Just started my first stack

[Justhikeit]

Well here it goes......

Weeks 1-10: 500mg Test Enath250 ( 1ml Twice per week)
Weeks 1-10: 250mg Deca250 - 250mg ( 0.5ml Twice per week)
Weeks 1-4: 40mg Turan per day
Weeks 1-13: 0.5mg Anastrozole per day

Stats 6ft tall, 185lbs, 16-18%bf (all in stomach and sides area) Test levels not in yet.

Anyone run this before? What do you think? Any problems or concerns I may run into?

I realize the anastrozole is probably not enough for pct. I was thinking about starting some hcg towards the end. Then a few weeks after last pin maybe some Clomid, Nolva, Aromasin ? Not sure? Recommendations? Amounts?

[Lunk1]

Sick him!!!!!

[panntastic]

Age?

Your diet needs work at your height you should be 200lbs plus

Can you post pic so we can estimate body fat%

[Justhikeit]

Age 31. I was pinched (9 point) at 16.5% just before Xmas. I have been focusing on loosing fat. I was a 260lb couch potato 3 years ago. I follow a paleo diet(no glutens/grains). I am now eating 2g of protien per lb. Also taking a gainer.

[Lunk1]

I would suggest some homework on AI's and PCT's!
1st cycle should be Test only (need to see how you react to each compound)

[Justhikeit]

I've run test and deca in my younger days. This is my first stack.

[gixxerboy1]

agreed you are off on your ai and pct.
even if you used test years ago, your using way more then you need now.

[Justhikeit]

I've seen this PCT
2500iu hcg every third day after last pin for weeks
Then start 100/100/100/50 clomid 50mg 3 weeks
20/20/20 Aromasin 3 weeks

[gixxerboy1]

I've seen this PCT
2500iu hcg every third day after last pin for weeks
Then start 100/100/100/50 clomid 50mg 3 weeks
20/20/20 Aromasin 3 weeks

not good pct at all.
hcg should be used on cycle not for pct.
thats high amounts of clomid and its ussually for 4 weeks
you need nolva in there also. typically 40/40/20/20
i dont use an ai on pct, but some do

[DanB]

i wouldnt bulk at that bodyfat ( i assume that is your intention) as you will add even more bodyfat and it alot harder to cut from 25-12% then 16-18-12% you know what I mean?

would you like a guide to walk you through cutting? i really think it is best option and you can still use aas while doing so if you alter the cycle slightly

[Justhikeit]

Please?

[Justhikeit]

I also have 500mg of test c. But other than that whats list is what i have on hand.

[gixxerboy1]

Please?

please what?
I dont get what your asking at this point

[Justhikeit]

It seemed like DanB was offering to help alter my current situation.

[DanB]

here is a few pics of b/f estimates, you will see what I mean about not wanting to add any more fat
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UOSSW6xZiVo

If I was you I would cut some bodyfat, general concensus is 15% but id go lower so that when you bulk afterwards you can afford to add a little fat and still have some defination
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g#.UOSTGaxZiVo

After my cut I would have a look at this guide to lean bulking, nice LBM with minimal fat
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...*#.UOSTNKxZiVo

it wont happen overnight, but if you set a target of say 6 months, sime dedication, hard work and cheat a little (steroids ) then you could be in pretty good shape and ready for the beach, pity you wont get much sun there though

[Justhikeit]

Great info thank you! Do you have a recomendation on altering my current cycle? Im only one pin in.

[Justhikeit]

This is what i have in my stash
500mg test e
500mg test c
250mg deca
10mg t-bol x 100tabs
1mg anastrozole x 60tabs
40mcg clen x 90 tabs
25mcg T3 x45 tabs

[DanB]

Great info thank you! Do you have a recomendation on altering my current cycle? Im only one pin in.

what are your goals?

[ecruz]

your bf is right on the border.. you may be better off dieting then hitting a cycle, now you said this is your first stack but you also said youve done test and deca now im not sure if youve done them together and if you have thats stacking! your cycle is a bit off "deca dose" and your pct is totally off. if i were you id start off on a simple test cycle then step it up from there.

[Justhikeit]

First off to lose the tire. But I also would like some major LM. I dont care what i weigh. I hit it hard at the gym. I eat way clean. I think just bad genetics.

