First Cycle Doubt. Need help and advices from the big dogs.

[MCCBA59]

Hi there, I know y'all will try to convince me not to do it, but I'm really going for it, so just help me make this cycle as safe and effective as possible.

Cycle:

My cycle should only be composed by old/mild steroids and low dosages. Like: Dbol, Deca, Primo and test. I was thinking, since it's my first cycle in:

Dbol + Test, which was advised by I friend of mine, 'cause I was planning to run an only Dbol Cycle.

Notes/Questions:
1. Gynecomastia: I've a little lump in my right nipple since a couple of months ago, I researched about it and it's normal in my age. Although, I'm afraid that I'm sensitive to this side effect. Should I run Nolvadex or something?

2. Liver Protection: Since dbol is toxic to the liver, should I run a liver protector like Milk Thistle?

3. Test: I noticed that there are different kinds of test's compounds, which one of 'em should I run? Ofc, when I refered to test in my cycle above, I meant Test E (primoteston).

4. How should my PCT and cycle look like?

5. What should I avoid eating/drinking while on this specifically cycle?

My Stats:

Age: 18
Bodybuilding Years: 2
Weight: 215lbs
Height: 6'0-6'1
Body fat: 15-16%


I did research about this. Even though, I want to hear some tips and advices from experient people on this field. I just want to plan it out so I don't regret this, 'cause I'm planning on competing next year, so gotta get bigger.


Thanks in advance, for your time and pacience.
Best Regards.

[panntastic]

Your just not ready for steroids buddy and your friends advice is crappy

Your far to young and carry to much fat it's as simple as that

Learn to diet and eat properly train hard eat hard sleep long for next 7 years get a real solid base and then turn to steroids.

They are not a magic pill you need hard work and your just not ready for it!

They are supposed to be used once you got your natural plateu or close to it and your nowhere near this.

Your opening statement of I'm gonna do this shows just how immature you are

[reiss c]

Too young mate ...

[panntastic]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids

Some reading for you

[ANIMAL]

Way too young, you have so much growing naturally to do. You don't want to hurt that. If you start now you're going to make this part of you for the rest of your life WITH problems. At 18, are you ready to take that commitment? You're still a kid. It's easy to say yes now but the cons out weight the pros by a landslide.

[panntastic]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...r-the-young***

[MCCBA59]

Those answers were exactly what I was expecting. If I'm too young, how do you guys explain the fact that the best bodybuilders around the world like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sergio Oliva, Lee Priest took steroids even younger than I'm right now?

[MCCBA59]

forums.steroid/showthread.php?515562-The-Young-and-Steroids

Some reading for you

Read it. Interesting and informative. Thanks. But how do ya explain what I posted above? I don't see anything wrong with Arnold's health for example.. I know he had a bunch of operations and stuff but nothing proves that steroids were the main cause of it.

[Gaspaco]

18 common!! If you are 215 at the height of 6"1, 15bf, you have good genetic, that don't need a help of roids!

Wait few years before you will jump in to it!

[ANIMAL]

Those answers were exactly what I was expecting. If I'm too young, how do you guys explain the fact that the best bodybuilders around the world like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sergio Oliva, Lee Priest took steroids even younger than I'm right now?

And you're going back how far? It wasn't a familiar territory back then. And they ALL have problems today, arnold had a heart attack at 49-50? You may think ok, that's not for another 30 years, but think about having a family and you not recovering from a heart attack.

It's just not worth starting at 18 years old when you are already big, shows you have good genetics with hard work you could go real far beore you turn to AAS. I understand younger people want to compete, but is it worth your life? If it is, then no one on this board is going to help you.

[East Coast Kid]

Please listen to these guys. I first came to this board at 18 and have researched my ass off. I'm 27 now and still haven't cycled, but with the nutritional and workout information on here, you have all the tools you need to make great gains. It isn't worth messing up your natural hormones to get a boost right now.

