New cycle.. Please comment!!

**fontazya** · 01-03-2013, 07:53 PM

Hey guys planning my next cycle and looking more for a cut this time.. i am 26 years old about 6ft tall and about 200lbs.. currently about 15% BF.. looking to drop to about 8-9% BF and hopefully adding some muscle in the process.. i have done 3 cycles in the past consisting about test, tbol, anavar , masteron .. this will be my first cycle using tren .. it will look something like this

Weeks 1-10 Test E 500mg/week
weeks 5-10 Tren Ace 100mg EOD
Weeks 1-4 Tbol 80mg/day
Adex throughout cycle 0.5mg EOD (adjust as necessary)

Have nolva and clomid for pct.. as well as HCG and caber..
I dont have access to test prop so that is not an option.. anything else u guys would change/add??
should i use caber straight away when i start tren??
Diet is pretty clean going to be taking in about 3000 calories/day then reduce as i lose BF..

thanks for the feedback!!

**fontazya** · 01-03-2013, 07:58 PM

I also have access to 45IU of HGH.. i also have never used GH before.. is it worth throwing in say 1 IU/day for 5 days on/ 2 off?? this way it will last 9 weeks..

**Flawdaboy** · 01-03-2013, 08:24 PM

Used tren with test e on my last cycle loved it, but i didnt get much help in the cut department from it maybe that just cause i went into it pretty cut. If i were you id use winny instead, never have used winny but a buddy of mine did and he shed fat better than a crack diet. Dont know anything about hgh though, have heard some buds used it and had terrible side affects. Sorry i cant be of more help. Doses look good though.

**MickeyKnox** · 01-03-2013, 08:38 PM

Actually it looks pretty good - too bad you don't have prop though. But no worries, you have it covered nicely the way you have set it up. Good job btw.

Add hCG on cycle @ 250iu 2/wk, not in PCT.

Caber on hand, but you may not need it if you control your E2 properly.

Other than that, diet determines your body fat as you know, not AAS.

Good luck.

**songdog** · 01-03-2013, 08:42 PM

Cycle looks good but forget the HGH it needs to be run for 6mos min.

**fontazya** · 01-03-2013, 09:03 PM

thanks for the feedback guys!.. Yeah HCG on cycle 250IU twice a week and i may do a little blast before i start PCT.. I dont wanna use winny because of the effect on hair and joints.. heard some nasty stuff about it..
Yeah i think i may just save the GH for later once ive saved up more.. stuff is so expensive..

Would nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25 sufficient for this cycle??

**MickeyKnox** · 01-03-2013, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by fontazya

thanks for the feedback guys!.. Yeah HCG on cycle 250IU twice a week and i may do a little blast before i start PCT.. I dont wanna use winny because of the effect on hair and joints.. heard some nasty stuff about it..
Yeah i think i may just save the GH for later once ive saved up more.. stuff is so expensive..

Would nolva 40/40/20/20 and clomid 50/50/25/25 sufficient for this cycle??

Yup. No worries.

**kelkel** · 01-03-2013, 09:25 PM

I'd change a couple things IMHO. I'd up the test E to 12 weeks. I'd reduce the adex to .25 eod which is more the standard. You can always titrate up if needed. First time with Tren consider starting with 50mg eod. Again, you can always go up.

**fontazya** · 01-03-2013, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

I'd change a couple things IMHO. I'd up the test E to 12 weeks. I'd reduce the adex to .25 eod which is more the standard. You can always titrate up if needed. First time with Tren consider starting with 50mg eod. Again, you can always go up.

Thanks for that mate yeah i think i will start with 0.25mg adex EOD.. unfortunately i cant go for 12 weeks with the test due to travelling but i am going to try to make it 12 if possible.. do u think 50mg eod tren is enough to yield good results??
thanks again!

**Lunk1** · 01-03-2013, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by fontazya

Thanks for that mate yeah i think i will start with 0.25mg adex EOD.. unfortunately i cant go for 12 weeks with the test due to travelling but i am going to try to make it 12 if possible.. do u think 50mg eod tren is enough to yield good results??
thanks again!

Like Kel...I would adjust a few things.
1)as suggestes adex at .25 EOD
2)Tren 3-10 (8weeks)
3) Test lower at 150mg EW
4) first run with tren..start at 50 for the first week or 2 and adjust up if sides are bearable. 50mg EOD is a good dose (remember it's equal to 875mg Test EW)
5) have the diet woked over in nutrition!

**kelkel** · 01-03-2013, 09:50 PM

Short answer, yes. It's 5 times more powerful than test so basically 200mg total per week X 5! You can finish the math! Also your first run with it. So, a thought is to start slow, monitor sides and you can bump it if all is well, IMO.

