Would like some feedback from experience rather than just sources...

[boxingfan30]

Ok, i'm planning on doing a cycle of test only. I am wondering if I should do the suggested 500 mg's a week or a bit lower... 300-400 maybe?

Anyway, obviously the biased medical sites often will use their scare tactics to try to make test out to be the devil or something.

So let me ask this. Is test actually safer to use than say an oral anabolic? I know it can cause prostate growth, acne, hair growth on the body/hair loss on the head, aggressiveness, etc.

The question is, how safe is test by itself? All of the unbiased stuff i've read has said that the results are an increase in mass (even without working out), more bone density, better memory, restful sleep, etc etc. From personal experience though what is everyone's opinion?

BTW in case anyone asks my stats:

5'9
165-170 lbs
bf is probably around 15% right now ... it went up as my eating hasn't been as good as of late, which is going to change.

[panntastic]

How old are you buddy?
What is your aim from this cycle?
Generally speaking a first cycle would be
10-12 weeks test e / cyp @ 500mg week broken down into 2 shots.
Adex thought the cycle @ .25mg eod
Standard pct 14 days after last injection.

Orals only in my opinion are not the way to go.
I know people on here say its ok but for me test is needed every cycle.

[The Bear 79]

How old are you?

Ijectables bypass the liver unlike orals, so I guess you could say injectables are "safer"

[Lunk1]

If all precautions are taken I would take test above all else for being "safe". The diff. between 400 and 500 is barely notice. 500 is a nice beginning dose.

Makes me fell 20 instead of 40!

[stpete]

Yes, test is the best. No way you can wrong!

[MickeyKnox]

OP is 33 years old.

Agree with above. Oral only is not recommended - test ONLY first cycle.

Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

[Armykid93]

OP is 33 years old.

Agree with above. Oral only is not recommended - test ONLY first cycle.

Most Common Beginners Cycles

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread....#.UJZv62fX_fs

Lol you must be good at posting this link by now

[MickeyKnox]

Im certainly getting lots of experience posting it..lol

[boxingfan30]

How old are you buddy?
What is your aim from this cycle?
Generally speaking a first cycle would be
10-12 weeks test e / cyp @ 500mg week broken down into 2 shots.
Adex thought the cycle @ .25mg eod
Standard pct 14 days after last injection.

Orals only in my opinion are not the way to go.
I know people on here say its ok but for me test is needed every cycle.

oh I thought I put my age... i'm 34 man... my goals are not to be "big" a solid 170 or so would be fine, i'd like to try to cut at the same time, but I know while that's possible that it's not exactly easy and the diet must be RIGHT on target. I don't want to put on so much weight that I can't maintain it.

[boxingfan30]

Lol you must be good at posting this link by now

it's my fault... i've asked and asked about test and different cycle ideas. MI gave the best advice that most of you here have backed up, i'm just very particular about what I do.

[MickeyKnox]

it's my fault... i've asked and asked about test and different cycle ideas. MI gave the best advice that most of you here have backed up, i'm just very particular about what I do.

No worries mate. Continue reading and researching until your satisfied...then read some more.

[Wes201]

oh I thought I put my age... i'm 34 man... my goals are not to be "big" a solid 170 or so would be fine, i'd like to try to cut at the same time, but I know while that's possible that it's not exactly easy and the diet must be RIGHT on target. I don't want to put on so much weight that I can't maintain it.

Test can be a "jack of all trades" If you want it to be a shredder, it can help you with that, if you want to use it as bulker, you can also do that as well. Its just a matter of what direction you gear your diet and your training strategy.
Durring a 12 week test e cycle at 250mg 2x wk. I focussed for the first 6 weeks on strickly bulking, eating 6-8 times a day and lifting heavy weights, basically going to my max on everything. And i blew up like crazy!!! Now for the 2nd half of the cycle, i'm gonna focuss on shredding. Lighter wieghts and more reps at the gym, plus will be adding in more cardio, and i will decrease my calorie intake significantly for the last 6 weeks

[boxingfan30]

I'm not looking for the absolute max... what the biggest issue for me is I am limited to doing push-ups only closer hand position because of a bad shoulder... I can do dips, they haven't bothered me yet. I do those 2 exercises in a manner in which it makes chest sore for at least 3 days, so I guess it's doing something, and it has grown. My arm work is fine there. My back... again because of the shoulder I am stuck with neutral hand position pull ups for right now, so I don't know how much the test would help. I can still work legs and abs. I prefer the slimmer muscular look, but for my size I want to be able to do as much as possible if that makes any sense. I know that some may suggest that I get the shoulder fixed, however it's a very involved procedure, and one that I would rather not risk right now as the Doctor has told me that they will have to pretty much reconstruct the entire shoulder area because of a misshapen socket. It has about an 80% success rate atm and I don't want to wind up being one of the 20% either. I also know I won't be able to ever do as much weight as I could before. Surgery right now is absolutely out of the question for me. We're having a baby in 7 months and I need to be able to work and make enough money for my Wife to stay home for 2-3 months... so while I can move, I gotta move if you know what I mean.

I've started doing very light exercises ... no overhead presses. Only side and front raises just to try to very slowly put some mass back on the delts. I also went to PT for a while and was taught how to strengthen the rotator cuff, so I do that as well. I will VERY slowly move up in weight until the shoulder is in a little better shape. I will probably run some sort of test or something after I do wind up getting it fixed to try to help maintain what I have put on though.

[sixfootseven]

Have you tried db bench press keeping your arms in close like you do your pushups?

[Metalject]

Ok, i'm planning on doing a cycle of test only. I am wondering if I should do the suggested 500 mg's a week or a bit lower... 300-400 maybe?

