advice/help with test

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 04:04 PM

First time poster please forgive anything i dont say properly. I am 38 male 194 pounds exercise 5 times a week along with boxing and grappleing 3 times a week. My workouts are crossfit-esque. I currently have 7% body fat. 14 weeks ago i started useing test. I injected 250 mg once a week for 9 weeks. What i hoped to gain waz quicker recovery from hard workouts as well as some strength. Also i felt run down all the time after turning 38. This plan was given to me by a friend who suggested a low dosage since i wasnt trying to get bigger. I had what i considered success. I felt better cut about 3% in body fat and got a little stronger. I took a month off and took the estrogen blockers my friend reccomended. This week i was about to do the cycle again but was told by another guy at my gym that it was pointless. He told me my dosage was way to low to gain anytbing and that i wojldnt be able to replicate the results again. He sugvested i double the dosage and the frequency to twice a week. Understanding my goals. Ould anyone clarify this for me?

**Lunk1** · 12-16-2012, 04:20 PM

How long was your cycle?
How long have you been off?
How did you check your BF% (7% is very low...4% is pushing death!)
Did you use anything for a PCT?

By the way...the friend that helped you 1st need slapped (I will get into why after you anser my questions please)

**warmouth** · 12-16-2012, 04:25 PM

Your BF seems a bit to low for your age especially. 7% is very low, even for some competitors. 250mgs a week is a bit too little IMO, as it will more likely than not, cause total shutdown and basically just replace what you are naturally producing, albeit a little more than naturally. I would still say 500mgs weekly for a beginner is optimal, but I used 400ish my first time and had great results. As far as you are concerned with your size, that is dependant on your diet. If you dont want to add weight, just recover quicker, adjust your diet to your needs. You dont want to rely onAAS to fulfill your goals, only enhance what you are already doing. Good luck and ask all questions that may concern you.

**MuscleInk** · 12-16-2012, 04:26 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

How long was your cycle?
How long have you been off?
How did you check your BF% (7% is very low...4% is pushing death!)
Did you use anything for a PCT?

By the way...the friend that helped you 1st need slapped (I will get into why after you anser my questions please)

4%bf!?! Wow. I gotta see pictures of THAT!
Where you taking the AIs during your injections or after you completed all of them at the end?

What is your end goal here?

These and the questions Lunk asked are needed to provide you with a correct plan.

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 04:31 PM

9 weeks. Have been off 4. I use this hand held ele tronic thing to tdst the bf. I took a pct for 4 weeks starting the se ond week after i finished

**Bio-Active** · 12-16-2012, 04:35 PM

So have you been done with pct for 4 weeks? What exactly was your pct and Dose(s)?

**Lunk1** · 12-16-2012, 04:38 PM

Assuming this was test E vs Test prop, you should have done this for 12 weeks vs 9 (oh well)

Time off should be time on + PCT = time off so you are looking at approx. 15 weeks you should be off!

What was your PCT?

Can you post a faceless body pic for BF% estimate...no way you were 4% and 7% is not often achieved by many!

**MuscleInk** · 12-16-2012, 04:38 PM

Quicksand,

Can you lay out your full cycle details for the guys so we can u set stand what you took and for how long?

Thanks

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 04:42 PM

My end goal would just be to recover quicker and gain a little strength.

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 04:42 PM

I have been done with the pct for about a week

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 04:48 PM

i see the confusion about the 4% bf. What i meant to type was im around 7 now which meant i dropped abohg 3% because i was around 10 when i started. The pct was an estrogen blocker and tribulus. Thanks alot for correcting this. It looks like i was about to make some major mistakes. I thkught the pct was only for a month ish

**Pitching phenom** · 12-16-2012, 04:50 PM

Anyone know where I can buy some test e preferably oral or does it just come in injectable?

**Bio-Active** · 12-16-2012, 04:51 PM

How long was your PCT and exactly what compound(s) and dose(s)?

**Lunk1** · 12-16-2012, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by quicksand

i see the confusion about the 4% bf. What i meant to type was im around 7 now which meant i dropped abohg 3% because i was around 10 when i started. The pct was an estrogen blocker and tribulus. Thanks alot for correcting this. It looks like i was about to make some major mistakes. I thkught the pct was only for a month ish

7% is still very low...would love to see a pic for assesment if possible. Your PCT was NOT a PCT.....

You need to take a good amount of time off to recover and I would highly suggest blood work before starting again.

Please read completely this link!!! It will answer MOST of your ???

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cles-Look-here

**MuscleInk** · 12-16-2012, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by Pitching phenom

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Pitching Phenom. Edit your post. Read our rules. We do not discuss or ask for sources. It is against our rules.

Thank you.

**warmouth** · 12-16-2012, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by Pitching phenom

Anyone know where I can buy some test e preferably oral or does it just come in injectable?

Please edit post and start your own thread. No sourcing, as you may run the chance of getting suspended or worse.

**quicksand** · 12-16-2012, 06:01 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

Your BF seems a bit to low for your age especially. 7% is very low, even for some competitors. 250mgs a week is a bit too little IMO, as it will more likely than not, cause total shutdown and basically just replace what you are naturally producing, albeit a little more than naturally. I would still say 500mgs weekly for a beginner is optimal, but I used 400ish my first time and had great results. As far as you are concerned with your size, that is dependant on your diet. If you dont want to add weight, just recover quicker, adjust your diet to your needs. You dont want to rely onAAS to fulfill your goals, only enhance what you are already doing. Good luck and ask all questions that may concern you.

So does that mean my initial su cess the fkrst 9 weeks was just in my head. Maybe i trained harder because i believed? It sounds like i didnt gain any extra test if im reading what your saying correctly

**Far from massive** · 12-16-2012, 06:07 PM

To the OP those handheld BF testers are pretty much useless. I tested at 27% in the picture in my avi, bod pod was 15 caliper was 12.5. The results are all over the board, you are a lot better off having someone with experience test you using calipers, of course another excellent method is a bod pod.

**Bio-Active** · 12-16-2012, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by Far from massive

To the OP those handheld BF testers are pretty much useless. I tested at 27% in the picture in my avi, bod pod was 15 caliper was 12.5. The results are all over the board, you are a lot better off having someone with experience test you using calipers, of course another excellent method is a bod pod.

Agreed My avi picture is about 9-10%