Op, Lunk's and my numbers are basically the same. I rounded up to 4 injects per week and he went with 3.5. Just so it doesn't confuse ya!

**Stosh_112** · 01-04-2013, 02:09 AM

I agree with lowering ur test to reduce the possibility of bloat since ur trying to cut.

**fontazya** · 01-04-2013, 02:24 AM

How much test do u recommend per week then?? Should I front load to make test kick in quicker???

**Lunk1** · 01-04-2013, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by fontazya

How much test do u recommend per week then?? Should I front load to make test kick in quicker???

Post #10...I gave you the answer!

**kelkel** · 01-04-2013, 09:01 AM

Op, if you choose to go that route with a maintenance level of test, which is a great course IMO, you will have to adjust your AI dosage down to compensate. Injecting test twice per week you may or may not need the AI. Only you know your body and obviously BW is the key, but not always feasable. If you do need an AI it will be the absolute minimum dosage 24hrs after injection, IMHO.

Lunk and I have talked about this in depth many times and it really is a great way to go, depending on your goals!

**fontazya** · 01-04-2013, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Op, if you choose to go that route with a maintenance level of test, which is a great course IMO, you will have to adjust your AI dosage down to compensate. Injecting test twice per week you may or may not need the AI. Only you know your body and obviously BW is the key, but not always feasable. If you do need an AI it will be the absolute minimum dosage 24hrs after injection, IMHO.

Lunk and I have talked about this in depth many times and it really is a great way to go, depending on your goals!

That's a very low level of test only 150mg/week.. I've heard of running test lower and tren higher before but just worried about libido issues.. Any of u guys notice a problem with only 150mg test??

**Lunk1** · 01-04-2013, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by fontazya

That's a very low level of test only 150mg/week.. I've heard of running test lower and tren higher before but just worried about libido issues.. Any of u guys notice a problem with only 150mg test??

Guys run that amount or lower all the time for TRT and have skyrocketing labido. Your test level doesnt have to run 2400 in order to stay functional!

**fontazya** · 01-04-2013, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Guys run that amount or lower all the time for TRT and have skyrocketing labido. Your test level doesnt have to run 2400 in order to stay functional!

Thanks for the help mate will try low test then and start with tren 50mg EOD and increase as necessary to 100mg EOD..

**fontazya** · 01-04-2013, 08:59 PM

Would u recommend front loading the test first week then since I'm using a low dose??

**kelkel** · 01-04-2013, 10:09 PM

Not necessary to frontload it. The idea is to let the tren do the work for you. It will.

Have you by chance read the All you need to know about Tren sticky thread? If not, do so. Great read.

**Lunk1** · 01-04-2013, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by fontazya

Thanks for the help mate will try low test then and start with tren 50mg EOD and increase as necessary to 100mg EOD..

50 to 75 to 100...baby steps! I would stay as low as I could and still getting results. When you creap up around that 400mg EW mark, it's where the nasty sides usually show!

Originally Posted by fontazya

Would u recommend front loading the test first week then since I'm using a low dose??

NOOOOO! This woulkd go against the whole premice of keeping test low!

Originally Posted by kelkel

Not necessary to frontload it. The idea is to let the tren do the work for you. It will.

Have you by chance read the All you need to know about Tren sticky thread? If not, do so. Great read.

This guy knows his shyt^^^^^

OP, do you fully grasp the no or low AI and PRL control idea. If not holla...pm if ya wish!

**fontazya** · 01-05-2013, 02:27 AM

thanks for help guys just gotta grasp the idea of running test low never really run it less than 500mg/week.. cant wait to try!!

**valkyrie** · 01-05-2013, 03:13 AM

You done good here.

I agree about the HGH though. Sort of. I really dont think it always takes six months to get a benefit. Not at all... but 1iu ED isn't going to cut it. Hold it and get some more or trade it for something you can use. Curious to see how that tbol goes for you. Intersting as a kicker not a finisher. Solid cut stack for real if your diet and training is on point you should kill it.

**fontazya** · 01-05-2013, 05:00 AM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

You done good here.

I agree about the HGH though. Sort of. I really dont think it always takes six months to get a benefit. Not at all... but 1iu ED isn't going to cut it. Hold it and get some more or trade it for something you can use. Curious to see how that tbol goes for you. Intersting as a kicker not a finisher. Solid cut stack for real if your diet and training is on point you should kill it.

I have used tbol as a kicker before and loved it.. Best oral in my opinion.. Thanks man just gotta get my diet in place I've done it before just so hard eating so clean!