[Justhikeit]

your bf is right on the border.. you may be better off dieting then hitting a cycle, now you said this is your first stack but you also said youve done test and deca now im not sure if youve done them together and if you have thats stacking! your cycle is a bit off "deca dose" and your pct is totally off. if i were you id start off on a simple test cycle then step it up from there.

Not together. Stupid kid being a follower.

[DanB]

First off to lose the tire. But I also would like some major LM. I dont care what i weigh. I hit it hard at the gym. I eat way clean. I think just bad genetics.

start with the sticky for cutting, its all in there, post your diet up then in nutrition section to mske sure it spot on before you start, since you have the clen on hand there is no harm to throw it in 2wk on/off to speed up the process, i like fasted cardio, 3-5 mornings a week i do 10k when cutting or just do 45mins at a decent jog before breakfast, it has to be on empty stomach this is the key, glycogen is depleted so body is basically forced to burn fat as its energy source, also no harm on some pwo cardio a couple of days a week aswell, you will be amazed the progress you make in 8 weeks if you get the diet spot on, plenty cardio and the clen if you choose to

then time to slowly increase cals and onto the lean bulk but dont worry about that yet, and I would just hang on for the 2 months before you start the cycle and you dont really have enough t3 to do alot with so keep that for the future, it wont go bad or anything

so first stop is get into that cutting thread, get it together and post it up in nutrition section, if you need any help before you post the diet then pm me and i'll give ya a hand, or if you dont have problems and post it up yourself, can you pm me with a link to it incase i miss it, you seem like your in the right frame of mind and serious about doing this so id like to follow your progress and offer any advise that i can along the way

[Lunk1]

Great offer here op^^^^^^your in great hands!

[DanB]

Great offer here op^^^^^^your in great hands!

shhhhhhhhhhhh

dont scare him off on me , been a while since i seen somebody that genuinely seemed to want it and not looking for a overnight transformation, i like people with his mentality

[Lunk1]

shhhhhhhhhhhh

dont scare him off on me , been a while since i seen somebody that genuinely seemed to want it and not looking for a overnight transformation, i like people with his mentality

My words are genuine! OP...to have someone like Dan who is very knowledgeable in AAS, nutrition and workouts to offer personal service is a great honor and it would be benificial to you for sure!

Dan is right...it is nice and RARE to see someone willing to put in true work and effort without simply expecting pop a pill and get big and strong overnight. Best of luck...I would love to see a log of your journey with Dan being involved!

[Justhikeit]

shhhhhhhhhhhh

dont scare him off on me , been a while since i seen somebody that genuinely seemed to want it and not looking for a overnight transformation, i like people with his mentality

Haha thank you! I do want it and i know it takes time. Like i said i was a 260lb lazy ass. Now i bust it like none other. But strength an muscle wise I've just been stuck in a groove i cant get out of. I do want some muscle (SOON) i've been putting in the work.
As far as my diet goes I'm not sure i can change it much. I feel so good while on the Paleo diet. I can up the protein from good sources and get more carbs from maybe sweet potatoes.

[DanB]

with the diet, check out the sticky i linked, the main thing about cutting is cals in versus out, you need a healthy deficit coming from something like a 60/30/10 pro/carb/fat split and then clen will also help, put it this way, id be confident that i would do what i mentioned in the timeframe i mentioned with ease, yes it may take a few days to a week for body to adjust to new diet but you will be fine and when you see changes each week in the mirror it motivates you even more to continue, there is nothing to say you cant gain LBM even while cutting, I have in the past, it isnt unheard of, and the fact that the fat being stripped off and giving defination kinda gives an illussion of gaining muscle also,

you just need to get those few weeks out of the way then you can gradually increase cals, jump on cycle and let the fun begin

what is your training split like, this is prob half the reason your strength is stuck, you need to mix it up, every 8 weeks or so i change routines, nothing drastic just swap the odd exercise for another, different posistion/angles, thats why you see people training 2yr with no progress, they got poor diet and same routine week in and week out

actually whats the macros of your current diet these days? and what you doing for cardio?

[DanB]

My words are genuine! OP...to have someone like Dan who is very knowledgeable in AAS, nutrition and workouts to offer personal service is a great honor and it would be benificial to you for sure!

