4th cycle help, which option is more effective?

[6Damn6Ram6]

Hello, new to this forum but not new to aas...

Age-26
Height-6 foot 3
weight- 248
bf%-18%

First cycle- test e 500mg/week for 12 weeks
Second cycle- test prop 100mg eod and EQ 400mg/week for 15 weeks with T bol kickstart(all that was available)
Third cycle- test prop 125mg eod and tren Ace 100mg EOD for 12 weeks with anadrol kickstart

I want to start my 4th cycle in a few weeks or so but want to know what will be more effective given my previous cycles.

OPTION A
Weeks 1-14 test cyp 750mg/week
Weeks 1-4 anadrol 50mg ed
Weeks 1-20 aromasin 12.5mg ED
Weeks 1-21 Caber .5mg/twice a week
Weeks 16-21 clomid 100/100/50/50/50

OPTION B
Weeks 1-12 test cyp 600mg/week
Weeks 1-10 deca 400mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-20 Aromasin 12.5mg ED
Weeks 1-20 Caber .5mg/ twice a week or prami .5mg ED
Weeks 14-20 clomid 100/100/50/50/50/50(longer PCT because of deca. Did the same for tren and recovered great)

Option C
Weeks 1-15 test cyp 600mg/week
Weeks 1-15 EQ 400mg/week
Weeks 1-4 Anadrol 50mg ED
Weeks 1-22 aromasin 12.5mg ED
Weeks 1-22 Caber .5mg ED
Weeks 18-22 clomid 100/100/50/50/50

Any thoughts gentlemen? Before i was only considering options B and C but after reading a resent thread about test only cycles even after you have done heavier compounds such as tren(like me) Ive decided to kind of ask that same question and include option A. Also, for the deca cycle i will not be using hcg. I didn't use on my tren cycle and i recovered great and hcg isn't cheap. The only reason im not using tren again, even though i REALLY REALLY want to, is because people have been scaring me about trens harshness on the hair line saying its the worst. Also, my PCT is always a little longer then usual for peaceof mind....and its been working great. Usually have "the boys" back in a month even after tren. Any thoughts? Your opinions will be GREATLY appreciated. Thank you

[Lunk1]

What are your goals?

All of these should have Nolva added to the PCT

[6Damn6Ram6]

What are your goals?

All of these should have Nolva added to the PCT

Even if im using aromasin? Or stop the aromasin during pct and use nolva instead? The reason i wanted to ditch the nolva is because i heard its what aggrevated my prolactin issues. I have no evidence to back it up, it just started after taking tren and then using nolva. Prami took care of it though.

And my goals are solid muscle, not much bloat. I typically strength train as appose to body build when on a cycle. Low reps, heavy ass weight

[Lunk1]

Stop the Aro before PCT..Nolva is often used in gyno reversal so no...it did not cause your gyno. Some belief that Nolva can have negetive effects on the AI but thats why you drop the AI before PCT!

Optin A or B is fine...C sucks cause so does EQ.
The all need a bit of tweaking though...for example there is no need for PRL control in option A as there is no 19nor!
I'm going to jump in the shower but I will edit the cycles to reflect a better plan when I am done!

[6Damn6Ram6]

Stop the Aro before PCT..Nolva is often used in gyno reversal so no...it did not cause your gyno. Some belief that Nolva can have negetive effects on the AI but thats why you drop the AI before PCT!

Optin A or B is fine...C sucks cause so does EQ.
The all need a bit of tweaking though...for example there is no need for PRL control in option A as there is no 19nor!
I'm going to jump in the shower but I will edit the cycles to reflect a better plan when I am done!

Thank you my man =). And estro wont aggravate prolactin? I lactated from the tren so prolactin scares the hell out of me =/

[Lunk1]

Yes...high E2 can be associated with PRL.

If you have expereinced PRL sides already, were you using an AI on cycle or any PRL control?

[6Damn6Ram6]

just an ai, no prl control. Took prami when little tiny beads of liquid came out of my nips when i squeezed them hard enough. Prami fixed it QUICK

[6Damn6Ram6]

Will i get good gains on that test only cycle after taking compounds such as tren before? Because the test only is looking most appealing to me right now.

[Lunk1]

Will i get good gains on that test only cycle after taking compounds such as tren before? Because the test only is looking most appealing to me right now.

Absolutely...as a matter of fact I will be switching to a test only cycle after several tren cycles. Just because you stacked compounds does not mean that a good test cycle will have poor effects.

I think if I were in your position and knew I was prl sesetive I would just run test but you def. want the AI throughout

[6Damn6Ram6]

Thank you for giving me peace of mind. Do you have any experince with tbol by the way? Im going to run anadrol for the first 4 weeks and i want another oral on the last 4 weeks. I cant afford anavar and i heard tbol is the poor mans anavar...that 50mg ed is good to harden up and maybe get some extra strength gains.

[Lunk1]

Yes...I like Tbol but have only used it as a kickstart. I dont like its comparison to Var, I prefer to consider it a good alt. to dbol that allows for cleaner more sustainable gains.

Abombs I refuse to mess with...I like my liver

[Turkish Juicer]

My first 4 cycles were all Test only cycles and they all delivered great results in every aspect.

I think you have clearly rushed in with regards to introducing secondary compounds into your cycles. Don't hate me for breaking this down for you but you had absolutely no business to introducing so many different compounds to your cycles so early into your personal history of AAS use.

