Whats ecdysterone??

[miguel700707]

I've been looking up at it and says it helps build muscle anybody have any experience on this supplemnt?

[Atomini]

Oh, Ecdysterone (AKA 20-Hydroxyecdysone)... a piece of crap supplement that was marketed as a "steroid without side effects" a long time ago, and I remember being back in high school when this garbage was being talked about (circa 2001 or 2002 if I remember correctly).

Ecdysterone is a steroid hormone that is not found in mammals but is instead an insect moulting hormone found in ants, crabs, and a few other arthropods. It's a god damn insect steroid that was hyped up as being an anabolic steroid (of which, it is NOT!!!). Even if this hormone was 'anabolic' at all, it doesn't do a damn thing in humans because humans do not possess ecdysone receptors, which are the receptors located in arthropods such as ants, which is what Ecdysterone binds to. Just because this hormone is of a steroidal nature, supplement companies took advantage of the general public's lack of education regarding steroids , anabolic steroids , what they are, and why not all steroids are anabolic steroids, etc. and started marketing it, as I mentioned earlier, "a steroid hormone with zero side effects". Yeah, zero side effects in humans because it doesn't do anything in us - it's a hormone not even meant for humans. I remember someone coming up to me in class in high school who said to me "hey, did you know they recently discovered a steroid that has no side effects at all?" and I knew it was bullshit back then (early 2000s). But then a study was conducted on Ecdysterone in 2006 that was designed to monitor any performance increases and benefits in male test subjects as a result of Ecdysterone use. In this study, exercises and lifts were monitord as well as things like BMI, bodyfat %, and free and total Testosterone in each test subject so as to track what effects Ecdysterone may have dosed at 200mg daily, and the conclusion was: NO EFFECT AT ALL(1). I also had a buddy who went and bought it back in 2006 to try it out. Guess what happened? NOTHING.

You know what the other name for this kind of stuff is? Snake oil.

Don't buy this stuff unless you WANT to flush your money down the toilet. And if you are going to buy something like this, PM me because I also have a bridge to sell you.

REFERENCES:
1. Effects of Methoxyisoflavone, Ecdysterone, and Sulfo-Polysaccharide Supplementation on Training Adaptations in Resistance-Trained Males. Wilborn, Colin D; Taylor, Lemuel W; Campbell, Bill I; Kerksick, Chad; Rasmussen, Chris J; Greenwood, Michael; Kreider, Richard B (2006). Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 3 (2): 19. doi:10.1186/1550-2783-3-2-19

[miguel700707]

Oh, Ecdysterone (AKA 20-Hydroxyecdysone)... a piece of crap supplement that was marketed as a "steroid without side effects" a long time ago, and I remember being back in high school when this garbage was being talked about (circa 2001 or 2002 if I remember correctly).

Ecdysterone is a steroid hormone that is not found in mammals but is instead an insect moulting hormone found in ants, crabs, and a few other arthropods. It's a god damn insect steroid that was hyped up as being an anabolic steroid (of which, it is NOT!!!). Even if this hormone was 'anabolic' at all, it doesn't do a damn thing in humans because humans do not possess ecdysone receptors, which are the receptors located in arthropods such as ants, which is what Ecdysterone binds to. Just because this hormone is of a steroidal nature, supplement companies took advantage of the general public's lack of education regarding steroids , anabolic steroids , what they are, and why not all steroids are anabolic steroids, etc. and started marketing it, as I mentioned earlier, "a steroid hormone with zero side effects". Yeah, zero side effects in humans because it doesn't do anything in us - it's a hormone not even meant for humans. I remember someone coming up to me in class in high school who said to me "hey, did you know they recently discovered a steroid that has no side effects at all?" and I knew it was bullshit back then (early 2000s). But then a study was conducted on Ecdysterone in 2006 that was designed to monitor any performance increases and benefits in male test subjects as a result of Ecdysterone use. In this study, exercises and lifts were monitord as well as things like BMI, bodyfat %, and free and total Testosterone in each test subject so as to track what effects Ecdysterone may have dosed at 200mg daily, and the conclusion was: NO EFFECT AT ALL(1). I also had a buddy who went and bought it back in 2006 to try it out. Guess what happened? NOTHING.

You know what the other name for this kind of stuff is? Snake oil.

Don't buy this stuff unless you WANT to flush your money down the toilet. And if you are going to buy something like this, PM me because I also have a bridge to sell you.

REFERENCES:
1. Effects of Methoxyisoflavone, Ecdysterone, and Sulfo-Polysaccharide Supplementation on Training Adaptations in Resistance-Trained Males. Wilborn, Colin D; Taylor, Lemuel W; Campbell, Bill I; Kerksick, Chad; Rasmussen, Chris J; Greenwood, Michael; Kreider, Richard B (2006). Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition 3 (2): 19. doi:10.1186/1550-2783-3-2-19

Ok lol thanks !

[Atomini]

Not a problem.

