Deconstructing bro-science!

[kelkel]

Turk great idea for a thread. When it's all said and done a thought would be to compile the questions and "best" answers in another thread for easy consumption!

[kronik420]

3. ''Stacking multiple compounds at low doses in a cycle is a safer and more effective method than running Test alone at a relatively high dose.''

wouldn't it be safer/less sides to run say 100mg of test with 300mg of tren , compared with 1500mg of test??

[Atomini]

While I love the jokes in this thread, I have to say that I think we should reserve this thread for dispelling serious myths surrounding AAS.

I think a thread in the lounge would be better suited for the funny rumors and claims about AAS and bodybuilding in general.

[kronik420]

6. ''Organic Hemp Protein for as such reason is better and healthier for you compared to whey.''

maybe i can make my own hemp protein powder

[panntastic]

While I love the jokes in this thread, I have to say that I think we should reserve this thread for dispelling serious myths surrounding AAS.

I think a thread in the lounge would be better suited for the funny rumors and claims about AAS and bodybuilding in general.

Here you go guys for the more comedy aspects of bro science and to keep this thread on track
The comedy aspect of Broscience

[Metalject]

All time biggest myths IMO:

1. Dbol will make you fat.
2. You cannot use EQ and Deca at the same time because they compete for the same receptors.
3. You cannot grow if you use an anti-estrogen.
4. You won't hold water if you use Testosterone Propionate
5. Anavar is useless under 100mg per day
6. You cannot make any progress with gear past X amount of weeks
7. You can only get Tren cough from Tren
8. Sust is more powerful than Cypionate or Enanthate
9. Winstrol is guaranteed to destroy your joints
10. If an oral is converted to injectable its not toxic to the liver
11. You will get sides if you use Tren and that's how you know its good
12. If you're not trying to grow there's no point in using gear
13. My natural testosterone fully recovered after PCT
14. HGH is useless without high doses
15. You can buy quality HGH for $200 a kit
16. EQ is guaranteed to make your RBC go way to high
17. If you control estrogen there's no chance of acne (how did this one even start?)
18. Certain steroids build muscle on top of muscle, others build muscle within the muscle and some do both.
19. You have to inject at the same time of day on the same days of the wk each wk or your screwed
20. I know my UGL is good because my bro told me. It's even better than human grade.

[Lunk1]

All time biggest myths IMO:

1. Dbol will make you fat.
2. You cannot use EQ and Deca at the same time because they compete for the same receptors.
3. You cannot grow if you use an anti-estrogen.
4. You won't hold water if you use Testosterone Propionate
5. Anavar is useless under 100mg per day
6. You cannot make any progress with gear past X amount of weeks
7. You can only get Tren cough from Tren
8. Sust is more powerful than Cypionate or Enanthate
9. Winstrol is guaranteed to destroy your joints
10. If an oral is converted to injectable its not toxic to the liver
11. You will get sides if you use Tren and that's how you know its good
12. If you're not trying to grow there's no point in using gear
13. My natural testosterone fully recovered after PCT
14. HGH is useless without high doses
15. You can buy quality HGH for $200 a kit
16. EQ is guaranteed to make your RBC go way to high
17. If you control estrogen there's no chance of acne (how did this one even start?)
18. Certain steroids build muscle on top of muscle, others build muscle within the muscle and some do both.
19. You have to inject at the same time of day on the same days of the wk each wk or your screwed
20. I know my UGL is good because my bro told me. It's even better than human grade.

Wait...Tren and Test also are fighting for the same receptors (and we all know there are not enough to go around

Long esters are for bulking and short esters are for cutting!

[Atomini]

Just the whole general idea of "X STEROID AND Z STEROID FIGHT FOR THE SAME RECEPTORS, DONT USE THEM!" is a myth, let alone which individual compounds anyone is talking about.

[Metalject]

Wait...Tren and Test also are fighting for the same receptors (and we all know there are not enough to go around

Long esters are for bulking and short esters are for cutting!

That reminds me....number 21 for my list: "I think my receptors are burned out."

[Lunk1]

That reminds me....number 21 for my list: "I think my receptors are burned out."

22...need to down regulate receptors!

[Atomini]

Oh boy, oh boy oh boy oh boy oboyoboy ooooboy!!! I've got a good one that most people here will know that my blood boils and my eyes bleeed when I hear this one:

"ANABOLIC STEROIDS SATURATE/DOWNREGULATE/BURN-OUT AND THATS WHY YOU EXPERIENCE LESS GAINS IN THE LATER WEEKS OF A CYCLE"

If you were to slit my neck right now, you'd get sprayed in the face with scalding hot blood. Oh my god, you have no idea how much I HATE this myth. It's not true and i've debunked it numerous times in different threads. I'd post my giant-ass explanations that prove this myth wrong, but for now anyone who's interested to see the truth behind this myth, take a look at the following 2 threads:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...120-Primobolan

and

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ceptor-burnout

All the info you'll ever need on the truth behind 'receptor burnout' or 'saturation' or 'downregulation' or whatever bullshit term people use.

