Anavar is NOT a mild compound where HPTA suppression/shutdown is concerned!!

**MickeyKnox** · 05-01-2013, 09:52 AM

Bump..

**Brazensol** · 05-02-2013, 01:40 PM

Couple of things for my own clarification if you don't mind. I am on trt taking 130mgs test cyp per week (divided in two doses of 65mgs each). I am 51 years old and 27% bf. Other than the bf I am healthy. If I read correctly I can run anavar (80-100mgs/day) along side my test cyp for 6-8 weeks and it will help both with fat loss and lean gain. If I have this right then this sounds like the perfect noob starter cycle. Also read it helps increase hgh and might this also be helpful in healing some old lifting injuries (tendonosis)?

Would using otc liver support sups (like milk thistle) be sufficient for liver health or is something stronger needed? Anavar being an oral steroid is the only thing that really makes me a bit nervous. My last liver panel looked great and I just had a new one done but am still waiting on the results. If everything still looks good I am very interested in running this cycle.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-03-2013, 06:06 AM

I would not begin this cycle until you are at least around 15% BF or less. This is very important Brazensol.

I recommend you adjust your diet and reduce your Body Fat to around 15% before you begin your cycle. This will also reduce your likelihood of experiencing unwanted sides attributed to high E2 levels like, Erectile Dysfunction (ED), Acne, Raised Blood Pressure, Increased Heart Rate, Bloating, Cardio vascular Issues, Mood swings, changes to your Cholesterol Factors (HDL-C, LDL-C, TG, TC)...ect.

Excess fatty tissue is a huge proponent of Estrogen. "Adipose tissue can contribute significantly to the circulating pool of estrogens." You want your BF to be as low as possible before you begin your proposed cycle - very important! Read this clinical study…Estrogen production and action. [J Am Acad Dermatol. 2001] - PubMed - NCBI

And then head over to the Nutritional Forums and the Specialists in there will assist you in developing a solid diet that will reflect your intended goals and slim you down to a more suitable and safe BF%.

**Brazensol** · 05-03-2013, 09:09 AM

I see. I am working very hard to get the bf down and have knocked off 5% already. I must have misunderstood some earlier comments about anavar being able to be used to help "burn" fat even in those over the 15% level. I am somewhat disappointed but will contunue to lose the fat so I can do it right. I estimate (at least) 3 more months (being optimistic) before I can hit that magic 15% bf!

**belva** · 05-03-2013, 11:32 AM

I'm glad I came to this post as well

gret informations. bump...

**MickeyKnox** · 05-03-2013, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

I see. I am working very hard to get the bf down and have knocked off 5% already. I must have misunderstood some earlier comments about anavar being able to be used to help "burn" fat even in those over the 15% level. I am somewhat disappointed but will contunue to lose the fat so I can do it right. I estimate (at least) 3 more months (being optimistic) before I can hit that magic 15% bf!

Good for you for not jumping in without dieting down properly. And congrats on the BF reduction already!

**MickeyKnox** · 05-04-2013, 05:18 PM

Bump..

**panntastic** · 05-05-2013, 01:09 AM

Bump

**austinite** · 05-05-2013, 01:15 AM

Damn. Front page is always flooded with the same damn threads. Would be nice if we could just link to them as needed.

**panntastic** · 05-05-2013, 02:43 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Damn. Front page is always flooded with the same damn threads. Would be nice if we could just link to them as needed.

I bet you only a small percentage of members actually read them though

**MickeyKnox** · 05-07-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by austinite

Damn. Front page is always flooded with the same damn threads. Would be nice if we could just link to them as needed.

Agreed.

Bump..

**Brazensol** · 05-07-2013, 09:39 PM

I asked on another thread but will also ask here. About how much can someone expect to gain on their first cycle and how much will you keep once the cycle ends?

**MickeyKnox** · 05-07-2013, 09:45 PM

In a prefect world, 15-20 pounds. And you'll keep about 15 lbs if you eat and exercise properly through cycle including PCT.

**austinite** · 05-07-2013, 09:47 PM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

I asked on another thread but will also ask here. About how much can someone expect to gain on their first cycle and how much will you keep once the cycle ends?

Most parrots will tell you that 15 to 20 lbs is attainable. Not the case. I don't care what your diet looks like. This questions really can't be answered because everyone's diet is different and bodies react differently. If you can retain 5 to 7 lbs of muscle from a short var run, be happy.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-07-2013, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Brazensol

I asked on another thread but will also ask here. About how much can someone expect to gain on their first cycle and how much will you keep once the cycle ends?

Braz, to be clear my answer was for a typical first cycle, not a Var only or anything like that. Its a fact that during your first AAS cycle you will likely make the biggest amount of gains compared to all other cycles.

**Brazensol** · 05-08-2013, 02:22 PM

I could live with 7-15 pounds!!! When I get my bf down to 15% or less I would like to run a var and test cycle. Am I correct in thinking no PCT necessary since I am on Test. Cyp. for trt? Basically just returning to my maintenance dose (128mgs/week) would be my PCT?