Take this as a critique if you may, but both your cycle history and cycle proposals clearly point out to a flaw in logic regarding the process of designing cycles, which I believe is rooted in lack of full knowledge of these compounds. For instance, why would you ''kick start'' a cycle with an oral that already consists of 2 short-estered injectables, as you did in your 3rd cycle? Most users, including myself, feel short-estered injectables such as Test Prop and Tren Ace into the second week of the cycle, which is pretty quick for anyone IMO. Moreover, there is no point in running 12 week cycles with short-estered injectables as you did in your 3rd cycle, since various human studies regarding AAS use suggest that 90% of the gains are made in the first 6 weeks and that there is still some room for gains for another 2 weeks. Thus, 8 week cycles where short-estered injectables and/or orals are employed are certainly the most ideal cycles, not to mention you are only putting further stress onto your body when you prolong the cycle, which is not at all a very clever practice.

Your suggestions for a next cycle, namely Option A, B and C are unnecessarily complex and bare many risks from several aspects. My humble suggestion would be an 8 week cycle with 2 compounds at most, both short-estered injectables, and preferably no Tren at this point. Keep estrogen under control by employing either Arimidex or Aromasin, make sure HCG Pregnyl is there in order to prevent testicular shut down, a solid PCT that starts only 3 days after last injection of the cycle which should consist of both Nolvadex and Clomid.

... and it is true that you can still run a Test only cycle, regardless of having run multiple compound cycles before, this is something I have done in the past and will probably do again in the future, I still get amazing results because I know my body and maybe more importantly, I know what I am doing when I cycle.

Here is a suggestion for a 4th cycle, which is a Test only cycle:

Week 1-8: Test Prop 200mg EOD (750mg EW) OR Test Prop 100mg ED (700mg EW)
OCT: HCG Pregnyl 250iu E3D, Arimidex 0.25mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5mg ED, 80-100mg Baby Asprin ED (for thinning your blood)
PCT: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50

If you insist on adding a secondary compound to this cycle, I strongly recommend an injectable DHT (Winstrol or Masteron since they are both short-estered and suitable for 8 week cycles. Anavar dosed at 80mg ED if you would kill for an oral for some reason).

Lastly, one should realize that bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint; hence should be the approach to AAS use which accompanies it.

Good luck!

TJ

[stpete]

I like option B. Only i would do this:

Test 1-14 600mgs EW
Deca 1-12 500-600mgs EW

And like Lunk said regarding AI and PCT.

Good Luck

[6Damn6Ram6]

My first 4 cycles were all Test only cycles and they all delivered great results in every aspect.

I think you have clearly rushed in with regards to introducing secondary compounds into your cycles. Don't hate me for breaking this down for you but you had absolutely no business to introducing so many different compounds to your cycles so early into your personal history of AAS use.

Take this as a critique if you may, but both your cycle history and cycle proposals clearly point out to a flaw in logic regarding the process of designing cycles, which I believe is rooted in lack of full knowledge of these compounds. For instance, why would you ''kick start'' a cycle with an oral that already consists of 2 short-estered injectables, as you did in your 3rd cycle? Most users, including myself, feel short-estered injectables such as Test Prop and Tren Ace into the second week of the cycle, which is pretty quick for anyone IMO. Moreover, there is no point in running 12 week cycles with short-estered injectables as you did in your 3rd cycle, since various human studies regarding AAS use suggest that 90% of the gains are made in the first 6 weeks and that there is still some room for gains for another 2 weeks. Thus, 8 week cycles where short-estered injectables and/or orals are employed are certainly the most ideal cycles, not to mention you are only putting further stress onto your body when you prolong the cycle, which is not at all a very clever practice.

Your suggestions for a next cycle, namely Option A, B and C are unnecessarily complex and bare many risks from several aspects. My humble suggestion would be an 8 week cycle with 2 compounds at most, both short-estered injectables, and preferably no Tren at this point. Keep estrogen under control by employing either Arimidex or Aromasin, make sure HCG Pregnyl is there in order to prevent testicular shut down, a solid PCT that starts only 3 days after last injection of the cycle which should consist of both Nolvadex and Clomid.

... and it is true that you can still run a Test only cycle, regardless of having run multiple compound cycles before, this is something I have done in the past and will probably do again in the future, I still get amazing results because I know my body and maybe more importantly, I know what I am doing when I cycle.

Here is a suggestion for a 4th cycle, which is a Test only cycle:

Week 1-8: Test Prop 200mg EOD (750mg EW) OR Test Prop 100mg ED (700mg EW)
OCT: HCG Pregnyl 250iu E3D, Arimidex 0.25mg EOD or Aromasin 12.5mg ED, 80-100mg Baby Asprin ED (for thinning your blood)
PCT: Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 Clomid 100/100/50/50

If you insist on adding a secondary compound to this cycle, I strongly recommend an injectable DHT (Winstrol or Masteron since they are both short-estered and suitable for 8 week cycles. Anavar dosed at 80mg ED if you would kill for an oral for some reason).

Lastly, one should realize that bodybuilding is a marathon, not a sprint; hence should be the approach to AAS use which accompanies it.

Good luck!

TJ

I FULLY agree with you my man. And the reason included a kickstarter with my short esters is simply because i was an impatient youngin with cash to spare at the time haha. Now im older, a little wiser, and a little broker lol.

[The Bear 79]

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[panntastic]

I don't know if its me but option A is there really any need for caber especially alongside aromasin?

[OnTheSauce]

Yes...I like Tbol but have only used it as a kickstart. I dont like its comparison to Var, I prefer to consider it a good alt. to dbol that allows for cleaner more sustainable gains.

Abombs I refuse to mess with...I like my liver

But bombs work sooooo well lol. <3

[6Damn6Ram6]

I don't know if its me but option A is there really any need for caber especially alongside aromasin?

Ive never run test that high and didnt know if the estrogen would aggravate my prolactin issues

[Perseverance1]

Option B but you gotta work on the PCT, read the sticky about PCT and HCG. What's up with including caber in all your cycles? Are you just a fan or?

Good luck!