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alright guys i am starting a hard cut monday (jan 14, 2012) and i thought it would be good to create a separate log for this mainly due to the fact that im gonna be venturing into uncharted territory with the use of growth hormone releasing peptides as well as a low dose of primobolan.

i figured id start this log a little early to potentially generate some discussion that may help me out seeing as how i will be including 3 chemicals (or whatever u want to call them) that ive never used before.

STATS: 5,9" 189lbs BF% (will go here making trip to BOD POD this week and will update this post with results to be thorough)

GOAL: cut as much body fat as possible while maintaining current LBM (shooting for 6% bf)

[RaginCajun]

looking forward to see where you take this!

why such a low dosage on the peptides?

i think most do 1mcg/kg which puts you around 86mcg or just do 100mcg

you are a machine!!!!!!

[austinite]

Outstanding 405! Totally looking forward to your progress.

[leather daddy]

Good luck dude! But i do believe 200mg of primo a week wont do much. Ive heard it really needs to be run of up to 600mg a week to be of any benifet tbh.

Edit: Just saw u said ur gonna run it at that dose regardless. haha my bad. Well see how you go

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thx austin! this is exciting! ive been working for this for 15months!

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looking forward to see where you take this!

why such a low dosage on the peptides?

i think most do 1mcg/kg which puts you around 86mcg or just do 100mcg

you are a machine!!!!!!

thx cajun! im looking for the fat loss properties and not LBM gains so from my understanding the dosage i have set will suffice and full saturation is unnecessary..

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Good luck dude! But i do believe 200mg of primo a week wont do much. Ive heard it really needs to be run of up to 600mg a week to be of any benifet tbh.

Edit: Just saw u said ur gonna run it at that dose regardless. haha my bad. Well see how you go

thx man yeh we'll see!

[Emerald]

funny...I'm doing my cut in 3 weeks or so and if I end up as lean as you are now I'll be stoked. Train hard

[Lunk1]

Nothing to add but a solid good luck! If anyone has the dedication to make it work..it's you! Holla if ya need ANYTHING!

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funny...I'm doing my cut in 3 weeks or so and if I end up as lean as you are now I'll be stoked. Train hard

LOL.. yeh thx man! im an extremist in everything i do! LOL..

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Nothing to add but a solid good luck! If anyone has the dedication to make it work..it's you! Holla if ya need ANYTHING!

will do buddy!

[Antoinefan]

funny...I'm doing my cut in 3 weeks or so and if I end up as lean as you are now I'll be stoked. Train hard

i was thinking the same thing haha. Looking solid 405 !

[bowldawg]

Are you using insulin or carbs to shuttle the carnitine? I've been on the GHRP/GRF combo for about a year and with fasted cardio works very well. I've been on the injectable carnitine for about six months. I think you'll be very happy with the boost in lyposis, not that you really need it. Damn your lean! Once you get acclimated to the peps you can mess around with your protocols. For example you could do a full day fast and pin the peps 5 or six times while hitting cardio 3 or 4 times that day. Not fun, but effective. Also watch your before bed dose of GHRP 2. For whatever reason it hits me like GHRP 6 at night and makes me very hungry.

[Turkish Juicer]

Ive heard it really needs to be run of up to 600mg a week to be of any benifet tbh.

It is rather that Primo needs to be run at a minimum dose of 600mg and for at least 12 weeks to deliver results.

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Are you using insulin or carbs to shuttle the carnitine? I've been on the GHRP/GRF combo for about a year and with fasted cardio works very well. I've been on the injectable carnitine for about six months. I think you'll be very happy with the boost in lyposis, not that you really need it. Damn your lean! Once you get acclimated to the peps you can mess around with your protocols. For example you could do a full day fast and pin the peps 5 or six times while hitting cardio 3 or 4 times that day. Not fun, but effective. Also watch your before bed dose of GHRP 2. For whatever reason it hits me like GHRP 6 at night and makes me very hungry.

yeh im halfway thru my 2nd 30mL vial of carnitine and shuttle it in with carbs.. have u had any advers reactions (other than hunger) with the peps? also i was thinking about what u said where i can increase the frequency of dosage and hit the cardio.. i will prob do something like that at some point.

