First Newb Cycle - advice

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 05:08 PM

First time poster.. So please dont bash me too much. I've done some decent reading before actually making this post. I've been lifting steadily for about 5 years now, 24 years old 180 lbs and around 12-13 % BF. Diet in check high protien 1.5ish g per lb of bodyweight with moderate carbs and fats.

I've finally decided to take the jump into the anabolic world. Please review/advise on cycle thus far.

I'm going to make my purchase through a nice guy named "EDITED" I assume some of you may know this supplier.

The cycle I plan on running is 5-600mg of T/week

1mg armidex/day

And then 3 weeks of clomid as PCT.

Please advise/critique what you all think since you are far more experienced. Thanks for all help and advice!

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

First time poster.. So please dont bash me too much. I've done some decent reading before actually making this post. I've been lifting steadily for about 5 years now, 24 years old 180 lbs and around 12-13 % BF. Diet in check high protien 1.5ish g per lb of bodyweight with moderate carbs and fats.

I've finally decided to take the jump into the anabolic world. Please review/advise on cycle thus far.

I'm going to make my purchase through a nice guy named "XXXXXX" I assume some of you may know this supplier.

The cycle I plan on running is 5-600mg of T/week

1mg armidex/day

And then 3 weeks of clomid as PCT.

Please advise/critique what you all think since you are far more experienced. Thanks for all help and advice!

1mg of Adex daily is unnecessary. Start with 0.25mg EOD.

Are you incorporating HCG during cycle?

Typical PCT is 4 weeks with tamox and clomid.

EDIT: Post your nutrition plan in the nutrition section of the forum for critique.

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 05:27 PM

What test are you running this will determine when pct starts and how long you planning on running it for?

1mg adex for your proposed dose of test is far too much for 90+% of people in my guesstimation, for a dose like that I advise 0.25mg eod and start from there but for me that is fine unless i up the test,

Pct for 4 weeks, again the start time depends on type of test used
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 40/40/20/20

thats the usual that is advised all day every day and i used it myself and it is fine, consider using hcg on cycle, there is a sticky on it in the pct section, it will make recovery easier and maintain size and function of your balls, which personally I like to have

You need to edit out the name of the supplier it isnt allowed on the open forum, but is he on this board?

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 05:28 PM

Muscleink you type too fast, have you been abusing your powers again and ona nother adderall rampage?

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

Muscleink you type too fast, have you been abusing your powers again and ona nother adderall rampage?

Yes, but you were more thorough in your response. I was too busy tweaking out!

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 05:32 PM

The supplier is no one from these forums, the name is irrelevant but I assumed some may know whom/what source I am referencing. The test is enthanate. TBH all I had read didnt seem to mention anything about HCG , I honestly hadn't considered it. Figured it was best to keep the cycle fairly simple since its a first run, perhaps I am incorrect.

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by MuscleInk

Yes, but you were more thorough in your response. I was too busy tweaking out!

send me some and it will force you to lower dose and you will be more effecient, its a win/win, i'll send my address lol, (op this aint for real incase your wondering) actually MI is it?haha

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

The supplier is no one from these forums, the name is irrelevant but I assumed some may know whom/what source I am referencing. The test is enthanate. TBH all I had read didnt seem to mention anything about HCG, I honestly hadn't considered it. Figured it was best to keep the cycle fairly simple since its a first run, perhaps I am incorrect.

Well, the HCG will held stimulate the leydig cells and reverse any testicular atrophy that may occur.....unless you like "raisin balls".

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

send me some and it will force you to lower dose and you will be more effecient, its a win/win, i'll send my address lol, (op this aint for real incase your wondering) actually MI is it?haha

Lol......no adderall (today).

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 05:36 PM

The raisin balls will make my dick look bigger no? I mean sounds like a benefit more than anything.

No but seriously, as using an anti estro such as the armi I figured that would help with the testies.