Anyway, obviously the biased medical sites often will use their scare tactics to try to make test out to be the devil or something.

So let me ask this. Is test actually safer to use than say an oral anabolic? I know it can cause prostate growth, acne, hair growth on the body/hair loss on the head, aggressiveness, etc.

The question is, how safe is test by itself? All of the unbiased stuff i've read has said that the results are an increase in mass (even without working out), more bone density, better memory, restful sleep, etc etc. From personal experience though what is everyone's opinion?

BTW in case anyone asks my stats:

5'9
165-170 lbs
bf is probably around 15% right now ... it went up as my eating hasn't been as good as of late, which is going to change.

When we consider the possible totality of side effects that can occur due to the use of a particular steroid, we also have to consider the probability of such effects...both possible and probability have to be considered. When we consider those things, the safest steroid out there is probably Anavar. Think about it...Anavar cannot cause estrogenic or progestin related side effects, and while androgenic effects are possible the probability is lower with Anavar than with testosterone. Cholesterol wise, Anavar is probably a little harsher, but its much less harsh on testosterone suppression. Then when you consider the hepatotoxicity, while testosterone isn't hepatotoxic at all, Anavar is so mild it can easily be used without any significant liver stress.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking testosterone or anything like that or telling you to just get a bunch of Anavar. After all, the body is pretty well-accustomed to testosterone, so that gives it an edge in that regard. But when we consider the totality of possible side effects testosterone carries more when used in supraphysiological doses.

One more thing, you mentioned a few side effects in your post like acne, hair growth, etc. While these might be annoying you really can't put them into a dangerous category or anything. I always laugh when anti-steroid people try to use acne as a point to petrify people. Also, aggressiveness, it shouldn't make that big of a difference. Testosterone cannot alter your personality, take away from your ability to distinguish right from wrong or make you do things you wouldn't do otherwise. If you're using anabolic steroids, I don't care which steroid we're talking about, if you can't control your behavior you have other things in your life you need to examine. Last point, always remember aggression in of itself is not a bad thing. What we do with aggression is what makes it right or wrong.

[Armykid93]

it's my fault... i've asked and asked about test and different cycle ideas. MI gave the best advice that most of you here have backed up, i'm just very particular about what I do.

Your fine brotha. I'm still learning as well.

[boxingfan30]

When we consider the possible totality of side effects that can occur due to the use of a particular steroid, we also have to consider the probability of such effects...both possible and probability have to be considered. When we consider those things, the safest steroid out there is probably Anavar. Think about it...Anavar cannot cause estrogenic or progestin related side effects, and while androgenic effects are possible the probability is lower with Anavar than with testosterone. Cholesterol wise, Anavar is probably a little harsher, but its much less harsh on testosterone suppression. Then when you consider the hepatotoxicity, while testosterone isn't hepatotoxic at all, Anavar is so mild it can easily be used without any significant liver stress.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking testosterone or anything like that or telling you to just get a bunch of Anavar. After all, the body is pretty well-accustomed to testosterone, so that gives it an edge in that regard. But when we consider the totality of possible side effects testosterone carries more when used in supraphysiological doses.

One more thing, you mentioned a few side effects in your post like acne, hair growth, etc. While these might be annoying you really can't put them into a dangerous category or anything. I always laugh when anti-steroid people try to use acne as a point to petrify people. Also, aggressiveness, it shouldn't make that big of a difference. Testosterone cannot alter your personality, take away from your ability to distinguish right from wrong or make you do things you wouldn't do otherwise. If you're using anabolic steroids, I don't care which steroid we're talking about, if you can't control your behavior you have other things in your life you need to examine. Last point, always remember aggression in of itself is not a bad thing. What we do with aggression is what makes it right or wrong.

Thanks for your points. I had considered a var only cycle, but most here say at least a small dose of test should also be used to avoid suppression.

[warmouth]

Thanks for your points. I had considered a var only cycle, but most here say at least a small dose of test should also be used to avoid suppression.

Great post Metalject. Boxingfan, a low dose of test will cause supression. Not only supression, but a total shutdown. This is why PCT should be ready and on hand even before you start your cycle. Your body will stop producing testosterone once it thinks it is "over-producing" and it will be shut down until you finish up your cycle. PCT cant guarantee a 100% recovery, but it is as important as the cycle itself because you need the help of rebooting your HPTA. Good luck!

[boxingfan30]

Great post Metalject. Boxingfan, a low dose of test will cause supression. Not only supression, but a total shutdown. This is why PCT should be ready and on hand even before you start your cycle. Your body will stop producing testosterone once it thinks it is "over-producing" and it will be shut down until you finish up your cycle. PCT cant guarantee a 100% recovery, but it is as important as the cycle itself because you need the help of rebooting your HPTA. Good luck!

You mean Var will cause shutdown? Test will not correct? I know the PCT is is very very important. I will get everything at once when I decide to take the plunge (no pun intended lol). It's actually more about money for me. I don't have an extra 400-500.00 for all of the stuff I would need to do this right now.

[Lunk1]

You mean Var will cause shutdown? Test will not correct? I know the PCT is is very very important. I will get everything at once when I decide to take the plunge (no pun intended lol). It's actually more about money for me. I don't have an extra 400-500.00 for all of the stuff I would need to do this right now.

Var will cause either suppression or shutdown depending on dose..test shuts you down, that why your adding back test.

[boxingfan30]

Var will cause either suppression or shutdown depending on dose..test shuts you down, that why your adding back test.

ok yeah, I get that... I got his post a bit confused there.