[bowldawg]

yeh im halfway thru my 2nd 30mL vial of carnitine and shuttle it in with carbs.. have u had any advers reactions (other than hunger) with the peps? also i was thinking about what u said where i can increase the frequency of dosage and hit the cardio.. i will prob do something like that at some point.

A little water retention at first, but other then that and the hunger I've been very pleased.

If you want better absorbtion of the Carnitine you can use as little as 2 iu's of insulin and then you dont have to consume all those carbs. The downside is that you have to avoid fats for that 3-5 hour window. If your going to use the carbs I might increase the dosage. I'm assuming 500 mg's per ml?

[largerthannormal]

Couple questions for personal info, not tryin to come off as a jerk

why is your mod and ghrp dose so low? why only 2x ed?

[marcus300]

Good luck 405,
I'm going to be honest with you the primo at that dose isnt going to do anything trust me, its not going to do anything infact its a waste and your better of saving it until you run it at a solid dose where you will benefit something from it. You will get the same results without it as you would with it.
best of luck

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Couple questions for personal info, not tryin to come off as a jerk

why is your mod and ghrp dose so low? why only 2x ed?

mod grf and ghrp are started low to prevent potential sides and see how i do, i will be increasing dose over time. from my understanding a full saturation dose of mod grf is not necessary to see the fat loss benefits. i will be evalutaing and adjusting as necessary.

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Good luck 405,
I'm going to be honest with you the primo at that dose isnt going to do anything trust me, its not going to do anything infact its a waste and your better of saving it until you run it at a solid dose where you will benefit something from it. You will get the same results without it as you would with it.
best of luck

thx marcus i appreciate ur input!

[binsser]

Well where do we start here.....

Ok ...fck me you look good now .. Well done great look.. Now on to the next thing ...dont listen to that primo has to be run at high doses sh.t because thats what it is its bullsht everyone is differant i was doing 1750mg a week remember ?? And it was poisioning me mate i just felt bad kept getting bad sweats , shakes alsorts then i dropped it too 1000 keeping the test at 400mg a week and it got better and yes i stacked alot of muscle and got big so i would recommend 400mg if idone it again i would go no higher than 800mg of primo because it isnt needed like people keep saying grow into your dose mate for you i would say 400 mg test for 400mg if primo it makes you really vascular but with a full look but i dis so much i was getting bad siders gyno being one of them .. Never. Had that before then my dick stopped working which **** my head up abit so i stopped in week 14 and everyone even people i saw every day said shit you got big so if your happy then just do what your doing bud you look the bollocks anyway so youprob dont need it AND just for the record " no im not gay" just purely a compliment lolol hope this helped bud gyno went away with nolvadex and letro so no surgery for me thankfully lol

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^^ LOL.. thx binsser

i may consider going as high as 400mg but i prob wont go any higher than that. all im trying to do is preserve LBM thru this cut .. nothing more. ill worry about gaining later during which time i will prob run primo again starting at 600mg and maybe going as high as 800mg. along with some test

[Lunk1]

I want to make one last and final bid for Var over primo....there, I'm done!

[t-dogg]

looking forward for updates.

[Turkish Juicer]

Well where do we start here.....

Ok ...fck me you look good now .. Well done great look.. Now on to the next thing ...dont listen to that primo has to be run at high doses sh.t because thats what it is its bullsht everyone is differant i was doing 1750mg a week remember ?? And it was poisioning me mate i just felt bad kept getting bad sweats , shakes alsorts then i dropped it too 1000 keeping the test at 400mg a week and it got better and yes i stacked alot of muscle and got big so i would recommend 400mg if idone it again i would go no higher than 800mg of primo because it isnt needed like people keep saying grow into your dose mate for you i would say 400 mg test for 400mg if primo it makes you really vascular but with a full look but i dis so much i was getting bad siders gyno being one of them .. Never. Had that before then my dick stopped working which **** my head up abit so i stopped in week 14 and everyone even people i saw every day said shit you got big so if your happy then just do what your doing bud you look the bollocks anyway so youprob dont need it AND just for the record " no im not gay" just purely a compliment lolol hope this helped bud gyno went away with nolvadex and letro so no surgery for me thankfully lol

You have entered the scene and spoken your mind very courageously my British friend.