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

The supplier is no one from these forums, the name is irrelevant but I assumed some may know whom/what source I am referencing. The test is enthanate. TBH all I had read didnt seem to mention anything about HCG, I honestly hadn't considered it. Figured it was best to keep the cycle fairly simple since its a first run, perhaps I am incorrect.

then use the pct advised above 14 days after last pin of cycle, your right keep it simple, but hcg is simple and only benefical, its up to you but its cheap, easy to get, easy to admisinster, and makes recovery easier, maintains testes, because of all that i always use it, just seems a waste not to when its so benefical and easy

you still need to edit out the name mate regardless, this aint me its the rules set by the owner of the site so please respect it thanks
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...2#.UOdoUqxZiVo

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

The raisin balls will make my dick look bigger no? I mean sounds like a benefit more than anything.

No but seriously, as using an anti estro such as the armi I figured that would help with the testies.

nope an a.i will do nothing for size of testes on cycle, It disables or destroys (depending on what you use) the aromatase enzyme and as far as Im aware thats about it, MI will correct that if Im wrong......... and he is still typing too fast

im just looking like im repeating everything he saying lol

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

The raisin balls will make my dick look bigger no? I mean sounds like a benefit more than anything.

No but seriously, as using an anti estro such as the armi I figured that would help with the testies.

The testicular atrophy occurs because you are shutting your natural testosterone down with an exogenous supply. Adex is an AI that blocks/limits the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen. That should have been covered in your reading.

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by DanB

nope an a.i will do nothing for size of testes on cycle, It disables or destroys (depending on what you use) the aromatase enzyme and as far as Im aware thats about it, MI will correct that if Im wrong.........

You're golden Dan! No correction needed.

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 05:54 PM

Gosh it would appeaer my reading is not complete.. Everything i keep scanning over seems that the Test stacked with nolva or armi, then clomid as pct is enough. It appears as though I am wrong, if any of you have a link to anything about this it would be apprecaited. If not, I truly do appreciate the help to this point.

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

Gosh it would appeaer my reading is not complete.. Everything i keep scanning over seems that the Test stacked with nolva or armi, then clomid as pct is enough. It appears as though I am wrong, if any of you have a link to anything about this it would be apprecaited. If not, I truly do appreciate the help to this point.

Start here:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UOdt-UK9Kc0

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

Gosh it would appeaer my reading is not complete.. Everything i keep scanning over seems that the Test stacked with nolva or armi, then clomid as pct is enough. It appears as though I am wrong, if any of you have a link to anything about this it would be apprecaited. If not, I truly do appreciate the help to this point.

you can run clomid only pct, there is nobody to stop you, and I would only use Nolvadex on cycle if I was getting gyno symptoms, if your a.i is doing its job then this isnt possible so the serm (nolva) isnt needed

but nolva and clomid for pct is more effective, check out some of the stickys in the pct section, there is a abundance of information on all the various SERMS and their roles/function

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 06:12 PM

Thank you both very much for the help and advice. If there was a way to send reps to you both, I certainly would.

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

Thank you both very much for the help and advice. If there was a way to send reps to you both, I certainly would.

We're here to help!

**DanB** · 01-04-2013, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

Thank you both very much for the help and advice. If there was a way to send reps to you both, I certainly would.

No need but thanks anyway, if your unsure on anything else then just bump the thread, and make sure you have a read up on the SERMS, its good to understand why they are used for x rather then y and what they actually, it better to know rather then somebody just telling you to but you have no idea what they actually do, this is why there is so much bad info spread around gyms, people just do what somebody says instead of taking the info and then researching it, you know what i mean? in this game knowledge is a massive advantage

**BraveT** · 01-04-2013, 07:12 PM

Im not able to pm either one of you.. Is there another way to contact either one of you for a question or two in private if youre up to it?

**MuscleInk** · 01-04-2013, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by BraveT

Im not able to pm either one of you.. Is there another way to contact either one of you for a question or two in private if youre up to it?

I believe you need about 50 posts and be a member for about 30 days (could be wrong on the latter) for the PM feature to be enabled.

Unfortunately I don't give out private contact details until I've known a member long enough and we've established a good rapport. Risks are too high exchanging info with someone you don't know well, especially with the substances we discuss here and the legalities of it all.