*Note that this is on the subject of androgen receptors, NOT beta-adrenergic receptors which are a totally different story.

[Atomini]

That reminds me....number 21 for my list: "I think my receptors are burned out."

SHIT! YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!! DAMN YOU!!!! I was posting right as you posted that!

[Bigshotvictoria]

All time biggest myths IMO:

1. Dbol will make you fat.
2. You cannot use EQ and Deca at the same time because they compete for the same receptors.
3. You cannot grow if you use an anti-estrogen.
4. You won't hold water if you use Testosterone Propionate
5. Anavar is useless under 100mg per day
6. You cannot make any progress with gear past X amount of weeks
7. You can only get Tren cough from Tren
8. Sust is more powerful than Cypionate or Enanthate
9. Winstrol is guaranteed to destroy your joints
10. If an oral is converted to injectable its not toxic to the liver
11. You will get sides if you use Tren and that's how you know its good
12. If you're not trying to grow there's no point in using gear
13. My natural testosterone fully recovered after PCT
14. HGH is useless without high doses
15. You can buy quality HGH for $200 a kit
16. EQ is guaranteed to make your RBC go way to high
17. If you control estrogen there's no chance of acne (how did this one even start?)
18. Certain steroids build muscle on top of muscle, others build muscle within the muscle and some do both.
19. You have to inject at the same time of day on the same days of the wk each wk or your screwed
20. I know my UGL is good because my bro told me. It's even better than human grade.

My hematocrit was high after trying EQ (600mg/week) and my blood pressure was up while on it. I can't say it's the EQ's fault, but test alone didn't do that to me.

I just thought of this now. My blood work was done while I had pneumonia, that probably explains the high hematocrit.

[Atomini]

Yes, #16 is not exactly a myth. EQ has been demonstrated to stimulate Erythropoiesis and increase hemoglobin to a far greater degree than most anabolic steroids .

[Bigshotvictoria]

Yes, #16 is not exactly a myth. EQ has been demonstrated to stimulate Erythropoiesis and increase hemoglobin to a far greater degree than most anabolic steroids.

Possible myth, EQ aromatizes at half the rate of testosterone , and is a much dryer compound. As such there should be little or no bloat associate with it's use.

I found that I had way more bloat with Eq and 400mg of T-400/week than I've had with 500mg/week of test-e. My serm was from the same UGL both cycles.

[Atomini]

Possible myth, EQ aromatizes at half the rate of testosterone , and is a much dryer compound. As such there should be little or no bloat associate with it's use.

I found that I had way more bloat with Eq and 400mg of T-400/week than I've had with 500mg/week of test-e. My serm was from the same UGL both cycles.

You're not understanding. This has nothing at all to do with aromatization and bloating.

It has everything to do with the fact that ALL anabolic steroids act on the kidneys to stimulate production of Erythropoietin, which is the hormone repsponsible for the production of red blood cells, and consequently hemoglobin. EQ has been shown in studies to exhibit this activity at a far greater amount than any other anabolic steroid . It's one of the reasons why it is primarily used as a veterinary drug and administered to horses.

Vast increases in hemoglobin can and do create dangerous blood pressure problems independent of water retention casued by Estrogen or otherwise. So no, it's not a myth that EQ can send hemoglobin levels very high.

[Bigshotvictoria]

You're not understanding. This has nothing at all to do with aromatization and bloating.

It has everything to do with the fact that ALL anabolic steroids act on the kidneys to stimulate production of Erythropoietin, which is the hormone repsponsible for the production of red blood cells, and consequently hemoglobin. EQ has been shown in studies to exhibit this activity at a far greater amount than any other anabolic steroid . It's one of the reasons why it is primarily used as a veterinary drug and administered to horses.

Vast increases in hemoglobin can and do create dangerous blood pressure problems independent of water retention casued by Estrogen or otherwise. So no, it's not a myth that EQ can send hemoglobin levels very high.

Sorry, I was referring to actual water retention. My face, chest, stomach, hands, etc... became extremely puffy. I understand the process of erythropoiesis. I was referring to the Eq appearing to be very 'Wet" instead of "dry" like all bro's claim it to be. This had never happened to me with just test.

[Atomini]

Sorry, I was referring to actual water retention. My face, chest, stomach, hands, etc... became extremely puffy. I understand the process of erythropoiesis. I was referring to the Eq appearing to be very 'Wet" instead of "dry" like all bro's claim it to be. This had never happened to me with just test.

Ohh I see. Yeah I have never been a fan of EQ. Never used it but it never appealed to me. I believe it does have low Estrogenic activity, so it still does aromatize.

[Bigshotvictoria]

Ohh I see. Yeah I have never been a fan of EQ. Never used it but it never appealed to me. I believe it does have low Estrogenic activity, so it still does aromatize.

I would never use it again. From personal experience, EQ being useless IS NOT A MYTH. The only thing good I can say about it is that it made the t-400 PIP a lot more bearable.

