cutting in pct?

**xalos21** · 01-02-2013, 05:34 PM

I was wondering if u guys recommend cutting right after cycle? I got 3 weeks to go on my first cycle and I have put on almost 20lb. Went from 197lb. To 215lb, dropped 2.0 of body fat during. Bf @ start was 15.7 I'm at 14% now. Just not sure if cutting my calories during the pct will make me lose my gainz. Lol

**songdog** · 01-02-2013, 06:01 PM

Not a good idea Bro.You need to feed those new gains for a few weeks.Then start your cut.

**evander87** · 01-02-2013, 06:03 PM

Cutting calories during PCT and say goodbye to your gains. I learned that one the hard way.

**taaa** · 01-02-2013, 06:04 PM

your test levels are real low during pct, cutting and being in a semi catabolic stage with even lower test levels will kill your gains

**xalos21** · 01-02-2013, 06:14 PM

Thanks
Have any of you guys heard about the Russian bear 5000. Its a mass gainer high in calories and protein. And if so would would you recommended during my pct?

**evander87** · 01-02-2013, 06:39 PM

No I haven't heard of it but I would recommend just eating correctly during PCT. You have a new 215lbs body you need to learn to eat like 215lbs guy.

**xalos21** · 01-02-2013, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by evander87

No I haven't heard of it but I would recommend just eating correctly during PCT. You have a new 215lbs body you need to learn to eat like 215lbs guy.

Got it thanks

**MickeyKnox** · 01-02-2013, 06:57 PM

In fact, its recommended that you actually over eat during this critical time period. Your body is fragile and is trying to to reach homeostasis. Very important to feed it to assist in maintaining new mucsle growth and sustain it with additional calories.

Cutting during PCT is probably the worst thing you could do, imho.

**xalos21** · 01-02-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

In fact, its recommended that you actually over eat during this critical time period. Your body is fragile and is trying to to reach homeostasis. Very important to feed it to assist in maintaining new mucsle growth and sustain it with additional calories.

Cutting during PCT is probably the worst thing you could do, imho.

Thanks Mickey
Definitely going to keep eating I've heard that I might lose half of the weight I put on do you think that with proper diet in working out I can maintain the weight

**MickeyKnox** · 01-02-2013, 08:04 PM

Originally Posted by xalos21

Thanks Mickey
Definitely going to keep eating I've heard that I might lose half of the weight I put on do you think that with proper diet in working out I can maintain the weight

Most of it, yes.

And don't forget to get in and get out of the gym relatively quickly - 40mins tops. Keep the intensity but reduce the volume.

**xalos21** · 01-02-2013, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

Most of it, yes.

And don't forget to get in and get out of the gym relatively quickly - 40mins tops. Keep the intensity but reduce the volume.

Much appreciate thanks

**ellis7** · 01-02-2013, 10:40 PM

hahah each tub has only 3 servings , but each serving is 2,600 calories. Who are these people?? U realize it's a little protein, with a fuk ton of sugar???

**Atomini** · 01-02-2013, 11:02 PM

Originally Posted by MickeyKnox

In fact, its recommended that you actually over eat during this critical time period. Your body is fragile and is trying to to reach homeostasis. Very important to feed it to assist in maintaining new mucsle growth and sustain it with additional calories.

Cutting during PCT is probably the worst thing you could do, imho.

I actually strongly disagree with this, as I have posted about this many times through the forum. During the post-cycle period, you will have more Estrogen, less Testosterone , more Cortisol, high Myostatin, and high SHBG floating around your system, and excess calories are more likely to store as fat. Without the high levels of nutrient partitioning anabolic steroids in your system from your cycle, more of your consumed calories will be shuttled towards fat instead of being channelled to muscle repair/growth. I learned this the hard way. I made the mistake of doing this for 3 months following my first cycle once, and I put on A LOT of fat. I did it because back when I was inexperienced, every damn momo told me to do it or else I would "lose my gains". It's a bunch of crap that seems to be parroted alot for no reason. I advise dropping cals down to maintenance (your NEW maintenance after your gains from cycle) calories.