Dan is right...it is nice and RARE to see someone willing to put in true work and effort without simply expecting pop a pill and get big and strong overnight. Best of luck...I would love to see a log of your journey with Dan being involved!

thank you lunk, nice to see somebody appreciates me around here lol hey i dont know it all, far from it, feel free to contribute or even set me straight if you feel im missing something, you have quite a bit of knowledge yourself so the more knowledgeable help the better for this man we have here

[Lunk1]

thank you lunk, nice to see somebody appreciates me around here lol hey i dont know it all, far from it, feel free to contribute or even set me straight if you feel im missing something, you have quite a bit of knowledge yourself so the more knowledgeable help the better for this man we have here

Considering the OP's BF% and goals...what do you think about him doing a nice 12-14 week Test E cycle while cutting, as a means of helping to preserve muscle while being on a calorie defiecent state?

I realize that both this way or cutting then adding gear to bulk are normal but I really like the idea of either recomp during cutting or lean, slow, consistant gains during bulk...

[Justhikeit]

with the diet, check out the sticky i linked, the main thing about cutting is cals in versus out, you need a healthy deficit coming from something like a 60/30/10 pro/carb/fat split and then clen will also help, put it this way, id be confident that i would do what i mentioned in the timeframe i mentioned with ease, yes it may take a few days to a week for body to adjust to new diet but you will be fine and when you see changes each week in the mirror it motivates you even more to continue, there is nothing to say you cant gain LBM even while cutting, I have in the past, it isnt unheard of, and the fact that the fat being stripped off and giving defination kinda gives an illussion of gaining muscle also,

you just need to get those few weeks out of the way then you can gradually increase cals, jump on cycle and let the fun begin

what is your training split like, this is prob half the reason your strength is stuck, you need to mix it up, every 8 weeks or so i change routines, nothing drastic just swap the odd exercise for another, different posistion/angles, thats why you see people training 2yr with no progress, they got poor diet and same routine week in and week out

actually whats the macros of your current diet these days? and what you doing for cardio?

I want to say around 45/25/30. Protein from lean meats and eggs, lots of veggies, almonds for fats, fruit in my post workout shake. I do HIIT twice a week for an hour (its a camp at my gym) In the evening. I hike 10-12miles on Sat or Sun. I lift with a personal trainer friend M,T,TH,F in the am. We do different angles, tempos, strongman, isometric....Its never stale it gets mixed up. I continue to get good soreness from my workouts.

[Justhikeit]

Considering the OP's BF% and goals...what do you think about him doing a nice 12-14 week Test E cycle while cutting, as a means of helping to preserve muscle while being on a calorie defiecent state?

I realize that both this way or cutting then adding gear to bulk are normal but I really like the idea of either recomp during cutting or lean, slow, consistant gains during bulk...

This is a similar recommendation on another forum. I was told by a few "vets" to drop the deca for sure. Keep the oral kick and test e or c.

[Justhikeit]

I take bcaa's, fish oil, glutemine and some c4 to wake up at 4am

[DanB]

Considering the OP's BF% and goals...what do you think about him doing a nice 12-14 week Test E cycle while cutting, as a means of helping to preserve muscle while being on a calorie defiecent state?

I realize that both this way or cutting then adding gear to bulk are normal but I really like the idea of either recomp during cutting or lean, slow, consistant gains during bulk...

This is what I myself do, I just recomp, maintenence cals and shit load of everything, but everything needs to be spot on, I just suggested my way because there is less to go wrong, if he put on any bodyfat now at all he fvcked and if he cuts he hasnt really got any LBM to lose (no offense op) so I thought that a few weeks cutting but definately with different macros, I dont like he current split at all do you lunk? but decent macros and 1% b/f while using clen is a very realistic goal, so he should get down to 12ish pretty handy

Then on cycle, some nice tbol to kickstart and roll on the LBM, I reckon he would grow like a weed with a basic 4day split

Basically yes I see what your saying, but I have also seen it go wrong far too many times, unless your pretty experienced then it better to pick one or the other rather then ending up with same b/f and little extra lbm, im sure you seen it too, on cycle you get damn hungry, the temptation to eat everything in front of you is huge, but if you trying to recomp then this cant happen, if bodyfat is lower though then you can get away with this now again

But good input thats why I asked you to, now the OP has 2 options

But Lunk do you argee that the diet will need work for whatever he does? that split is like mine when I eat too much fried food lol (again no offense)

[Lunk1]

