Anavar vs. winstrol

[Pitching phenom]

Is there a difference between winstrol and anavar. I know they are both cutting steroids, but anavar isn't as hard on your joints as much as winstrol. Also I found out that winstrol is good for fast twitch muscle fibers, and that is why pitchers use them because it's helps them pitch faster. Does anavar do the same thing?

[Wes201]

Is there a difference between winstrol and anavar. I know they are both cutting steroids, but anavar isn't as hard on your joints as much as winstrol. Also I found out that winstrol is good for fast twitch muscle fibers, and that is why pitchers use them because it's helps them pitch faster. Does anavar do the same thing?

Post up your stats - age, weight, height, bf%, cycle experience (if any) bbing experience and goals, (just what are you trying to achieve out of aas usage)
you will most likely get a better response

[Squats33]

Is there a difference between winstrol and anavar. I know they are both cutting steroids, but anavar isn't as hard on your joints as much as winstrol. Also I found out that winstrol is good for fast twitch muscle fibers, and that is why pitchers use them because it's helps them pitch faster. Does anavar do the same thing?

You wanna throw harder? Long toss a football field. Lift weights. Eat proper. Get your rotator cuff band work in. Work on your core. Medicine ball tosses.

[Pitching phenom]

I'm 18 ,6"1, 196 playing division 1 baseball. My teammate told me about some guy in his juco who took winstrol and went from 83-92 on his fastball in 4 weeks and the only reason why he ****ed up his arm was because he long tossed everyday all day. Eventually he got his arm back a week later and transferred to Indiana university. But he told me about winstrol and said I should take it before I play in the cal Ripken collegiate summer league so I really get the attention of MLB scouts. If I were to take one I'd use anavar cuz I haven't heard anything about it ****ing up your joints, and my testing all ready happened so I would be safe taking it.

[Pitching phenom]

My teammate from juco said that his teammate juco felt like he had a brand new arm when he took winstrol and just threw so much and that's why his joints in his arm were ****ed up. He said if I were to take winstrol follow my throwing and lifting program and I should be just fine taking it.

[Pitching phenom]

I just want to hear Honest feed back from a knowledgeable people about this stuff before I consider taking anavar.

[MuscleInk]

My teammate from juco said that his teammate juco felt like he had a brand new arm when he took winstrol and just threw so much and that's why his joints in his arm were ****ed up. He said if I were to take winstrol follow my throwing and lifting program and I should be just fine taking it.

I'm not a fan of winni. I've used it twice and both times caused a lot of dryness and joint problems. I personally wouldn't recommend it based on my experiences but others may have different opinions. I really believe proper nutrition and strength training are keys for your success. Just because other guys have used it for baseball successfully isn't a guarantee you will accrue similar benefits.

[Ashop]

Is there a difference between winstrol and anavar. I know they are both cutting steroids, but anavar isn't as hard on your joints as much as winstrol. Also I found out that winstrol is good for fast twitch muscle fibers, and that is why pitchers use them because it's helps them pitch faster. Does anavar do the same thing?

At 18 all you need is DIET,,TRAINING,,SLEEP,,AND DEDICATION!!!! Your natural hormones are in high gear right now. Use them to your advantage now.

[Bio-Active]

At 18 all you need is food. I am not a fan of winnie either. Here of lots of people getting hurt when on it. Hard on joints and tendons.

[Pitching phenom]

Would anavar be the better option because it's not hard on your joints? I've read it's safe as an oral steroid along with milk thistle for liver protection, and it's a good alternative for winstrol.

[MuscleInk]

Would anavar be the better option because it's not hard on your joints? I've read it's safe as an oral steroid along with milk thistle for liver protection, and it's a good alternative for winstrol.

The benefits of milk thistle are over exaggerated. It's nothing more than an antioxidant supplement for the most part.

The problem with Anavar only is that really low doses won't provide any significant results and with increasing doses you will begin to suppress your natural testosterone and that's not a good idea.

[AnabolicDoc]

Something to think about is that bw the ages of 17 and 21, there is often a growth in height ranging from 0.75 to 1.5 inches. AAS use at your age may prevent that.

Also, taking an oral AAS without testosterone supplementation will likely decrease your own levels - many will quickly point out that it is dose dependent.. Subsequently, you may feel worse and can potentially have a performance diminishing situation when your original goal was to enhance.

