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    "Juicy" Math--Working with Numbers & Vials--no more ampules-- Few Questions?

    Hey, ya'll...

    BACKGROUND INFO.:
    I got some "testing materials" for research in Vial form (equipped with rubber top)

    Prior to that I'd been working with pesky glass ampules and snapping them open.

    Those pain in the glass ampules were 1 mL @ 250 mgs/ml of Testoviron Depot.

    I now have a bottle of "Test 400" from Geneza Pharmaceuticals, a reputable company. The bottle indicates the following:

    Test E: 200 mg/ml
    Test C: 200 mg/ml
    10 ml vial

    My cycle includes Test every 3 days of 250 mgs per week.

    Total of 500 mgs of Test. per week.

    QUESTIONS:

    *With the switch from glass amps to Vials, --How do I now pin 250 mgs every 3 days for a total of 500 mgs/week??? (to continue on the existing cycle dosage)???

    Do I draw out 75 % of 1 mL for 250 mL?

    In other words, do I withdraw almost 1mL, but a little less than that to equal roughly 250 mgs?

    Also the rubber cover doesn't completely go back on in a snug way, so I just hover it over the top and keep the entire Vial on a flat surface--ALWAYS REMEMBERING TO WIPE OFF THE RUBBER INSERTION CIRCLE WITH ALCOHOL PRIOR TO INJECTING---(IS THAT OK)?

    I've been using 1 inch needles and pinning the Pecs. (As I look into a standing mirror in my room, I pin at 11 o'clock from my nipple--and I aspirate real easily hardly hitting any blood vessels) I notice that a little drools out---(IS THAT OK)? IS THAT NATURAL & TO BE EXPECTED?

    I apply a bandaid shortly after pinning and push down slowly in a circular way to make sure the Test goes into the muscle. (IS THAT OK)?

    Am I doing this right?

    Is this a good product? 400 mgs of Testosterone PER ML (comprised of Test E & Test C) for a 10 mL vial? *Btw: What kind of Ester is this? Is this Ester Rubenstein? or Ester Long or Ester Short? haha (IS THIS A GOOD, QUALITY PRODUCT)???

    *It just seems like I should be drawing out 1 mL which is what I'm used to doing with the standard 1 mL ampules.

    Thanks, in advance, for all your input.

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    The ester is cyp and enenthate. They are long esters.
    I would rotate more spots then the pecs.
    You rubber stopper should not be coming off. It should have metal holding it on. Is that how u bought it?
    Doing .75 ml would be 300mg not 250mg
    And i dont like that labs stuff
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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    The ester is cyp and enenthate. They are long esters.
    I would rotate more spots then the pecs.
    You rubber stopper should not be coming off. It should have metal holding it on. Is that how u bought it?
    Doing .75 ml would be 300mg not 250mg
    And i dont like that labs stuff
    tHANKS gixxxerboy1: yea that's how i bought it.

    quite honestly the label was slightly crookedly affixed--so i wasn't real impressed.

    yes...thanks...i will pin the delts also...and mix it up. (delts are my 2nd fav area)

    yea normally 400mgs/per ML FOR A 10 ml STANDARD VIAL is ALOT SO IM THINKING THERE'S A TRADEOFF BETWEEN BARGAIN PRICE AND QUALITY.

    DO U RECOMMEND ANY LABS FOR QUALITY TESTOSTERONE ?

    ANY LAB NAMES LIKE "bRITISH DRAGON"? OR SOME OTHER such stuff?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MakeUpLostTimeFast View Post
    Hey, ya'll...

    BACKGROUND INFO.:
    I got some "testing materials" for research in Vial form (equipped with rubber top)

    Prior to that I'd been working with pesky glass ampules and snapping them open.

    Those pain in the glass ampules were 1 mL @ 250 mgs/ml of Testoviron Depot.

    I now have a bottle of "Test 400" from Geneza Pharmaceuticals, a reputable company. The bottle indicates the following: I'm with Gix...not impressed with Geneza, underdosed in my experience!

    Test E: 200 mg/ml
    Test C: 200 mg/ml
    10 ml vial

    My cycle includes Test every 3 days of 250 mgs per week.

    Total of 500 mgs of Test. per week.

    QUESTIONS:

    *With the switch from glass amps to Vials, --How do I now pin 250 mgs every 3 days for a total of 500 mgs/week??? (to continue on the existing cycle dosage)???

    Do I draw out 75 % of 1 mL for 250 mL? .625ML X 2 per week is 500mg

    In other words, do I withdraw almost 1mL, but a little less than that to equal roughly 250 mgs?