[reiss c]

Also mate you referred to Arnold using steroids but I believe they was legal when he was young and body builders who do use them are most probably under a doctors supervision 24 hours a day thats there life there job

Sit back research eat sleep n work out u will get there eventually

[BBeagle]

Those answers were exactly what I was expecting. If I'm too young, how do you guys explain the fact that the best bodybuilders around the world like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sergio Oliva, Lee Priest took steroids even younger than I'm right now?

you've got a point. personally I'd wait til 21yo but I've seen kids of your age(against all the advise) starting AAS and they are fine.
Also that people were pros, and that means higher doses among other things.
If you're going for it no one will convince you otherwise, so first educate yourself before swallow a pill and/or pin your butt. 'Cause nobody is going to tell you how to do it, not even me!
you have to be responsible with your body because it's the only one you have. So don't be sloth and start reading.
warning: in no way I'm advising this kid to use AAS, it's simply a realistic approach to what we see today. MCCBA59 could be my son and definitely I'd advise him to wait a couple years to start AAS

[panntastic]

Read it. Interesting and informative. Thanks. But how do ya explain what I posted above? I don't see anything wrong with Arnold's health for example.. I know he had a bunch of operations and stuff but nothing proves that steroids were the main cause of it.

You honestly think they want their personal health plastered across news papers?
They probably have to rely on Viagra to get a hard on!
Or no doubt they are all on trt!
Please don't bring your immature attitude to the board as it won't last long.
Ask any of the vets on here back then they didn't have the knowledge we do now.

You need to learn a lot before using steroids especially about maturity. Steroids are not something to be taken lightly as you may feel great on the outside but your inside will be hurting.
How are you gonna know your hpta is screwed?
You've not even mentioned getting bloodwork done.
Please think again
Educate before you medicate

[MickeyKnox]

OP, you have no idea about what these pro BB'rs went through or the real complications they experienced. And quite frankly neither do i - but i don't propose to know either. The transparent truth is, you only know what they shared with the news media.

I think a little more reading and research would benefit you, particularly for someone your age. Your natural testosterone levels are sky high right now. I would concentrate on taking advantage of that as you can make tremendous gains in following few short years.

It’s best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing, and then perhaps look at using AAS.

Its also important to understand what it is your putting into your body and the associated roles these compounds play. Otherwise you could be setting yourself up for a host of unwanted side affects including premature closure of your growth plates, Erectile Dysfunction, Gynecomastia (b*tch t*ts), and more..

[Misery13]

Those answers were exactly what I was expecting. If I'm too young, how do you guys explain the fact that the best bodybuilders around the world like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Sergio Oliva, Lee Priest took steroids even younger than I'm right now?

That may or may not be true. However it doesn't mean it's the best course of action or that they don't have major health issues as a result of it.

Good luck to you.

[MCCBA59]

You honestly think they want their personal health plastered across news papers?
They probably have to rely on Viaga to get a hard on!
Or no doubt they are all on trt!
Please don't bring your immature attitude to the board as it won't last long.
Ask any of the vets on here back then they didn't have the knowledge we do now.

You need to learn a lot before using steroids especially about maturity. Steroids are not something to be taken lightly as you may feel great on the outside but your inside will be hurting.
How are you gonna know your hpta is screwed?
You've not even mentioned getting bloodwork done.
Please think again
Educate before you medicate

I read both threads u sent me, and all the cases. All of them did cycles, but no one had a cycle as "soft" as mine. That's why I wanted to start off with the most mild/weak steroids. Every single case that I read was about people my age or younger that started with heavy compounds and big ass cycles, I plan to do a simple cycle with very small doses once a year and when I turn 21 I'll do it twice a year and maybe, just maybe, add some new compounds. I did in fact, a bloodwork a few months ago, and it's all fine. Just so you know, I respect your opinion, as I respect everyone else's.

