Test-P/Test-E + Dbol - My First Cycle - Age 18! AUS

[Fraser1994]

Hi, after a couple of months consideration, I'm preparing for my first cycle. First of all I'm going to give you my stats

Age: 18
Height: 6.1ft
Weight: 80kg
Lifting: 2 Years
BF: 7% - 9%

I've been doing much research and decided to "Prepare" for my first cycle, I'm going to be starting this (Jan/1/14)
As I'm only just turning 19 next year, I thought I would wait a couple of months to get closer to 20 years of age
just to keep on the safe side, anyway to the point, I've been lifting two years. When I first started I weighed (59kg)
so I was indeed anorexic but I when I got into bodybuilding I learned how to count my carbs/calories and what I needed
to start putting on weight, so I started my path on a two year bulk (Clean) I rarely have junk food, once a month if i'm lucky
and I train at the gym 5 days a week, I finished my bulk about a month ago, at the end of it I weighed in a 80kg
with roughly 7% bf which is pretty good in my opinion, so anyway I have been on a break since then so I've now had a month off, feeling pretty good and very keen to get back to the gym, I've been researching some beginner cycles but I decided to make my own and wanted some feed back from you guys, I also am NOT planning on doing this soon, I'm waiting another year but I'm preparing and getting everything ready, honestly I want to know the in's and out's before I start pinning myself or taking orals I'm not familiar with, also I'd like to add that my father stopped growing at the age of 19/20 so I think I will probably stop at that age, well I hope so!

My plan is to do a 12 week cycle of (Test-P + Dbol) Test at 500mg/W and Dbol at 40mg/ED for 4 weeks. I realize that Test-p is a fast acting anabolic Steroid, I'd rather that then waiting 6 weeks into the cycle to see changes. I'm only planning on doing 1 cycle a year setting it to 12 weeks at a time.
I'll also be running Clomid/Nolvadex/ED for 3 weeks 3 days after last Test-Prop injection. Also going to have some Liquidex at hand in case Sides get bad. also planning on getting blood done Before/Mid/After Cycle to make sure everything goes alright.

So basically it would look like this

Test-p : 500mg/EW (three days apart from every injection) 12 Weeks
Dbol : 40mg/ED (Spliting it up to 4 pills a day of 10mg Tabs) 4 weeks
Liv-52 : A pill everyday to keep liver in check (Hopefully)

Nolvadex : 20mg /ED - 3 Weeks
Clomid : 50mg /ED - 3 Weeks
Liquidex: 1mg / On hand in case of sides during cycle


I'll also be bulking during this cycle, I'm not going to do this cycle unless I hit 90kg by next Jan, I'm 80 now so shouldn't be so hard, I'm also going to get routines in check and start upping supplementation use!


anyway, Thanks guys I hope you can give me some advice for this!


- Fraser1994





P.S: the only reason I want to use (Test-p) is because the ester attached to the testosterone is fast acting, so the test kicks in within the first three days of use, I realize is would be better to start off with something like test-e or test-c because it takes a couple of weeks before test kicks in and it would make more sence to use one of them because I'd be using dbol at the start to ease into the test and test-c and test-e would be better because less injections!

Honestly I'm looking for your advice, I'm not a pro I've only been researching the past week, if you guys can help me out that would be great! thank you so much in advance!

[Fraser1994]

bump!

[Coeus]

It seems like you've gotten a good start on your research. In your case I would wait at least a few more years before your first cycle. Just because your growth in height halts does not mean your physical development is anywhere near complete. Your body undergoes a great amount of maturing throughout your early and mid twenties. Your cycle is pretty sound, but you're right that you should be using test e or c if using e3d. If you use test p it should be used eod. Keep doing research, reach your natural peak in the next few years, and then take it to the next level with AS. Best of luck with your bulking cycle.

[ElliotMax]

If you had been doing good research, you'd learn by now to lie about your age..

[MuscleInk]

Hi, after a couple of months consideration, I'm preparing for my first cycle. First of all I'm going to give you my stats

Age: 18
Height: 6.1ft
Weight: 80kg
Lifting: 2 Years
BF: 7% - 9%

I've been doing much research and decided to "Prepare" for my first cycle, I'm going to be starting this (Jan/1/14)
As I'm only just turning 19 next year, I thought I would wait a couple of months to get closer to 20 years of age
just to keep on the safe side, anyway to the point, I've been lifting two years. When I first started I weighed (59kg)
so I was indeed anorexic but I when I got into bodybuilding I learned how to count my carbs/calories and what I needed
to start putting on weight, so I started my path on a two year bulk (Clean) I rarely have junk food, once a month if i'm lucky
and I train at the gym 5 days a week, I finished my bulk about a month ago, at the end of it I weighed in a 80kg
with roughly 7% bf which is pretty good in my opinion, so anyway I have been on a break since then so I've now had a month off, feeling pretty good and very keen to get back to the gym, I've been researching some beginner cycles but I decided to make my own and wanted some feed back from you guys, I also am NOT planning on doing this soon, I'm waiting another year but I'm preparing and getting everything ready, honestly I want to know the in's and out's before I start pinning myself or taking orals I'm not familiar with, also I'd like to add that my father stopped growing at the age of 19/20 so I think I will probably stop at that age, well I hope so!