Before anything else, I can guarantee you that 1750mg of Primo EW wasn't the dose I had in mind when I stated that Primo needs to be run at a higher dose than 600mg EW. For someone who has run several Primobolan Depot cycles in the past, I have never gone over 750mg EW, and to me, that is a dose on the higher end. Results were astonishing: at around week 14, I was dry, vascular, lean, strong and was able to do cardio better than ever, which is something I wasn't expecting at all. I received so many compliments from all sorts of people that pharm grade Primo thus became my most favorite long ester injectable AAS after Test. Yes, everyone is different and I have talked to vets who said they were less than satisfied with results at 1500mg EW, but then keep in mind that these guys can run significantly high doses of Tren and Test when they cycle. For those who can mess with Tren and somehow handle sides at high doses, Primo is admittedly a very weak and almost useless compound, as this is understandable.

Again, 1750mg of Primo EW is just crazy... It doesn't make sense from so many perspectives, I don't even know where to start. I don't even see how I could walk around or train at the gym with all the oil based Primo injections along with Test injections. Human dart board it is...

Now it is certainly intriguing to me that you correlated your gyno issue to the administration of high doses of Primo. Do I need to remind anyone here that Primo is a DHT, which doesn't aromatize and hence is incapable of causing gyno regardless of its dosage? Did you actually consider that you were getting estrogen related side effects from the Test that was stacked with Primo? Did you even use an AI during that cycle or did bro's tell you that you wouldn't need to with all that Primo running through your veins?

You are lucky it was rather your dick that stopped working as opposed to your heart, since Primobolan is associated with a significant increase in RBC and I can only imagine how sludgy your blood must have gotten at a dose of 1750mg of Primo for several weeks without blood thinners and/or blood donation every 4 weeks.

I hope you won't be making a direct correlation between Primo and broken language in your next response because it seems like you have made many mistakes during that cycle and somehow high doses of Primo is to be blamed for every and each...

[binsser]

You have entered the scene and spoken your mind very courageously my British friend.

Before anything else, I can guarantee you that 1750mg of Primo EW wasn't the dose I had in mind when I stated that Primo needs to be run at a higher dose than 600mg EW. For someone who has run several Primobolan Depot cycles in the past, I have never gone over 750mg EW, and to me, that is a dose on the higher end. Results were astonishing: at around week 14, I was dry, vascular, lean, strong and was able to do cardio better than ever, which is something I wasn't expecting at all. I received so many compliments from all sorts of people that pharm grade Primo thus became my most favorite long ester injectable AAS after Test. Yes, everyone is different and I have talked to vets who said they were less than satisfied with results at 1500mg EW, but then keep in mind that these guys can run significantly high doses of Tren and Test when they cycle. For those who can mess with Tren and somehow handle sides at high doses, Primo is admittedly a very weak and almost useless compound, as this is understandable.

Again, 1750mg of Primo EW is just crazy... It doesn't make sense from so many perspectives, I don't even know where to start. I don't even see how I could walk around or train at the gym with all the oil based Primo injections along with Test injections. Human dart board it is...

Now it is certainly intriguing to me that you correlated your gyno issue to the administration of high doses of Primo. Do I need to remind anyone here that Primo is a DHT, which doesn't aromatize and hence is incapable of causing gyno regardless of its dosage? Did you actually consider that you were getting estrogen related side effects from the Test that was stacked with Primo? Did you even use an AI during that cycle or did bro's tell you that you wouldn't need to with all that Primo running through your veins?

You are lucky it was rather your dick that stopped working as opposed to your heart, since Primobolan is associated with a significant increase in RBC and I can only imagine how sludgy your blood must have gotten at a dose of 1750mg of Primo for several weeks without blood thinners and/or blood donation every 4 weeks.

