TRT - Blast experiment with tren

[BBJT200]

21 y/o, 5'8.5" 195lbs
12-13% bf
3 years solid lifting experience
Very good understanding of nutritional needs
Recently had the epiphany that HIIT > LISS by an enormous margin for me

I'd like to do a cutter cycle and want to avoid orals due to some liver issues following a severe case of mono. My liver values are fine now but I would like to keep it that way.

Currently on 150mg test cyp/week TRT (testicular failure not due to AAS abuse)

My thoughts are an 8 week blast of tren ace @ 75mg EoD.
Normally people run test prop with it, but since i'm already on a stable 150mg/wk it seems like it would be pointless.

75mg test cyp monday morning as always
75mg test cyp thursday evening as always

+ 75mg tren ace EoD 8 for 8 weeks.
Prami on hand. No point in HCG for me.

Thoughts? Not in a hurry, still 4+ weeks out.

[OnTheSauce]

go for it.

[kelkel]

First time with tren you may want to go 50 eod to start. You can always bump it up. Curious, enlighten me more as to what caused your primary failure? What was the diagnosis/causative factor? Varicocele, trauma?

[Lunk1]

Have you any cycle experience or used ant AAS other than your TRT?

[BBJT200]

Probably a good idea. Never know how i'll react to the sides! Thanks Kel.

Trauma was the cause

[BBJT200]

Have you any cycle experience or used ant AAS other than your TRT?

I toyed with tbol a little bit in december, but I was reminded about the liver issues I had with mono so I discontinued.

[Bio-Active]

I would start low with the tren just to see how you react.

[Lunk1]

I toyed with tbol a little bit in december, but I was reminded about the liver issues I had with mono so I discontinued.

I would consider simply just blasting a BB test dose of 400-600mg. This will give you everything you need with a proper diet. It is really a good idea to experiment some with lesss harsh cycles before jumping tren!

[Bio-Active]

I would consider simply just blasting a BB test dose of 400-600mg. This will give you everything you need with a proper diet. It is really a good idea to experiment some with lesss harsh cycles before jumping tren!

I like this idea. I made great gains blasting 400

[BBJT200]

I'm kind of excited to see how I react to it. AI's give me such nasty heartburn that i'd like to avoid having to rely on them. On my TRT dose, i can get away with not using one
If tren doesn't go so well, that's probably the route I will take in the future. I will try the 50mg eod for 8 wks and see how it goes.

[Lunk1]

[I]f you have no plans to use an AI then you will need to USE the prami! Perhaps consider Deca as a more mild 19nor that I love to see ppl try before tren

[kelkel]

Probably a good idea. Never know how i'll react to the sides! Thanks Kel.

Trauma was the cause

No chance for recovery?

Lunk's got some good suggestions above as well!

[BBJT200]

No. They're dead unfortunately.
I will look into deca. Thanks guys.

[lovbyts]

I would consider simply just blasting a BB test dose of 400-600mg. This will give you everything you need with a proper diet. It is really a good idea to experiment some with lesss harsh cycles before jumping tren!

^^^ This. There is no reason to jump on the tren wagon yet. You have plenty of time for that and once you jump on tren where do you go the?
Also you are not going to gain anymore size from tren at this point than running a test cycle.

Keep things simple and try to do them as we suggest to everyone else. Being on TRT does not give you free run to do what you want when you want. I'm on TRT also. You/We still need to be careful and can get as screwed up as anyone else.

[warmouth]

I agree to start the Tren low, but I would personally suggest to use Deca first due to it being a bit less harsh and is the same composition as the tren (19-nor). It isnt the same compound, but the sides are generally easier on the user and will get your feet wet with 19-nors. Good luck!

EDIT- Just saw Lunks post. I would definitely do as he suggested and run the test higher if this is your first go at it. I should have read into this a bit more before jumping the gun. My fault. Sorry guys.

[BBJT200]

^^^ This. There is no reason to jump on the tren wagon yet. You have plenty of time for that and once you jump on tren where do you go the?
Also you are not going to gain anymore size from tren at this point than running a test cycle.

Keep things simple and try to do them as we suggest to everyone else. Being on TRT does not give you free run to do what you want when you want. I'm on TRT also. You/We still need to be careful and can get as screwed up as anyone else.

What's wrong with continuing to cycle tren? Once you find a compound that you like, you don't *need* to change it for future cycles.
What else is there to screw up? (aside from the obvious liver issues from orals, which I am trying to avoid anyway)

Throwing in 50mg tren ace EoD for 8 weeks IS keeping it simple...is it not? I'm prepared for the sides; If I feel like I can't handle them, I will discontinue use.
I'm much more interested in the fat loss properties and strength gains from tren than the actual muscle gain offered by tren/deca.
I am not going for that 'monster' look. In my profession, that would put me out of work.

Test is not really a reasonable option...or ANY aromatizing compound for that matter. The heartburn I get from AI's makes life unbearable. I have an issue with the valve between my esophagus and stomach which probably aggrivates the typical heartburn AI's cause.

[Soar]

They don't like monsters in the "adult film" industry?

[BBJT200]

Not in the part that I work, no.