**MickeyKnox** · 01-02-2013, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

I actually strongly disagree with this, as I have posted about this many times through the forum. During the post-cycle period, you will have more Estrogen, less Testosterone , more Cortisol, high Myostatin, and high SHBG floating around your system, and excess calories are more likely to store as fat. Without the high levels of nutrient partitioning anabolic steroids in your system from your cycle, more of your consumed calories will be shuttled towards fat instead of being channelled to muscle repair/growth. I learned this the hard way. I made the mistake of doing this for 3 months following my first cycle once, and I put on A LOT of fat. I did it because back when I was inexperienced, every damn momo told me to do it or else I would "lose my gains". It's a bunch of crap that seems to be parroted alot for no reason. I advise dropping cals down to maintenance (your NEW maintenance after your gains from cycle) calories.

I disagree with your disagreement.

It has been proven (ill dig up the article bro) that increasing your cals, during PCT not 3 mos down the road, will promote mucsle gains and muscle retention because of the required additional cals to protect your newly developed mucsle.

The argument about E2 levels being too high is weak, imho, as this should be controlled during cycle and leading up to PCT. If your E2 is in check when beginning PCT, your Test levels will rise accordingly along with E2 and HPTA restart should coincide and gel nicely to produce a smooth return to homeostasis.

**Atomini** · 01-02-2013, 11:17 PM

When I said 3 months, I didn't mean 3 months down the road. I really did mean I ate a lot for the 3 months after my cycle (this means into PCT and everything). Remember that when on AAS, the body can utilize the majority of 5,000 - 6,000 calories a day to build muscle due to the strong nutrient partitioning effects of AAS. When off AAS (and especially during PCT), the body can not use that much, and the huge surplus will be stored as fat, you know that. The body is nevertheless going to add body fat quickly if we carry on eating as if we were trying to pack on muscle fast as we would during the actual cycle itself.

Instead, I think that calories should be cut to maintenance or slightly above (my preference) – not so low that we put our body in a state where it loses muscle, but at the same time not eating so far above maintenance that we gain a large amount of body fat. Eating at around maintenance or just above, with the addition of appropriate PCT supplements should help to ensure we are consuming enough calories to prevent muscle breakdown while limiting the prospect for fat gain.

**MickeyKnox** · 01-02-2013, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Atomini

When I said 3 months, I didn't mean 3 months down the road. I really did mean I ate a lot for the 3 months after my cycle (this means into PCT and everything). Remember that when on AAS, the body can utilize the majority of 5,000 - 6,000 calories a day to build muscle due to the strong nutrient partitioning effects of AAS. When off AAS (and especially during PCT), the body can not use that much, and the huge surplus will be stored as fat, you know that. The body is nevertheless going to add body fat quickly if we carry on eating as if we were trying to pack on muscle fast as we would during the actual cycle itself.

Instead, I think that calories should be cut to maintenance or slightly above (my preference) – not so low that we put our body in a state where it loses muscle, but at the same time not eating so far above maintenance that we gain a large amount of body fat. Eating at around maintenance or just above, with the addition of appropriate PCT supplements should help to ensure we are consuming enough calories to prevent muscle breakdown while limiting the prospect for fat gain.

Ok. I guess were on the same page except we're splitting hairs over some cals.

Im glad you didn't swamp me with Lego models of atom structures.

**warmouth** · 01-03-2013, 12:19 AM

I think cutting soon after a cycle is a bad idea just because you NEED to hold onto the gains made as long as possible so you dont lose as much. To many people cycle, then start to cut right after thinking they will show off the hard earned muscle right away. This is no true. You are more likely thannot to lose more muscle in this process because your body has not fully accepted the new muscle because it hasnt been on very long. I say, feed the weight and gain even more naturally before cutting to maximize keeping as much as possible.

**xalos21** · 01-03-2013, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by warmouth

I think cutting soon after a cycle is a bad idea just because you NEED to hold onto the gains made as long as possible so you dont lose as much. To many people cycle, then start to cut right after thinking they will show off the hard earned muscle right away. This is no true. You are more likely thannot to lose more muscle in this process because your body has not fully accepted the new muscle because it hasnt been on very long. I say, feed the weight and gain even more naturally before cutting to maximize keeping as much as possible.

Im at 3600- 4000 Cal. A day I think that I'll jump it 500 and play with it as I go.