[Pitching phenom]

So taking it alone will suppress my natural testosterone? What if I stack it with test e. I was thinking of doing a 6 week 30 mg cycle of anavar alone... So should I stack it with test e?

[AnabolicDoc]

Yes it will likely suppress your own test production.

I feel really uncomfortable with the idea of an 18-yr old taking AAS and contributing to it. At the same time, if you insist on doing so, I'd like to help if I can help you from making mistakes. If you insist on doing so, please go to www.steroid.com and read some of the introductory materials and sample lists of beginner cycles. It's really s nice quick read.

[MuscleInk]

So taking it alone will suppress my natural testosterone? What if I stack it with test e. I was thinking of doing a 6 week 30 mg cycle of anavar alone... So should I stack it with test e?

Read up on the information about first cycles and cycles for the young. You started asking about winni vs var. now your talking about a stack of test and var. you should have a better understanding of how these compounds work, the risks, side effects, etc.

Moreover, if your nutrition is weak, your results will be very poor.

[AnabolicDoc]

Yes it will likely suppress your own test levels.

I wasn't suggesting that you take test as well. I was suggesting that you consider delaying your endeavor into AAS.

I agree that you do some reading first. Try steroid.com - I have always been a fan of the materials there, although I may be new to the forum. There is great info there and it's a nice read.

[Wes201]

So taking it alone will suppress my natural testosterone? What if I stack it with test e. I was thinking of doing a 6 week 30 mg cycle of anavar alone... So should I stack it with test e?

Stacking it test will also supress, actually "shut down" your natural testosterone production. By introducing testosterone into your body via outside channels, injecting (intramuscular), topical patches or creams, oral, or whatever will slow and eventually stop your natural production. To keep it simple, basically your body will realize that there is an over abundance of testosterone comming in and therefore will see no need to keep producing since it is recieving via other channels. The problem with getting involved with this game and these substances at your young age is that youre body is still not fully grown and fully developed yet, and im not just talking about your height. Because your body has not yet completly finished its growth process, you run the risk of permenantly screwing yourself up as there is the possibility of never recovering your natural testosterone production again and will most definatly lead to life long complications. It is for this reason alonf with many other reasons that it is highly recommended that 25 is the absolute youngest age that anyone should ever consider introducing any type of aas into there body

There is a risk to reward, a gamble to be taken into consideration with every aas out there. Winny has pretty high liver toxicity and is also a dht dirivitive. If MPB (male pattern baldness) runs in your family (is your father or either of your grandfather bald).....Winny will most definatly aggrivate that and if genetically you may have been predispositioned to begin balding at around 30, guess what? Winny will cause it start falling out NOW!

[Pitching phenom]

I was asking if I should take the test with anavar so my natural testosterone doesn't suppress, but I actually looked it up and said anavar is very mild in testosterone suppression. Suppression depends on your dosage.

[Pitching phenom]

Most anabolic steroids carry with them the possibility of many adverse side-effects. It is important to keep in mind these side-effects are only possible, they are by no means guaranteed or assured and are largely avoidable when used responsibly. However, negative side-effects can occur when steroids are abused and even in some who are sensitive even though they use responsibly they may fall prey to negative outcomes; the same can be said of Aspirin. While many anabolic steroids carry vast possible negative side-effects such as estrogenic related due to aromatization, Anavar does not possess these traits. Anavar does not aromatize making common side-effects such as Gynecomastia little to no concern; Further, as most steroids are very suppressive to natural testosterone production Anavar is very mild in this regard, so mild that one could take Anavar and still produce some natural testosterone. However, some suppression will still exist and the extent will largely be dose dependent.

I got this info from a website steroidabuse.com/profiles/anavar.

[MuscleInk]

I was asking if I should take the test with anavar so my natural testosterone doesn't suppress, but I actually looked it up and said anavar is very mild in testosterone suppression. Suppression depends on your dosage.

Yes, dose dependent. But as indicated earlier, if your dose is low, you won't see any measurable changes. Increasing doses will have added benefits but at the risk of suppressing your natural testosterone. Shutting down or even mildly suppressing your natural testosterone will have consequences. You've been given great advice to work on diet and exercise. Don't assume you can run a low dose of var and achieve everything you want with no risks.

