What does this cycle look like?

[warmouth]

Going to give nandrolone D a go this time. Here is my plan:

Weeks 1-15
Test C @ 175mgs weekly
Deca @ 400mgs weekly
Weeks 11-16
Winstrol @ 50mgs ED (this might be shortened to 4 weeks instead of 6 just due to the heptatoxicity and I really dont need that. I will be taking NAC along with 250mgs of UDCA daily while on the winstrol).

I am going about it this way, with lower test, to try and keep the AI out of the equasion. I will have it onhand however. I havent picked up the caber yet as I am still looking for the best research lab for it, but I will be taking .50mgs on mondays and thursday.

If there is anything you guys would change, feel free to give me your recommendations. I have never used deca and I figured 400mgs would be a decent starting point. I do plan on pinning it all once a week on mondays to see how that goes. Thanks for looking this over.

P.S. - Mickey, not threads on why I shouldnt be doing this one, lol.

[Knockout_Power]

Nice moderate doses for a first time using a 19.

Something to consider since you do not have experience with a 19 yet is to start the test 2 weeks before the Deca as it can shut you down in as little as one dose.

[Knockout_Power]

Might as well include your stats and previous cycle experience, someone will ask

[marcus300]

Why keep an AI out of it and most of all why keep the test low when it simple builds muscle tissue, personally I think your holding yourself back with this cycle up the test introduce an AI and attack this cycle with the mind set of building as much muscle as possible. If your a first time deca user thats fine at 400mgs but up the test IMHO and let both compunds do their job together.

[warmouth]

Nice moderate doses for a first time using a 19.

Something to consider since you do not have experience with a 19 yet is to start the test 2 weeks before the Deca as it can shut you down in as little as one dose.

Thank you. I am on trt so my test is already up.

[warmouth]

Might as well include your stats and previous cycle experience, someone will ask

Sorry to keep quoting but I am using my new phone snd it is hard to figure out. Stats are:
5'10
178-182 depending on day
Age 30
Cycle experience:
Test p 100mg eod for 8 weeks
Winstrol 50mgs ed last 4
Once used anavar for 6 weeks with trt @ 80mgs ed.

[stpete]

I agree w/marcus. I'd run that test @ 600mgs. 500 minimum. Keep the deca the same.

[warmouth]

Why keep an AI out of it and most of all why keep the test low when it simple builds muscle tissue, personally I think your holding yourself back with this cycle up the test introduce an AI and attack this cycle with the mind set of building as much muscle as possible. If your a first time deca user thats fine at 400mgs but up the test IMHO and let both compunds do their job together.

Thanks Marcus. You're the expert and that's why I'm wanting advice. My reason for not wanting to use an AI is because I have been combating high cholesterol and my hypertension. I attributed my high lipids to the AI, but didn't consider the anavar , which was probably the case. Do you consider a higher test with the same amount of Deca ? Like 750 mgs or 500? I have ran cypionate as high as 500, but will definitely take your advice since you are willing to give it. If you think I should run a 500:300 test to deca ratio, I'll do it. My goal isn't to get as much size as possible just get, but just grow slow and steady. My reason for this is for my health and my heart. Ive had so many tests ran the last few months, and I just want to be as safe as possible. Don't want to stress my heart out too much by putting on too much weight at once. I've went from 150 to 190 after my last cycle, and have managed to keep alot of the weight. I started light, I know, but I didn't start aas until I reached 170 naturally. Please let me know what you think. Thanks a lot!

[warmouth]

I agree w/marcus. I'd run that test @ 600mgs. 500 minimum. Keep the deca the same.

Thanks st pete!

[warmouth]

What do you guys think now that I said why I was intending on keeping the test low? Should I still up it?

[marcus300]

yes I would increase the test dose, your going to be holding yourself back IMHO if you dont. I would increase it to at least what you ran it in your last cycle and if your bloodwork isnt balanced before cycle I wouldnt go on cycle until it is.

[Jonnyg419]

Agreed^^^ It's not like its tren , Deca is anabolic , but so is test, why not run the test at a higher dose and reap the benefits of both?

[warmouth]

yes I would increase the test dose, your going to be holding yourself back IMHO if you dont. I would increase it to at least what you ran it in your last cycle and if your bloodwork isnt balanced before cycle I wouldnt go on cycle until it is.

Thank you. My BW has about balanced back out, other than the lipids being slightly on the high side still. But I guess Ill switch up the AI to Aromasin and go that route. Should I drop the Deca to 300mgs or keep it at 400? I just dont want to stress out my heart too much by rapid weight gain, but dont get me wrong, Id like to get bigger. Just sort of slowly so my body can easier acclimate to the size.

[warmouth]

Last bump, then done. Thanks guys.

[warmouth]