[BBJT200]

Great idea for a thread!

[Metalject]

SHIT! YOU BEAT ME TO IT!!! DAMN YOU!!!! I was posting right as you posted that!

I can't believe I left it out of my original list....brain must be slowing down due to the bro-virus I'm often exposed to.

Yes, #16 is not exactly a myth. EQ has been demonstrated to stimulate Erythropoiesis and increase hemoglobin to a far greater degree than most anabolic steroids.

I've said this a few times here but this is what the data shows...at least from my understanding. Although EQ, like most all steroids , will increase red blood cell count, it does have the ability to carry a stronger effect. However, when it comes to a dangerous or damaging level of RBC's this is almost always attributed to long term, high dose use. EQ in the range of 200-400mg/wk should not increase RBC far above and beyond what most steroids already do. It's when you start going above 600mg per week that a problem might occur.

[Turkish Juicer]

Milk builds muscles right?

Not unless the brand of milk is Muscletech!

[Turkish Juicer]

wouldn't it be safer/less sides to run say 100mg of test with 300mg of tren, compared with 1500mg of test??

My experience tells me otherwise.

You can run 1500mg of Test alone and as long as estrogen is successfully managed it is still safer than running 300mg of Tren and 100mg of Test with less sides. Tren is the sides-master...

When you refer to Tren, beware it wasn't even meant for human use; anabolic :androgenic ratio is 500/500, which biologically makes sense if only you are an ox living in a cattle..

[Turkish Juicer]

Another bro-science fact, fresh just out a bro:

''High doses of Primobolan gave me gyno because it magnified the effects of Testosterone .''

[Edwin23q]

Some of these are hilarious, but makes you wonder how people live their lives when they have logic or the lack of it in that sense.

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[Bonaparte]

My hematocrit was high after trying EQ (600mg/week) and my blood pressure was up while on it. I can't say it's the EQ's fault, but test alone didn't do that to me.

I just thought of this now. My blood work was done while I had pneumonia, that probably explains the high hematocrit.

Pneumonia would increase WBC count, not RBC count.

[Jonnyg419]

Don't know if this counts but.."Yeah bro, I just bought a legal synethitic offline, it has Tren , Test, Deca , and Mast in it, and it doesn't require a PCT!"

[Turkish Juicer]

bump

[Edwin23q]

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[ovidiu31]

"anavar doesnt suppres testesterone"

[cutting_king]

The whole "long esters bloat you more than short esters" thing isn't a myth.

I've tried both and I'm really prone to bloating and I can tell you now I can't even use test enanthate without my head turning into a beach ball. Even with a clean diet and letro throughout cycle.

With test prop I don't have a problem at all.

I don't understand why this is, but it's certainly not a myth, at least not for me.

[ecruz]

creatine is the best, test e is better than prop ohh yeah and "juice" does it all as long as you use "juice" you dont even have to work out as much or eat alot "fo real"

[Bigshotvictoria]

Pneumonia would increase WBC count, not RBC count.

Yes, but the prolonged respiratory distress would increase the RBC.

[Stalker3060]

Your body can only use 30g of protein at sitting the rest is wasted
You don't have to cycle off pre workout supps just change brands
You can't absorb protein in raw eggs
Microwaves kill nutrition and cancer
When you eat fat it just sticks to other fat in your body
Orals won't shut you down
Machines are for toning and free weights for mass

[PrimoCyp25]

How many cc bruh?

[charger69]

Your body can only use 30g of protein at sitting the rest is wasted
You don't have to cycle off pre workout supps just change brands
You can't absorb protein in raw eggs
Microwaves kill nutrition and cancer
When you eat fat it just sticks to other fat in your body
Orals won't shut you down
Machines are for toning and free weights for mass

That post was from 2013!


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[Quester]

Hi y'all!

The title says it all... Don't you think it is about time to deconstruct typical bro-science facts and make the passing of factual knowledge easier on everybody on the board? If you think so, then please contribute to this threat. Who knows, maybe it will become a sticky!


Suggested bro-science titles to be deconstructed:

1. ''Long ester AAS leads to water retention more so than short ester AAS.''

2. ''You don't need to start administering your AI until you get sides during a cycle.''

3. ''Stacking multiple compounds at low doses in a cycle is a safer and more effective method than running Test alone at a relatively high dose.''

4. ''There are cutting compounds and there are bulking compounds.''

5. ''Bench-press is the ultimate exercise for those who want to develop a massive chest and has really no alternative.''

6. ''Organic Hemp Protein for as such reason is better and healthier for you compared to whey.''

7. ''Deca -Durabolin heals joints and ligaments.''

.....

Chime in!

There are plenty of other forums which do a great job representing the "bro-scientist." This forum has had a long tradition of accountability and logic. I hope that it stays that way.

[KennyJ]

You need to run a dopamine agonist with 19nors to prevent "prolactin gyno".

Some of these are actually hard to tell if a myth is being discredited or if someone is stating something as a fact.