One more thing. I am also on thyroid meds and wonder if a cycle would affect this in any way? Thanks guys.

**BillT396** · 05-12-2013, 07:27 PM

I agree with your assessment and on 20mg of var for one week. Can I also take hydrogel 1.62% to increase my test?

**MickeyKnox** · 05-14-2013, 08:23 AM

To the top

**Brazensol** · 05-14-2013, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by BillT396

I agree with your assessment and on 20mg of var for one week. Can I also take hydrogel 1.62% to increase my test?

Something to keep in mind with gels is that they are hit or miss as to how much an individual/you absorb. I started out using the 1% gel and was then bumped up to the 1.62% gel and still did not get much from it. Except lower test levels. I had to switch to test cyp and it was night and day how I felt. Plus with gels you have to be careful around any women or children in your life. Just something to think about.

**urapunk** · 05-14-2013, 10:13 PM

If i run test e at 500mg a week and anavar 50mg ed for 10 weeks considering it's my first AAS cycle, will Nolva suffice for PCT? or do i need to include HCG as well. Thanks in advance

**cruzetor** · 05-15-2013, 02:13 AM

anavar and test sounds like a good cycle

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by urapunk

If i run test e at 500mg a week and anavar 50mg ed for 10 weeks considering it's my first AAS cycle, will Nolva suffice for PCT? or do i need to include HCG as well. Thanks in advance

I don't know your stats but if you read this link you will find everything you need to properly and safely run a first cycle. Please ensure your stats are inline with running a first cycle. If you're unaware of what that is, begin a thread in the Q&A and include your proposed cycle and stats for critique and tips by our members.

**Most Common Beginners Cycles**

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?517175-Most-Common-Beginners-Cycles-Look-here..#.UJZv62fX_fs

**urapunk** · 05-15-2013, 10:09 AM

Thanks for the answer.
My stats:
age 30
weight 170
height 5'7''
BF 18%

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 10:45 AM

Originally Posted by urapunk

Thanks for the answer.
My stats:
age 30
weight 170
height 5'7''
BF 18%

Ok perfect. Post up a new thread in this forum along with your proposed cycle for any questions you may have.

**urapunk** · 05-15-2013, 04:13 PM

Cool. Thanx

**urapunk** · 05-15-2013, 04:16 PM

Does anybody have any idea why Atomini got banned? I really liked his posts, very informative and always helpful.

**MickeyKnox** · 05-15-2013, 08:49 PM

Originally Posted by urapunk

Does anybody have any idea why Atomini got banned? I really liked his posts, very informative and always helpful.

He broke some rules here. Sad to see him go - he's a bright kid with a future. But rules are rules. It's all good however. He's happy and healthy.

**Sllammy** · 05-16-2013, 12:23 AM

Wish I would have read this post 4 years ago...

**MickeyKnox** · 05-16-2013, 04:10 PM

Originally Posted by Sllammy

Wish I would have read this post 4 years ago...

Better late than never.

**dickster** · 05-28-2013, 12:04 PM

Excellent read.

**tebby** · 06-01-2013, 02:45 PM

stellar as always. Always nice to see the science.

**johnC80** · 07-06-2013, 08:46 PM

This is a great thread, going to have to revisit it once I am ready to plan a cycle. Anavar with TRT test level sounds like it will be my first cycle.

**human project** · 07-16-2013, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

He broke some rules here. Sad to see him go - he's a bright kid with a future. But rules are rules. It's all good however. He's happy and healthy.

The best members get banned I swear

**[][][]==HULK==[][][]** · 04-16-2015, 02:46 PM

Bringing up and old post here. This info is amazing. My question to you is what would you consider to be a general TRT dose using Test Suspension? Seeing as in general this is a more powerful test vs oil bases tests.

Thank you in advance.

**BigLegslittlearms** · 02-27-2018, 09:37 PM

Hey,

I have taken anavar only cycle for 12 weeks 50mg up too 100mg then down too 50 mg again. I know its stupid that i did this without a base as test, i listned too a friend unfortunately.
My problem is that after the PCT Clomid+nolva i didnt take them for long tho. My sexdrive is completely gone im not getting horny at all. I can get it up and release my load but wihtout any horny feeling.

Any help?,

PS: i know it was stupid it was my first anabolic experience.

**GodOnEarth** · 08-23-2021, 04:23 AM

I am surprised people have done this 10years ago, this is our recent study:https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...than-tbol.html
We came to the same conclusion
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Just out of curiosity, why do you pick the number 24 or below as the age people should not use steroid ? Why not higher

**GodOnEarth** · 08-23-2021, 04:30 AM

That's the thing, you should never consider using steroid if you don't plan on getting on TRT for life. Even one cycle can takes years to recover, if you can recover at all.
Nobody talks about this in bodybuilding because no bodybuilder ever get off steroid