[Lunk1]

What's wrong with continuing to cycle tren? Once you find a compound that you like, you don't *need* to change it for future cycles.
What else is there to screw up? (aside from the obvious liver issues from orals, which I am trying to avoid anyway)

Throwing in 50mg tren ace EoD for 8 weeks IS keeping it simple...is it not? I'm prepared for the sides; If I feel like I can't handle them, I will discontinue use.
I'm much more interested in the fat loss properties and strength gains from tren than the actual muscle gain offered by tren/deca.
I am not going for that 'monster' look. In my profession, that would put me out of work.

Test is not really a reasonable option...or ANY aromatizing compound for that matter. The heartburn I get from AI's makes life unbearable. I have an issue with the valve between my esophagus and stomach which probably aggrivates the typical heartburn AI's cause.

Keep in mind that tren is NOT a diet pill! One can truelly cut or bulk on any compound. PPL think Deca is a bulk only compound but reality is that with proper nutrition you can cut just as well on Deca as Tren.

The only TRUE advantage to Tren is that it is indeed the strongest AA and will give you the best ban for the buck in terms of strength gains...but in reality strength gains = muscle gains which means some bulking up! If your goal is to lose fat and you want to avoid orals and any DHT compounds then you have other choices!

In reality since you are already on TRT you do not need any AAS to "cut". Diet and cardio dictate this and you are already helping avoid muscle wasting while operating on a calorie defeciant diet due to your TRT dose.

If extra muscle is your goal you will need to up your calorie intake to achieve and more importantly sustain added growth! A low dose of Deca will do all you need and you avoid things like night sweats, added aggression, insomnia (this really sucks), higher BP issues and so on!

The other issue with Tren (although I'm sure you don't want to hear it) is your age. The reality is that MOST ppl of younger age cannot handle the mind fuk that alot of tren users experience. Lucid dreams and thoughts about women cheating and ppl around you being against you. Tren can really screw with some ppls minds in partbecause of the insomnia as well. Most young pplsimply are not mature enough to seperate tren thoughts from reality! I know this is the part where you tell me your different andmore mature than most but....maturity often comes from experience. This is why I am pushing a more mild 19nor. So that you can gain the experience that will give you a better ability to deal with Tren sides in a more mature manner when the time comes!

[COJACK]

What lunk said ×2 he knows his stuff listen!

[BBJT200]

Keep in mind that tren is NOT a diet pill! One can truelly cut or bulk on any compound. PPL think Deca is a bulk only compound but reality is that with proper nutrition you can cut just as well on Deca as Tren.

The only TRUE advantage to Tren is that it is indeed the strongest AA and will give you the best ban for the buck in terms of strength gains...but in reality strength gains = muscle gains which means some bulking up! If your goal is to lose fat and you want to avoid orals and any DHT compounds then you have other choices!

In reality since you are already on TRT you do not need any AAS to "cut". Diet and cardio dictate this and you are already helping avoid muscle wasting while operating on a calorie defeciant diet due to your TRT dose.

If extra muscle is your goal you will need to up your calorie intake to achieve and more importantly sustain added growth! A low dose of Deca will do all you need and you avoid things like night sweats, added aggression, insomnia (this really sucks), higher BP issues and so on!

The other issue with Tren (although I'm sure you don't want to hear it) is your age. The reality is that MOST ppl of younger age cannot handle the mind fuk that alot of tren users experience. Lucid dreams and thoughts about women cheating and ppl around you being against you. Tren can really screw with some ppls minds in partbecause of the insomnia as well. Most young pplsimply are not mature enough to seperate tren thoughts from reality! I know this is the part where you tell me your different andmore mature than most but....maturity often comes from experience. This is why I am pushing a more mild 19nor. So that you can gain the experience that will give you a better ability to deal with Tren sides in a more mature manner when the time comes!

That is very good, and well thought-out advice. Thank you, Lunk. I will keep all of that in mind. It is good to have guys like you around!

I am completely aware of how diet, cardio, and nutrition works. I achieved a pretty decent physique naturally by doing these things right; I just feel that on TRT at this point I have no reason not to test the waters a little bit. A mild dose of tren will probably not incite any of those side effects, but I am prepared and will watch out for it. I've got a couple buddies that I can keep an eye on me and keep me aware of what I'm doing, in case I don't see it. I'm actually pretty stoked about learning about a new type of HIIT and the fat loss it has given me; I'd just love to speed it up a little since I've been out of work for so long. The last 6+ months has been a disaster for me in terms of fat gain due to my all of the sudden failing testes.

If I can't handle the sides, tren ace will be out of my system quickly. Tren E will be saved for years down the road when I figure out what my body responds well to, if it responds well to tren at all.
Insomnia is nothing new to me; i've been dealing with it on and off my entire life. I know how to deal with it, how it makes me act differently, etc. I've also got prescribed meds to put me out if I really need it.

I've had quite a rough road in life and feel that mentally I'm pretty stable and comfortable with myself. I've got a pretty level head on my shoulders from some of the crap i've gone through (and barely survived, lol)

[Lunk1]

Best of luck! Feel free to holler if you have questions or need help.

[BBJT200]

Thanks bro. Will do!

And thank you everyone for all of the good input! If I could figure out how to rep+ I would LOL