First cycle of D-Bol and Test E.

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 12:43 AM

I've decided to take a step into the world of AAS.

Ive been training for about 1 year now properely and have now gotten very serious into bodybuilding. I have spent the past few months doing a tremendous amount of research and study into routines, diets, bio science etc and have now reached the point where i think i can facilitate an AAS cycle to its potential.

As of now, im 20 years old, roughly 5'5 135lbs at 14% bf and hoping to finish my cut at around 10-12% before i start cycling. Currently on a keto diet.

My cycle will be something like this:

1-6 30mg D-bol ed
1-10 500mg Test-e
1-10 .25mg arimidex

PCT

14 days after last Test E injection.

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

Supplements

CL Fish Oil
ON Creatine Mono
ON Whey
CL Orange Triad Multivitamin
Glucosamine
Milk Thistle
Bio Oil (for possible stretch marks)

Diet:

- +500 calories surplus
- 1 - 1.5g protein/lb of bodyweight
- 0.5g fat/lb of bodyweight
- Rest of calories from carbs
- min. galleon of water/day

Will be eating 90% clean, maybe more if i can get calories in easily enough each day.

Does this seem like a good cycle? Any flaws i need to fix before i start?

Is adex usually continued throughout cycle and into PCT?

And, as for macronutrients and calories, do people usually up consumption during cycle, if so ill consume 2g protein/lb instead.

Willing to take as much advice as possible from you guys until i do anything.

**Bertuzzi** · 12-30-2012, 12:51 AM

Hey, welcome to the forum, thanks for the detailed post.

You're definitely too young for aas, and you have lots of room to grow naturally.

here is a great thread with a lot of info for you.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UN_kC280V8E

Good Luck!

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 01:10 AM

Thanks for the heads up. I went through those a while back and it gave me a shock but alot almost all of them did it in their teens with no PCT.

I've spent the past 6 months or so contemplating whether or not i should cycle and have made the decision to do so. Im trying to make this the most flawless cycle i can to enure minimal risk. My diet, supplementation, routine, cycle and PCT have/will be all heavily researched and planned before i do anything. I'd never touch anything like Tren for a few more years.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 01:13 AM

I'll give you credit, you've certainly done your research. But you must have skimmed over the most important part of AAS, your endocrine system. Right now its still in the developing stages and if you introduce supraphysical amounts of exogenous testosterone , you could be setting yourself up for a world of hate my friend. And this could be your biggest flaw!

Imagine not being able to get an erection because you cycle too early. Imagine developing unsightly and uncontrolled acne. Imagine losing your erection midway with your gf. Imagine gaining 20lbs and then losing it all and then some, immediately after your cycle. And imagine all this and m ore happening to you and not having any control over it at all because you thought you your body was fully developed and matured.

Bottom line is, you're too skinny and too young. Period.

Your natural testosterone levels are sky high right now. I would concentrate on taking advantage of that as you can make tremendous gains in following few short years.

It’s best to know the complications and associated health risks that could affect you should you decide to embark on this journey sooner than later. A few more years to allow your developing endocrine system to finish growing, and then perhaps look at using AAS.

Its also important to understand what it is your putting into your body and the associated roles these compounds play. Otherwise you could be setting yourself up for a host of unwanted side affects including premature closure of your growth plates, Erectile Dysfunction, Gynecomastia (b*tch t*ts), and more..

Check out these threads for a look in to what happens when you cycle too young..

The Young and Steroids

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...s#.ULk5-mfX_fs

Cycles Gone Wrong for the Young

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UL2db2fX_fs

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 01:21 AM

Are there any methods of determining if your endocrine system is fully developed or not?

Will definitely do research on the endocrine system and growth plates though.

**OnTheGas** · 12-30-2012, 12:26 PM

Seeing an endo, most likely you are NOT ready...you can bulk up alot more at your age and weight......Naturally!!!!!!

**Bio-Active** · 12-30-2012, 01:11 PM

Listen to these guys man. At 20 there is no good reason to use AAS. Plenty of room to grow natty and with good nutrition. Keep researching and dialing in your nutrition for another 3-4 years and see were you are at then.

**stpete** · 12-30-2012, 01:31 PM

Not a whole more for me to add but i'll tell you that you'll get great satisfaction out of pushing yourself to the limit naturally. I know i'm happy that i waited til i was 27 and i was lifting some good weight.

Hope you hold off for a few more years. I think you'll be glad you did.

**jcrutche** · 12-30-2012, 04:49 PM

135 seems a little light to be considering steroids already...

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 08:55 PM

I'm fully aware of all the risks mentioned and ive made my decision.

For knowledge sake, anyone got any answers for the OP,

P.S. Im 5'5, ofcourse 135 seems light. Ill probly lean bulk to 140 before i begin.

**gixxerboy1** · 12-30-2012, 09:01 PM

I have no advice because at that age and size therev isn't a propper way of running it

**ecruz** · 12-30-2012, 09:04 PM

Bump Gix

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by aftermathmatic

I'm fully aware of all the risks mentioned and ive made my decision.

For knowledge sake, anyone got any answers for the OP,

P.S. Im 5'5, ofcourse 135 seems light. Ill probly lean bulk to 140 before i begin.

Im sorry, but that's an oxymoron.

**Muscley midget** · 12-30-2012, 09:07 PM

Dbol is usually 4 weeks max....

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Im sorry, but that's an oxymoron.

It isn't self contradictory at all, it will be for strength and metabolisms sake. I'd rather not come straight out of a cut and into a cycle. Not only will my strength be lower, but my metabolism will be shocked, the lean bulk will be in place to slowly up carbs per week (ie reverse dieting) to allow my body to adapt for what is to come.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 09:14 PM

I meant 140lbs and the word Bulk, is an oxymoron. I was being a bit of a smart ass.

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 09:25 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

I meant 140lbs and the word Bulk, is an oxymoron. I was being a bit of a smart ass.

Rather than my size, do you have an opinion on my hypothetical cycle?

Drop down clomid to 100/50/50/50 instead?
Shorten D-bol cycle to 4 weeks?
Continue with Adex for the entire 16 weeks?
2g protein/lb a must?

I may change my mind within the next few days/weeks due to this thread, but if otherwise, id rather know what im doing than going in with no advice.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 09:28 PM

The best advice i can give you is in post #4.

**aftermathmatic** · 12-30-2012, 09:33 PM

All i need is those 4 questions answered.

**MickeyKnox** · 12-30-2012, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by aftermathmatic

All i need is those 4 questions answered.

I disagree. What you need to do is listen to those that have more experience and knowledge than you do, and who have your best interest and health in mind.

**jeromehauser** · 12-30-2012, 09:49 PM

i know what it feels like to be obsessed with this whole thing...when i was in my early 20's i was in a similar situation. lucky for me i took the wise advice of experienced lifters, and decided they knew a thing or two about a thing or two. that literally feels like yesterday....may sound horrible brother but....time flies by....