    Also the rubber cover doesn't completely go back on in a snug way, so I just hover it over the top and keep the entire Vial on a flat surface--ALWAYS REMEMBERING TO WIPE OFF THE RUBBER INSERTION CIRCLE WITH ALCOHOL PRIOR TO INJECTING---(IS THAT OK)?
    I'm assuming your talking about the plastic cap? throw it in the trash, the rubber stopper is all that is needed.

    I've been using 1 inch needles and pinning the Pecs. (As I look into a standing mirror in my room, I pin at 11 o'clock from my nipple--and I aspirate real easily hardly hitting any blood vessels) I notice that a little drools out---(IS THAT OK)? IS THAT NATURAL & TO BE EXPECTED? A little blood is ok but as Gixx said..rotate at least 4 spot, 6 is better

    I apply a bandaid shortly after pinning and push down slowly in a circular way to make sure the Test goes into the muscle. (IS THAT OK)?
    Am I doing this right?
    Do NOT massage it in...this could increase trauma to the site

    Is this a good product? 400 mgs of Testosterone PER ML (comprised of Test E & Test C) for a 10 mL vial? *Btw: What kind of Ester is this? Is this Ester Rubenstein? or Ester Long or Ester Short? haha (IS THIS A GOOD, QUALITY PRODUCT)???
    Both long esters (nearly the same)..test 400 can hurt a bit!

    *It just seems like I should be drawing out 1 mL which is what I'm used to doing with the standard 1 mL ampules.

    Thanks, in advance, for all your input.
    .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
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    This is all very good info. Lunk, Thanks...You always give great advice.

    im goin to research other brands of Test like British Dragon...see what's the best--I'd rather pay more than get below-par gear.

    I was talking about the Testosterone oozing out, not blood...where u said "a little blood is ok",

    but Testosterone is inherently OILY SO I GUESS A LITTLE TEST OOZING OUT THAT'S TO BE EXPECTED AFTER I TAKE OUT THE NEEDLE AND APPLY THE BANDAID.

    THAT'S A RELIEF ABOUT THE RUBBER CIRCULAR GREY STOPPER BEING ENOUGH--DIDN'T WANT TO CONTAMINATE OR WASTE MY GEAR.

    THanks again! Have a happy, productive and injury-free New Year with big gains--don't forget to train Consistently...

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    I would avoid BD gear as well....they havn't been trustworthy in years imo!

    Leave the pin in for 10 or 15 seconds and let the oil sit in the depot a bit before pulling it out. This may help the "oozing"

    Thank you...same to you!!!

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    I agree stay away from bd. Honestly i would be concerned about what u have now. It should have a metal ring on it holding the stopper. It really sounds like it eas played with before u got it
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    I agree stay away from bd. Honestly i would be concerned about what u have now. It should have a metal ring on it holding the stopper. It really sounds like it eas played with before u got it
    I'm assuming he is talking about the cap Gixx!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post

    I'm assuming he is talking about the cap Gixx!
    Hopefully. I thought he said there is no metal holding the stopper on and that's how he got it.

    Op can u clarify
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    I took it as if he was putting the cap back on (or trying rather) between uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stpete View Post
    I took it as if he was putting the cap back on (or trying rather) between uses.
    Hopefully thats what he meant
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    tHE grey rubber circlular stopper is in place firm and secure.

    the cap no longer fits.

    yes i was referring to the cap.

    the cap was taken off to use the new product

    it (the cap) no longer goes back over to COVER the circle grey rubber stopper.

    im pretty sure im good2go

    if the grey circular stopper (THE PART THAT IS PENETRATED WITH THE NEEDLE TO DRAW OUT THE MEDICINE) was loose it might fall into the medicine--WHICH IS NOT GOOD..

    ALSO IF THIS WAS THE CASE, NOTHING WOULD COVER OR PROTECT THE MEDICINE WHEN THE MEDICINE IS NOT IN USE--AND IT WOULD BE EXPOSED TO OPEN AIR CONTAMINATES--ALSO NOT GOOD.

    AGAIN THE RUBBER stopper is in place,

    the cap upon taking it off does not go back on to snugly cover the grey circle stopper.

    I am very thorough and precise in writing because I work with lawyers...so excuse the caps and wordy language please.

    im g2g (good to go)...all set...and in the clear.

    thanks for all ur input! don't drink too much during New Yrs Eve or at all...it just dehydrates & upsets the liver--let the ladies do the drinking (& therefore loose & ripe for bed & "nocturnal cardio") --i would just get drunk off on ur workout endorphins. haha

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    Ok, the cap isnt supposed to be able to go back on.
    If people can't tell your on steroids then your doing them wrong

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    Yes...op, again your fine.

    The concern Gixx had was that the metel ring that holds the rubber stopper in place had somehow come off. This is crimped around the top of the vial!

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