I'm actually baffled that I saw the word 'Ecdysterone' come up on the forum here. I thought the hype over this crap died out back in the mid 2000s when it was confirmed to be a scam and a waste of money. When I was browsing the Q&A section and I saw the name of this thread, my eyes popped out.

How did you hear about it? And did you do any research on it before posting here?

[miguel700707]

Not a problem.

I'm actually baffled that I saw the word 'Ecdysterone' come up on the forum here. I thought the hype over this crap died out back in the mid 2000s when it was confirmed to be a scam and a waste of money. When I was browsing the Q&A section and I saw the name of this thread, my eyes popped out.

How did you hear about it? And did you do any research on it before posting here?

Yea I saw a thread on another website and they were sayin it worked so I wanted to see what other ppl thought about it. Some guy on *************.com on a forum said to try it cause it worked for him. But idk

[Atomini]

That's funny, because it hasn't ever been clinically proven to do what the supplement manufacturers claim it does, and we have one study that has already proven it does absolutely nothing. I saw it for myself in a buddy who used it, and it didn't do a thing for him.

I wouldn't spend my money on it personally. There's plenty of reputable literature you can find that explains why it's a load of hokey pokey, such as this I just found on google:

Q:

Recently, I have been reading a lot about the supplement, Ecdysterone. However, I realize that you do not sell this supplement and I try only to use your products since I feel you are at the top of the supplement industry. Are you planning on introducing this product or are you researching it? I would appreciate any insight that you can give me.

A:

I'm afraid you are hearing the same old song that supplement companies sing over and over again. Another new supplement with a lot of wild claims about it. All the claims are made with insinuation that there is research to back them up.

Ecdysterone or is plant sterol. Sterol not steroid . Plant sterols are natural evolutionary substances manufactured within plants that provide nutrients primarily to insects and some small animals.

To date there is no valid research indicating that 20 Beta-Hydroxyecdysterone (Ecdysterone) provides any legitimate anabolic (muscle building) effect in humans. Absolutely no published research. What little research there is on this compound is devoted to insects and rats. That's right - insects.

Most of the animal studies were performed on maturing (growing) rats or disease inflicted rats. Most all of these studies were performed in Russia and were crudely designed and the methods used for data collection and control were poor at best. The rat studies also used dosages that are equivalent to about 500 milligram dose for an average human. That equals about 12 to 15 capsules daily of the stuff I've seen on the market.

Sterols were promoted heavily in the 80s' but quickly fell by the wayside simply because they didn't work. They didn't work then and putting them in a bottle with a new label isn't going to make them work now. Ecdysterone is a sterol that has hormonal effect in insects. Promoting it as an anabolic supplement for human use void of any legitimate research is a disgrace that no legitimate company and certainly no scientist would endorse.

Here at AST Sports Science we can produce and sell any supplement we want. But you'll notice that we do not sell a supplement just because it's "hot" or being hyped heavily by the magazine/supplement companies. We produce supplements that produce results. We don't dig up obscure research and try to justify why we are pushing a new product. We let the science dictate our product development and in doing so have and continue to produce state of the art Performance supplements that produce results.

Sit back and watch the hype thicken onecdysterone supplements. The companies will run their ads and shovel the bull. Resist the urge to be taken in by these snake oil companies that insist on stealing your money. Then as time passes and the hype fades watch as this worthless garbage retires to the supplement junkyard.

In the meantime look at the science. Stick to the supplements that are scientifically supported. Supplements that produce what they promise. We'll continue to push the envelope on researching new Performance supplements, nutrition, and training methods. We'll continue to let the science guide our product development. And we'll also continue to keep you informed on the supplement quackery that so many companies rely on to keep them afloat.

[MuscleInk]

That's funny, because it hasn't ever been clinically proven to do what the supplement manufacturers claim it does, and we have one study that has already proven it does absolutely nothing. I saw it for myself in a buddy who used it, and it didn't do a thing for him.

I wouldn't spend my money on it personally. There's plenty of reputable literature you can find that explains why it's a load of hokey pokey, such as this I just found on google:

There's two simple reasons why the supplement/nutraceutical industry is a billion dollar a year enterprise: (1) lack of rigorous testing and regulations; (2) marketing!!!!!

Few products deliver on all the hype.

[Atomini]

There's two simple reasons why the supplement/nutraceutical industry is a billion dollar a year enterprise: (1) lack of rigorous testing and regulations; (2) marketing!!!!!

Few products deliver on all the hype.

You forgot one more: (3) ignorant people who will gullibly buy anything without questioning its claims.

[MuscleInk]

You forgot one more: (3) ignorant people who will gullibly buy anything without questioning its claims.

THAT should be the first point!

[Atomini]

Yes i'm pretty sure if our society was full of critical thinkers that can make rational logical decisions and conclusions on their own, we wouldn't have a bogus supplement industry making billions in the first place. Unfortunately this isn't the case, and as PT Barnum once said, "there's a sucker born every minute".

[Alinjr]

Is this guy out for some real info or just pulling everybody's leg? lol