I hope you won't be making a direct correlation between Primo and broken language in your next response because it seems like you have made many mistakes during that cycle and somehow high doses of Primo is to be blamed for every and each...

Broken language!! Mmmm ok and 750 would have been perfect for me i think lolol

Yes i did use arimidex also had letro tabs /drops nolva/clomid no mistakes as far as im aware apart from it was way too high and yes i know primo magnifies the test so where do u think i went wrong then turkish??

That was my sixth cycle !

[binsser]

The primo also wasnt in oil and i knew the test was causing the gyno thats why i used an ai but primo does make it stronger!!

[bigsiv]

Good luck 405 ya look great buddy!

[stpete]

Good luck and have fun, buddy.

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Good luck 405 ya look great buddy!

Good luck and have fun, buddy.

thx fellas

[energizer bunny]

good stuff 405...........this will be a good read, cheers

[Tron3219]

405-

How goes it big guy? I just wanted to chime in on the peps. I just finished the ones I got as a trial run, I was running ghrp-2 and mod. I didn't dose up and jumped right in at saturation dose and got slightly flushed the first injection and intense hunger, but after that it was smooth sailing. I also increased the dose of ghrp-2 to 250 (read about it in dats forum). I was dosing prebed and about 90 minutes before cardio then directly after weight training. (Eod alternating). This was all before I went on vacation and was dropping fat like crazy (like 4 pounds a week), I got down to 201 the day I left. Muscles looked full and felt tight most of the time.
All in all, I was pleased and planning on order more very soon.

[kelkel]

Looking good 405. Stay safe with this. Agree with Lunk on the var....

Post up your progress!

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let me see if i have this correct because i havent spent a whole lotta time on this. i purchased .3cc/mL slin pins for the peps. if i inject 1mL bac water into the vial with 5mg ghrp-2 then ill have 5000mcg ghrp-2 in 1mL of bac water right?

so:

5000mcg = 1mL

100mcg = 1/50mL

each tick mark on the .3mL syringe = 1 unit = 1iU

1iU = 1/100mL

1/50mL = 2iU = 100mcg

this correct?? so if im doing 50mcg then its 1iU ?? (this is twisting my brain into a pretzel! LOL)

[Tron3219]

let me see if i have this correct because i havent spent a whole lotta time on this. i purchased .3cc/mL slin pins for the peps. if i inject 1mL bac water into the vial with 5mg ghrp-2 then ill have 5000mcg ghrp-2 in 1mL of bac water right?

so:

5000mcg = 1mL

100mcg = 1/50mL

each tick mark on the .3mL syringe = 1 unit = 1iU

1iU = 1/100mL

1/50mL = 2iU = 100mcg

this correct?? so if im doing 50mcg then its 1iU ?? (this is twisting my brain into a pretzel! LOL)

U could use this too
http://peptidecalculator.com/calculator.php

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well after much deliberation i decided to get my TRT doc to call in a script to my compounding pharmacy for the bacteriostatic water. the pharmacist called me cuz they were going to have to make it and he wanted to go over the price with me. he asked me what i needed it for and i told him i had some crystallized HCG i wanted to re-constitute, thought about telling him none of ur freaking business just fill the script mr nosy but i didnt.

im assuming the bac water for reconstituting the HCG is the same make-up as the bac water for reconstituting peps right? hes not gonna add something special into it thats better for HCG thats gonna f up my bac water for the peps is he?


just wanna make sure i think of everything!

man what a pain in the ass this fvcking bac water has turned into! not to mention i have to pay $45 for 50mL but ill be damned if im gonna let 45bucks delay my schedule!

[Sgt. Hartman]

Good luck bud, will be following....

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Good luck bud, will be following....

thx sarge! maybe can someone answer my question in post # 36?? ill make it obvious

[Sgt. Hartman]

Nope it's the same thing.

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Nope it's the same thing.

GOOD! i can put that B.S. behind me dang it! thx