My plan is to do a 12 week cycle of (Test-P + Dbol) Test at 500mg/W and Dbol at 40mg/ED for 4 weeks. I realize that Test-p is a fast acting anabolic Steroid, I'd rather that then waiting 6 weeks into the cycle to see changes. I'm only planning on doing 1 cycle a year setting it to 12 weeks at a time.
I'll also be running Clomid/Nolvadex/ED for 3 weeks 3 days after last Test-Prop injection. Also going to have some Liquidex at hand in case Sides get bad. also planning on getting blood done Before/Mid/After Cycle to make sure everything goes alright.

So basically it would look like this

Test-p : 500mg/EW (three days apart from every injection) 12 Weeks
Dbol : 40mg/ED (Spliting it up to 4 pills a day of 10mg Tabs) 4 weeks
Liv-52 : A pill everyday to keep liver in check (Hopefully)

Nolvadex : 20mg /ED - 3 Weeks
Clomid : 50mg /ED - 3 Weeks
Liquidex: 1mg / On hand in case of sides during cycle

I'll also be bulking during this cycle, I'm not going to do this cycle unless I hit 90kg by next Jan, I'm 80 now so shouldn't be so hard, I'm also going to get routines in check and start upping supplementation use!

anyway, Thanks guys I hope you can give me some advice for this!

- Fraser1994

P.S: the only reason I want to use (Test-p) is because the ester attached to the testosterone is fast acting, so the test kicks in within the first three days of use, I realize is would be better to start off with something like test-e or test-c because it takes a couple of weeks before test kicks in and it would make more sence to use one of them because I'd be using dbol at the start to ease into the test and test-c and test-e would be better because less injections!

Honestly I'm looking for your advice, I'm not a pro I've only been researching the past week, if you guys can help me out that would be great! thank you so much in advance!

Fraser,

Disregard what Elliot has said. You'll be more respected and helped if you're honest with the members rather than lying and manipulating people here. First, congrats on investing time into reading and learning. That's the right way to go. Second, given your age, the most common recommendation is that you wait another 4 or 5 years, train naturally, and build your gains through a solid nutrition plan. The general consensus here and among the medical community is that the endocrine system (the physiological pathway responsible for regulating hormones in your body) continues to develop until about 25 years (+/- 2). There's no exact way to determine when the endocrine system is fully developed but 25 years of age is the expected norm. Exogenous hormones will suppress and/or shut down your natural production and may cause permanent damage, irrespective of age. Shutting these processes down before your endocrine system has finished developing could have even greater consequences but it is impossible to say who will and who won't be effected, so the safer choice is to wait until you're about 25 yrs of age.

Regarding your proposed cycle, it's best to keep it simple the first time through. You don't know how your body will react so keep the compounds an protocol simple: 1 compound; 1 protocol. The normal protocol is a 12 week cycle of 500mg of testosterone enthanate or testosterone cypionate, weekly, split between two or three doses. Adding too many compounds makes it harder to trouble shoot and dose adjust in the event of side effects. Dbol, being a hepatotoxic oral is probably best left for a future cycle. Some will say its ok to stack the first time through, but I'm still recommending 1 compound (in a few more years) so you can see how your body responds. AIs aren't "kept on hand in the event of sides". Read more on the risks of elevated estrogen to comprehend how important managing aromatization is. Man boobs are the least of your concerns and E2 levels can become a risk even in the absence of gyno so don't use gyno alone as a criteria for taking an AI. This cycle would also need a proper PCT as you have already mentioned.

Nutrition is the biggest predictor of LBM. Many people when bulking only eat 1/3-1/2 of the required calories to gain respectable size. So it's not just what you eat but how much and how often you eat that is going to drive your gains - NOT steroids. Since you still have a lot of time, post questions in the nutrition forum and develop a nutrition plan that will drive gains. Doing so now will help you reach your goals well before steroids are necessary and will help you establish proper eating habits once you are ready for AAS.

If you haven't seen this link by one of our highly respected members, you will do yourself a huge favor by reading this:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.UN_KnkK9Kc0

Good luck mate!

[ma_fighter]

Excellent post MI!

Fraser - Props for being smart and using your head about this, you say you've only been researching the past week? Well, from your post I'd say you've taken in more in that week then many do in a year! Read through the link MI gave you as well, might be an eye-opener.

You also say that you'll not be doing this for at least a year, and only if you gain 10kg's in that year. Smart, but:
Well, disregarding the fact that you will still be too young by that point, if youre still able to put on 10kgs of LEAN muscle in a year, and judging by your progress so far, the muscle gained will indeed be lean, then you really do not need AAS.
Doing what you accomplished takes dedication and hard work, do you really want all of that to go to waste, because you jumped on the juice too soon?

Think about it, in a mere 3 years you will have gained 30kg's of hard, ripped, muscles! Where will you be in another 5-6, when youre more likely to be ready to use AAS without such a great risk of doing permanent damage?
I'm quite sure that unless you're looking to start competing, you will be quite happy with where youre at 5 years from now!

Good luck m8
/Maf

[taaa]

I finished my bulk about a month ago, at the end of it I weighed in a 80kg
with roughly 7% bf which is pretty good in my opinion

hmm bulk and end up at 7% bf lol something must be wrong here

[OnTheGas]

You will regret it buddy honestly, I Did my first at 18 and I cant stress how much i wish i hadnt. I waited till 26 to do my second. Your not ready yet believe me check out the diet and nutrition forums and keep training natty...you have alot more potential right now and much more to gain without any AAS. I know you are looking for a quick fix. I Was...this may very well be the biggest mistake of your life. Is putting on some extra mass worth a lifetime of low test? Believe me its not you still got lots of growing to be done. Make the smart choice!