This is what I myself do, I just recomp, maintenence cals and shit load of everything, but everything needs to be spot on, I just suggested my way because there is less to go wrong, if he put on any bodyfat now at all he fvcked and if he cuts he hasnt really got any LBM to lose (no offense op) so I thought that a few weeks cutting but definately with different macros, I dont like he current split at all do you lunk? but decent macros and 1% b/f while using clen is a very realistic goal, so he should get down to 12ish pretty handy

Then on cycle, some nice tbol to kickstart and roll on the LBM, I reckon he would grow like a weed with a basic 4day split

Basically yes I see what your saying, but I have also seen it go wrong far too many times, unless your pretty experienced then it better to pick one or the other rather then ending up with same b/f and little extra lbm, im sure you seen it too, on cycle you get damn hungry, the temptation to eat everything in front of you is huge, but if you trying to recomp then this cant happen, if bodyfat is lower though then you can get away with this now again

But good input thats why I asked you to, now the OP has 2 options

But Lunk do you argee that the diet will need work for whatever he does? that split is like mine when I eat too much fried food lol (again no offense)

I'm no diet guy god knows...I would think a 60/20/20 for now would head the op in the right position to drop the fat he disires but the compalint of not seeing gains has me concerned the cals may be too low. I would like to see a TDEE and macro breakdown!

[DanB]

yeah thay would work aswell, the extra fat will allow a little flavour on the food but id eat anything thats put infront of me, im blessed that way lol

the cals may be low but that split needs to go out the window i.m.o and also the trainer, he may be decent but i.m.e alot are useless when it comes to adding lbm, ive had them say deadlifts are pointless, i been told the weight i lifting is too heavy (they think i should do fvcking 5kg lateral raises or someshit) dropsets will do nothing only cause injury, all sorts of madness, unless a trainer was a bb'er i honestly wouldnt listen to a word they had to say

isometrics, strongman are not something i would personally utalise too much when trying to develop a muscle, in the week before i fight im fit, and i mean very fvcking fit, i could do a 1hr 30ish threadmill half marathon no problem but there is no way I can do 1hr HIIT, so either the OP should enter the 10,000m in the next olympics or the trainer dosnt really grasp the concept of hiit, the hiking aint too bad, but if i was in a serious cut then i would run not hike and fasted, if i was doing any endurance it would be a bike ride on hills etc, what ya reckon?

[Lunk1]

yeah thay would work aswell, the extra fat will allow a little flavour on the food but id eat anything thats put infront of me, im blessed that way lol

the cals may be low but that split needs to go out the window i.m.o and also the trainer, he may be decent but i.m.e alot are useless when it comes to adding lbm, ive had them say deadlifts are pointless, i been told the weight i lifting is too heavy (they think i should do fvcking 5kg lateral raises or someshit) dropsets will do nothing only cause injury, all sorts of madness, unless a trainer was a bb'er i honestly wouldnt listen to a word they had to say

isometrics, strongman are not something i would personally utalise too much when trying to develop a muscle, in the week before i fight im fit, and i mean very fvcking fit, i could do a 1hr 30ish threadmill half marathon no problem but there is no way I can do 1hr HIIT, so either the OP should enter the 10,000m in the next olympics or the trainer dosnt really grasp the concept of hiit, the hiking aint too bad, but if i was in a serious cut then i would run not hike and fasted, if i was doing any endurance it would be a bike ride on hills etc, what ya reckon?

Sorry...I just saw the 60/30/10 you suggested...

Cardio....WTH lol! 405 talked me into buying an elliptical and it's my only cardio now. Best bang for the buck when it comes to burning cals! My wife and I ride nearly 3000 miles in the summer so I do like biking as well but at 240lbs I do not run much...

I agree that your plan and some fasted cardio and the op is well on his way and goals achieved very soon. Like I said I would love to see a true log kept of this transformation if the OP is game. A trip over to nutrition for a TDEE check and diet post would be a great help.

I'm going to jump over to the sidelines now and watch you 2 work...best of luck OP!!!!

[DanB]

I think the we have fried the OP's brain, he sleeping, mabey we see him back tomorrow lol

[Justhikeit]

Yes fried. I have a lot of work ahead it seems.

[Justhikeit]

I'll get my numbers and diet inorder and shoot it to ya. I truely appreciate the help!

[ecruz]

Not together. Stupid kid being a follower.

watch your mouth Child!! your the one thats not together! get you facts straight then enter the lions den..