Importance of AI during cycle

**mallmannm** · 12-06-2012, 02:26 PM

I was wandering if it was that important to reduce aromatization, and thus estrogen, in a cycle through the use of AIs. Would a begginer absolutely need to use AIs during their first cycle? Or could a SERM like tamoxifen be better suited just to prevent gynecomastia symptoms, although it doesn't stop the estrogen production? Best regards.

**austinite** · 12-06-2012, 02:28 PM

Doesnt matter if you're a beginner or expert. Estrogen will be elevated either way. You have to keep it under control. Not using an AI is a terrible idea.

**songdog** · 12-06-2012, 02:29 PM

Swifto has a sticky on this check it out!

**Bio-Active** · 12-06-2012, 07:53 PM

Tamox and clomid are for PCT. It is very important to have an AI on hand just in case sides come up!! At 20 make sure you do a lot of research for the next few years before considering the use of aas.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-06-2012, 08:03 PM

SERM, AI

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-AI-Definition

**JohnnyVegas** · 12-06-2012, 08:12 PM

I used to be a "AI on hand in case of sides" guy and it resulted in my blood pressure spiking so high that I had to stop a cycle once. I felt fine, but "feeling" is not a good gauge of health. How many people feel fine five minutes before a heart attack.

Now that I run an AI I was still surprised to find out my E2 was at 300 not too long ago. So, not only is it important to run an AI, but it is important to get blood work done (E2 test is $45 here) to make sure it is used correctly.

**MuscleInk** · 12-06-2012, 08:39 PM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

I used to be a "AI on hand in case of sides" guy and it resulted in my blood pressure spiking so high that I had to stop a cycle once. I felt fine, but "feeling" is not a good gauge of health. How many people feel fine five minutes before a heart attack.

Now that I run an AI I was still surprised to find out my E2 was at 300 not too long ago. So, not only is it important to run an AI, but it is important to get blood work done (E2 test is $45 here) to make sure it is used correctly.

Great advice by JV. A lot of young and new guys believe an AI is only needed to prevent or treat gyno. Increasing estrogen can cause so many problems far greater than man boobs and your vanity won't matter if you stroke out.

It just doesn't make sense to manipulate your testosterone and not control your estrogen.

**Bio-Active** · 12-06-2012, 08:41 PM

I agree 100 % but i also think if you are doing this responsibly you should be running labs before after and during cycle so you can determine the coorect amount of AI to run

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Great advice by JV. A lot of young and new guys believe an AI is only needed to prevent or treat gyno. Increasing estrogen can cause so many problems far greater than man boobs and your vanity won't matter if you stroke out.

It just doesn't make sense to manipulate your testosterone and not control your estrogen.

**MuscleInk** · 12-06-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by jim230027

I agree 100 % but i also think if you are doing this responsibly you should be running labs before after and during cycle so you can determine the coorect amount of AI to run

True. Pre, intra, and post labs are wise. Unfortunately finding a precise dose is tricky. Total doses, concentrations, compounds in a stack, bf, and other factors will affect AI efficacy. BW is a great idea but sometimes Finding the best AI dose is a challenge especially because everyone may have a different "sweet spot" or optimal range for E2.

**kelkel** · 12-06-2012, 08:59 PM

Not to mention that the majority of people just simply won't get the BW done. At a minimum it would be great to have pre-BW done so you at least know what levels you should return to......hopefully.

kel

**MuscleInk** · 12-06-2012, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Not to mention that the majority of people just simply won't get the BW done. At a minimum it would be great to have pre-BW done so you at least know what levels you should return to......hopefully.

kel

Yes sir.
Maybe they're afraid of needles?
Bahahahahaha!!!!!

**The Titan99** · 12-06-2012, 09:26 PM

I'm a recent convert to the AI bandwagon myself. In fact I've only been taking one for the last week. It takes a while to get the blood levels right, but then bloat goes down as well as BP and I also feel less sluggish on big doses of Test. I used to have ed problems on the AI as well as joint pain, but I think that's from doing too much. I'm lucky enough to suffer from no external estrogen sides such as ed, acne, gyno, etc so a standard dose of stane at 12.5 eod makes me feel better, drops all the bloat and water retention as well as lowers my BP to the point where I don't need medication anymore. It's definitely the healthy choice even if your not prone to gyno, acne etc.

**Lunk1** · 12-06-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by The Titan99

I'm a recent convert to the AI bandwagon myself. In fact I've only been taking one for the last week. It takes a while to get the blood levels right, but then bloat goes down as well as BP and I also feel less sluggish on big doses of Test. I used to have ed problems on the AI as well as joint pain, but I think that's from doing too much. I'm lucky enough to suffer from no external estrogen sides such as ed, acne, gyno, etc so a standard dose of stane at 12.5 eod makes me feel better, drops all the bloat and water retention as well as lowers my BP to the point where I don't need medication anymore. It's definitely the healthy choice even if your not prone to gyno, acne etc.

The clouds opened up to reveal the prophet...and his name was Titan lol

**The Titan99** · 12-06-2012, 09:50 PM

Testify!!!

**Ashop** · 12-06-2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by mallmannm

I was wandering if it was that important to reduce aromatization, and thus estrogen, in a cycle through the use of AIs. Would a begginer absolutely need to use AIs during their first cycle? Or could a SERM like tamoxifen be better suited just to prevent gynecomastia symptoms, although it doesn't stop the estrogen production? Best regards.

I think its a smart idea to at least use a small amount,,that way you can prevent any problems before they occur.

**The Titan99** · 12-07-2012, 01:12 AM

Originally Posted by ALIN

I think its a smart idea to at least use a small amount,,that way you can prevent any problems before they occur.

I agree. I think it's good to take a conservative dose and at least knock a chunk out of it rather than let it run wild, like I used to. I'm pretty new to this AI business but it seems like the perfect amount and way too much is a pretty fine line...