimidex and hcg is so expensive would nolvadex do the trick or am I better off waiting incase of gyno then taking nolvadex? Cheers

No. Nolva will NOT do the trick. And yes you can get a hold of Adex. Use the site sponsor for all your AI and SERM needs (and almost everything else except test and hCG ). AR-R .com

hCG is to included on cycle @ 250iu 2/wk if you want to prevent testicular atrophy.

DO NOT begin this cycle until you have EVERYTHING on hand first.

[dougal]

Hi guy thanks for advice taken it all in started Monday with 1ml of prop my arse is aching like mad today wasn't that bad yesterday just wondering if I should pin the other side tonight or just pin a little lower this time on the same side?

[MuscleInk]

Hi guy thanks for advice taken it all in started Monday with 1ml of prop my arse is aching like mad today wasn't that bad yesterday just wondering if I should pin the other side tonight or just pin a little lower this time on the same side?

Opposite side. You need to use more than just your glutes to inject!!!

[songdog]

Why did this have to be so hard? Hey Mickey you look good in RED

[MickeyKnox]

Try pinning your delts. They're fairly easy and straight forward. Also, check out this website for further instructions and photos - very helpful.

http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm

Thanks Dog!