First cutting cycle need help

**svenman19** · 01-05-2013, 11:23 PM

Hey my stats are age 23 5'8 175lbs with bodyfat 12-13%. This will be my third cycle.
1st cycle: test e and dbol
2nd cycle: sustanon and dbol

I'm planning this cycle for mid February so I have time to slim down to 10% bodyfat. My goal is to gain 5-10 pounds of lean muscle and drop a few %bf.

Here are my cycle ideas

#1
Week 1-10 test prop 150 eod
Week 2-10 mast prop 100 eod
Week 5-10 winstrol 75 ed
Week 1-10 arimidex .25 e3d

#2
Week 1-10 test prop 150 eod
Week 3-10 tren A 75-100 eod
Week 5-10 winstrol 75 eod
Week 1-10 arimidex .25 e3d
Week3-10 caber ???

Any help would be great. And if there's a better cycle I'd love to know. Thanks!!

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-06-2013, 01:28 AM

What are your nutrition and cardio ideas for cutting?

**svenman19** · 01-06-2013, 07:47 AM

Lift 4 days a week, run a mile on days I lift, other 3 days in the week I run 3 miles

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-06-2013, 11:23 AM

OK. What about nutrition?

Reason I am asking about your nutritional plan is that for some reason I am getting the feeling that you are in a state of mind where the so called ''cutting compounds'' will do the job and that you will get you down to a lower BF%.

**svenman19** · 01-06-2013, 12:53 PM

My diet will be spot on, about 2500 calories only carbs will be from veggies and sweet potatoes and rice

**svenman19** · 01-08-2013, 11:50 PM

Would it be possible to run my prop week 1-8 150mg eod and use mast prop 1-8 500 a week

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-09-2013, 02:01 AM

Originally Posted by svenman19

Would it be possible to run my prop week 1-8 150mg eod and use mast prop 1-8 500 a week

Yes, it is perfectly suitable.

I wouldn't mess with oral Winstrol , especially at 75mg ED. It is a higher dose than you think, as it will be beneficial for a cutting cycle it is yet one of the most hepatatoxic compounds you can run, so beware.

Also, Arimidex needs to be run EOD, not E3D.

**tempted1** · 01-09-2013, 02:18 PM

/\ agreed but as for your mile on workout days I would cancel it.. Studies have been shown that on lift days your body needs all the nutrients you can get for proper muscle grown therefore on lift days you are risking hindering your muscle gains. IMO lift hard one day eat right and just stick to the good ole fashioned split training. HIT could also help

**svenman19** · 01-09-2013, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by Turkish Juicer

Yes, it is perfectly suitable.

I wouldn't mess with oral Winstrol , especially at 75mg ED. It is a higher dose than you think, as it will be beneficial for a cutting cycle it is yet one of the most hepatatoxic compounds you can run, so beware.

Also, Arimidex needs to be run EOD, not E3D.

Yeah I've decided to run 50mg winstrol plus I have lots of liver protection on hand so ill be good. I'm still deciding on the esters I'm gonna use. I'm trying to be as cost efficient as possible. Would the gains be similar with test prop and mast prop compared to test E/sustanon an mast E? 8week cycle with prop or 12 week cycle with enth? Any advice please guys

**svenman19** · 01-09-2013, 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by tempted1

/\ agreed but as for your mile on workout days I would cancel it.. Studies have been shown that on lift days your body needs all the nutrients you can get for proper muscle grown therefore on lift days you are risking hindering your muscle gains. IMO lift hard one day eat right and just stick to the good ole fashioned split training. HIT could also help

Yeah after my mile of running I slam a Protien drink then lift weights. I think it's helping alot

**BBJT200** · 01-09-2013, 11:22 PM

Instead of running a mile and then hitting the weights, I would strongly suggest a quick warm up, hitting the weights, and then doing low intensity cardio when you are finished lifting.

Running will likely use glycogen that you should need for lifting. Also, by lifting, you will have copious amounts of fatty acids in your bloodstream that are ready to be used by the body.

**svenman19** · 01-09-2013, 11:23 PM

Originally Posted by JTathlete

Instead of running a mile and then hitting the weights, I would strongly suggest a quick warm up, hitting the weights, and then doing low intensity cardio when you are finished lifting.

Running will likely use glycogen that you should need for lifting. Also, by lifting, you will have copious amounts of fatty acids in your bloodstream that are ready to be used by the body.

Okay thanks bro

**Turkish Juicer** · 01-10-2013, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by svenman19

Would the gains be similar with test prop and mast prop compared to test E/sustanon an mast E? 8week cycle with prop or 12 week cycle with enth? Any advice please guys

You can't know for sure before you actually do it and see it for yourself.

I prefer an 8 week cycle over a 12 week cycle, same lean gains, just quicker, and less strain on my body.