[MCCBA59]

you've got a point. personally I'd wait til 21yo but I've seen kids of your age(against all the advise) starting AAS and they are fine.
Also that people were pros, and that means higher doses among other things.
If you're going for it no one will convince you otherwise, so first educate yourself before swallow a pill and/or pin your butt. 'Cause nobody is going to tell you how to do it, not even me!
you have to be responsible with your body because it's the only one you have. So don't be sloth and start reading.
warning: in no way I'm advising this kid to use AAS, it's simply a realistic approach to what we see today. MCCBA59 could be my son and definitely I'd advise him to wait a couple years to start AAS

Thanks. That's why I wanna start off slowly, with mild substances and small dosages..

[MCCBA59]

Legal or illegal it's the same, steroids are steroids. And I really doubt that arnold (at least until he was 17), being in Graz,Austria, which is a little village totally unknown back in the days, had 24/7 doctor supervision, if he had any supervision at all..

[panntastic]

Legal or illegal it's the same, steroids are steroids. And I really doubt that arnold (at least until he was 17), being in Graz,Austria, which is a little village totally unknown back in the days, had 24/7 doctor supervision, if he had any supervision at all..

Im really not trying to be a douche but The thing is you can read as much what you want of the old time greats but you will never know what is going on with them as a result of their extensive usage.
I don't believe they had 24/7 supervision at all infact I don't believe they had any or at most very little.
Thing is when adding test to your body you shut down your natural test end of story.
At your age your body is producing serious amounts of natural test.
Alter your diet and training to get the best of this situation.
Why run before you can walk mate?
I'm just trying to say to you take it slow fix the diet and sort out an amazing trading schedule give it a honest 6 months and come back and tell us how it went.
I guarantee 110% you will be more than happy with the results.
Just take this option but be true to yourself don't cheat on the diet and really dial it in 100% and reap the rewards.
At least build yourself a solid base for the steroids to work with

I'm not trying to put you down we are all here to help you
The fact you asked means you want help and on here you got some of if not, the best advice from some very clued up people.

Head over the diet section sort out a diet with the correct macros and give it a good go.

[MCCBA59]

Thanks for the advice pal. Thing is, I already have a strict diet and training regimen.. Time will give me results I know that, but I also know that steroids will give me those results quickly.. Idk, I'm very confused and doubtful right now.

[MCCBA59]

Real question here : If my test levels are high, can I run, for example, dianabol for itself? Will my test production be enough? If not, if I add a natural test enhancer like Animal Test, would it be enough?

[MickeyKnox]

Real question here : If my test levels are high, can I run, for example, dianabol for itself? Will my test production be enough? If not, if I add a natural test enhancer like Animal Test, would it be enough?

Real answer here. You shouldn't be cycling. You haven't read enough and do not have a solid grasp on AAS.

[Armykid93]

Real question here : If my test levels are high, can I run, for example, dianabol for itself? Will my test production be enough? If not, if I add a natural test enhancer like Animal Test, would it be enough?

No supplement company test booster will do anything. They are all over hyped garbage but the fact that you are suggesting using one in conjunction with steroids because you think it will help proves your lack of knowledge. You need to do some serious research.
I'm 19, I've been extremely serious about a bodybuilding lifestyle for years now and i'm still waiting at least 5 years before I run a cycle. If you don't have everything else dialed in you won't keep your gains anyways dude.
Your doubtful for good reason. If you continue on this path you will end up screwed up.

[Armykid93]

Real answer here. You shouldn't be cycling. You haven't read enough and do not have a solid grasp on AAS.

Lol so true

[Misery13]

Real answer here. You shouldn't be cycling. You haven't read enough and do not have a solid grasp on AAS.

Well said.

[Bio-Active]

Real question here : If my test levels are high, can I run, for example, dianabol for itself? Will my test production be enough? If not, if I add a natural test enhancer like Animal Test, would it be enough?

Any androgen's introduced to your system will cause your natural testosterone production to stop or at least drop. No running dbol alone would be a very poor choice for your health!