You don't just jump into steroids. Messing with your naturally producing steroids is serious and you need to take the time to understand what is really involved. I respect your collegiate aspirations but listen to the advice offered and take them time to read and learn.

[MuscleInk]

Most anabolic steroids carry with them the possibility of many adverse side-effects. It is important to keep in mind these side-effects are only possible, they are by no means guaranteed or assured and are largely avoidable when used responsibly. However, negative side-effects can occur when steroids are abused and even in some who are sensitive even though they use responsibly they may fall prey to negative outcomes; the same can be said of Aspirin. While many anabolic steroids carry vast possible negative side-effects such as estrogenic related due to aromatization, Anavar does not possess these traits. Anavar does not aromatize making common side-effects such as Gynecomastia little to no concern; Further, as most steroids are very suppressive to natural testosterone production Anavar is very mild in this regard, so mild that one could take Anavar and still produce some natural testosterone. However, some suppression will still exist and the extent will largely be dose dependent.

I got this info from a website steroidabuse.com/profiles/anavar.

While much of this is accurate in its one respect, I would hardly compare the risks of aspirin to those of endocrine manipulation. Yes, among the compounds discussed and anabolics in general, Anavar is relatively mild. Free from risks? No? How will you respond? No one can tell you with any uncertainty but since you seem determined to purse this, be prepared to accept full responsibility if it goes wrong. You've been given great advice to focus on diet and exercise but you seem to deflect this.

The majority of people here aren't opposed to steroids. They are opposed to using them ignorantly. There are plenty of threads here from guys your age who didn't listen and wished try had.

[Pitching phenom]

I know you have the right intentions for me, but my goal is to get drafted my junior year. The problem isn't my talent or work ethic. It's that so many players use steroids and have such a big advantage over guys like me who do it cleanly with protein powder and creatine. I guarantee u 80% of players in the MLB use roids. Guys become freaks off this stuff. I'm so curious about taking them because I wonder how good I can be if I took them. I got this one shot and I want to make sure I get it. That's why Im curious about them

[Wes201]

You are correct in your research findings and your efforts to sek out the information is commendable. As far as your statement about "no guarantees" either way, it is like i said, there is a gamble and a risk to reward. Your buddy may have done this and came out of it with no consequenses, at least that he is aware of so far, that does not guarantee that this will be true for you. Yes there are responsible ways to keep negative estrogenic side effects in check with such aas like testosterone and this is not nearly as much of an issue with var, niether is complete shut down, but suppression will most definatley occur, and please dont overlook the fact that there is additional dangers that come into the picture in your situation because of your age and yor body not being fully devolped. You need to do more research on HPTA and endocrine system. You are gambling that you may never recover your full natural production again, possible seeling of growth plates and other issues. Yes dosage has a lot to do with much of this, but like muscle said, low doses of var will yield nothing as far as noticable gains, meaning that higher doses and the dangers that occompany those higher does is the only other alternative. So you need ask yourself "is this a gamble you are really willing to take?" Do you really believe its woth the risk?

It is unfortunate that so many of these other young athletes are cheating and giving themselves an undeserved advantage over honest hard working players. But the glory days for many of them will be short lived if they permanantly screw up there systems. Not to mention if they get caught, there scholorships will bec yanked right out from under them.

AGAIN is this a risk YOU are willing to take? And there are other ways to get caught then by a drug test. Whenever you are dealing with illeagal substances there is always the possibility running into law enforcement

[Pitching phenom]

I think I'm going to listen to guys. I'm going to eat right, long toss, work my ass off in the weight room, make adjustments in my mechanics, and trust in god. I appreciate all of yor advice and thanks for the help. Creatine, whey protein, and fish oils are going to be it. I'm going to do it cleanly and not have a tainted reputation. Thanks for the help and advice guys I really appreciate it.

[AnabolicDoc]

Good choice

[Squats33]

I know you have the right intentions for me, but my goal is to get drafted my junior year. The problem isn't my talent or work ethic. It's that so many players use steroids and have such a big advantage over guys like me who do it cleanly with protein powder and creatine. I guarantee u 80% of players in the MLB use roids. Guys become freaks off this stuff. I'm so curious about taking them because I wonder how good I can be if I took them. I got this one shot and I want to make sure I get it. That's why Im curious about them

What team are you playing for in the Ripken league? Also, 80% of the guys arent on juice. We were tested pretty heavily, even in the minors. You should only be talking to me on this forum when it comes to pitching. Just trust me and listen. Also, just a fare warning, I have contacts in the ripken league, since I am alumni.

[ironbeck]

I like winni, drink lots of water and warm up and stretch extra or you'll pull or rip something.

[stpete]

Most anabolic steroids carry with them the possibility of many adverse side-effects. It is important to keep in mind these side-effects are only possible, they are by no means guaranteed or assured and are largely avoidable when used responsibly. However, negative side-effects can occur when steroids are abused and even in some who are sensitive even though they use responsibly they may fall prey to negative outcomes; the same can be said of Aspirin. While many anabolic steroids carry vast possible negative side-effects such as estrogenic related due to aromatization, Anavar does not possess these traits. Anavar does not aromatize making common side-effects such as Gynecomastia little to no concern; Further, as most steroids are very suppressive to natural testosterone production Anavar is very mild in this regard, so mild that one could take Anavar and still produce some natural testosterone. However, some suppression will still exist and the extent will largely be dose dependent.

I got this info from a website steroidabuse.com/profiles/anavar.

I love it when people pull things like this out.

I bet 100% of the people that go out and have a few drinks tonight, then get a DUI, will say "if i had it all over to do again...." No one intends to get a DUI, it just kinda happens.

[Pitching phenom]

Yeah **** that to young to take them.

[Pitching phenom]

Wouldn't be right to cheat in the greatest sport in the world.

[Pitching phenom]

What team are you playing for in the Ripken league? Also, 80% of the guys arent on juice. We were tested pretty heavily, even in the minors. You should only be talking to me on this forum when it comes to pitching. Just trust me and listen. Also, just a fare warning, I have contacts in the ripken league, since I am alumni.

I'm actually going to play in the coastal plans league this summer because i talked with them first. Everything is payed for the flight, living, and the league. They are both sponsored by the MLB and tons of mlb scouts go to both leagues, but coastal plans league is in south Carolina. I'd rather go there then Maryland in the summer. But I had an opportunity to play for the southern Maryland nationals in the Ripken league, with coach Doug Creek if you know him. I mite play in the Ripken league next year, but next year I really want to get in the alaskan anchorage league. That's a damn good league.

[Squats33]

I'm actually going to play in the coastal plans league this summer because i talked with them first. Everything is payed for the flight, living, and the league. They are both sponsored by the MLB and tons of mlb scouts go to both leagues, but coastal plans league is in south Carolina. I'd rather go there then Maryland in the summer. But I had an opportunity to play for the southern Maryland nationals in the Ripken league, with coach Doug Creek if you know him. I mite play in the Ripken league next year, but next year I really want to get in the alaskan anchorage league. That's a damn good league.

Coastal Plains league is far better... better host families. I played in the Valley, so you definitely want to play in the best league possible. Ill just add this, if you pitch well enough and throw hard enough, the scouts will come to you no matter where you are... its just easier to get noticed playing against better competition.

[Pitching phenom]

Coastal Plains league is far better... better host families. I played in the Valley, so you definitely want to play in the best league possible. Ill just add this, if you pitch well enough and throw hard enough, the scouts will come to you no matter where you are... its just easier to get noticed playing against better competition.

Alright man thanks for the advice your giving. Now when you played pro ball what was your offseason like? How much did you throw, lift, and types of lifts did you do? The pitching coach at my school has this mind set of rest your arm as much as possible. He told us in our winter offseason to take a 3 week break off from throwing. I thought that was rediculous. What I believe is if you want to throw harder throw more, and especially throw more bullpenns. If you want to be a better pitcher and throw harder you've got to throw and pitch and work on your mechanics, along with lifting, soft tissue work, med ball, and band work. You have to get your arm in shape to be able to pitch 90-100 pitches a game. People who get arm injuries or arm problems get them because they don't throw enough & have bad mechanics. I'm sure it's different for pro pitchers though because you have a longer season. 162 games is a lot and you do have to give your body a rest and recover your strength.