I'm Going To Use Test E to Fix My Spinal Problem - I'm a total newb, need advice

**ShadesOfBlue** · 01-10-2013, 11:41 PM

To make a long story short, I am not, and have never been, a serious body builder. I'm 29. Five years ago I started getting constant pain in my back. It progressed to the point where it was shooting down my leg, into my right testicle, and my right ass. Not fun. I had a herniated disc. It was not due to any injury, but rather, was just due to the way my spine grew. Basically I was genetically predisposed to have this problem. I did physio for 4 years and it still continued to get worse. I switched up my physio routine - now i do about 30 mins every day - and got some other treatments, like nerve blocking agents injected into my spine, and an injection into the disc itself that was supposed to cause the disc to shrink. This made me a little better, but it was still very difficult to walk, sleep, etc. I was prescribed daily oxycontin. Life was shit.

Around this time I was found to have borderline low testosterone . The "normal" range was 10-18 and I had exactly 10. Yet I was onlu 28 years old. I got my doc to give me androgel . I continued with my physio as before, yet suddenly I started to get better. Now I'm off the painkillers and I can walk normally. Obviously it is because the extra testosterone made the physio more effective. I've been on the androgel for a year.

However, im still in constant pain. It's managable, but it's not a great life. As men, I'm sure you'll understand it's no fun when your dick - among other things - aches all the time. So I've decided to increase my test levels a little bit more to see if I can get an extra edge and help my recovery.

After my 30 mins of daily physio, I do another 30 mins of workout. One day abs/legs, one day chest, back, etc. It's built mostly on compound excercises like different types of pullups (with weights on ankles), pushups, etc.

Anyway, I'm not trying to be a ****ing athlete or look like hulk hogan. I just want to do what worked before - increase my test so that my physio is more effective and therefore my back will hopefully get better.

I was given:

24 amps test enanthate

I'm getting delivered clomid and nolvadex .

Any recommendations about what kind of cycle i can do. I want to do LESS than the types of cycles you guys do. I just want to increase my test a little more than average and see how it affects my spine. I was thinking of taking maybe half of the amount in a normal beginnners cycle. Any thoughts?

**Soar** · 01-10-2013, 11:44 PM

Without reading that I can tell you test e will not fix your spinal problem

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...cles-Look-here..

**gymfu** · 01-10-2013, 11:46 PM

200mg/week will elevate most people's test levels to the high end of normal. I would go with that if I was you.

**ShadesOfBlue** · 01-10-2013, 11:52 PM

Perfect. After I stop this should I use the nolvadex /clomid or will it not be neccessary if I am just aiming for "high end of normal"? I know that if I stop using the androgel 5mg daily that i am currently on I do not have to take anything like that.

**ShadesOfBlue** · 01-10-2013, 11:54 PM

Well, Soar, had to read that you would know that test e - in the form of androgel - has ALREADY "fixed" my spinal problem. It made the physio routine I had been doing for years more effective. Now i can walk normally and I'm off daily oxycontin. So .... since the androgel worked it seems rational to try to increase my testosterone levels more and see if that helps more.

**ShadesOfBlue** · 01-11-2013, 12:37 PM

Anybody? Should I stay on the androgel while I do this? Do I really need hcg like the beginners sticky suggests?

**Bio-Active** · 01-11-2013, 12:50 PM

What kind of PT did you do? Mckenzie method?

**Bigshotvictoria** · 01-11-2013, 12:50 PM

With your medical issues, I wouldn't recommend upping your testosterone dosage. You're already on HRT with the androgel , and it seems to be working. If you start taking test-e shots instead of androgel, you're basically just changing the route of administration of testosterone to bring it back up to optimal levels. by going beyond the normal range of test to a supra-physiological dose you start running the risk of side effects. I'd say forget shooting test, or if you're set on it get your Dr. to switch you from androgel to Test-c 200mg/week. Look, TRT has already helped a lot, it's clearly working; so stay the course you're on.

**ma_fighter** · 01-11-2013, 05:16 PM

Increases in hormonelevels will block out some of the pain (I read an article about this a while back, I'll see if I can find it for you guys, but it works the same way in men as it does in women who are about to give birth), and you will FEEL better, this will go away once you go off the test again.

Even if the hernia itself has healed, which test wont help a bit with btw, there are often "slag" or debris left behind. This can cause almost as much pain and disability as the hernia itself. Should this be the case then there's a quite effective, yet not overly complicated, procedure where a surgeon "vacuums" the debris out of there.

Good luck buddy!

/Maf

**boxingfan30** · 01-12-2013, 12:49 PM

I have several buldging discs... i've thought of everything I can steroid wise, but I haven't seen enough evidence that it would help me. It is known that test will increase bone mass as well as the other obvious effects. If your test is low then you might have lost some bone mass... couldn't hurt to help put some back on.

BTW, I don't use anything, nor have I ever... i'm still looking for my best option.

**Metalject** · 01-12-2013, 02:12 PM

Are you still using AndroGel now? If so, it would be a good idea to get your levels checked, both free and total and see where you're at. A lot of men will find, while AndroGel works well, in time they begin to absorb less of it and need injections. Find out where you are.

Another reason you may be feeling better is due to stopping opiates. Opiates can greatly lower testosterone levels , dramatically with long term use. By coming off the oxy and adding testosterone therapy it's no surprise you feel better.

At your age, it may be possible to reset your test production to where you do not need continuous testosterone therapy. However, if you reintroduce the opiates, in this case it would be very hard. However, again you need to check your levels and see where you're at and continue to have them checked on a regular basis. If you cannot be reset there will be no coming off testosterone therapy and you will need to continue it indefinitely.

**TheSpoonyBard** · 01-12-2013, 04:34 PM

I would almost guarantee that you were originally low on testosterone due to oxy usage. Opiates are hell on your HPTA, especially with long-term use. I'll also go out on a limb and say that barring any pituitary, hypothalamus, or external trauma to the testes, if you were to do a proper PCT and "restart" your system you'd probably be able to make natty test without much of an issue(so longs you stay far far away from any opiates). As Metalject has stated above if you continue on with high levels of exogenous T, you'll be on a TRT protocol for the long haul. I'm speaking from experience bro. Triple laminectomy, triple discectomy, 2 burst discs, stenosis. Long standing romance with all manner of opiates, even longer romance with Suboxone.

**Metalject** · 01-13-2013, 01:01 AM

Originally Posted by TheSpoonyBard

I would almost guarantee that you were originally low on testosterone due to oxy usage. Opiates are hell on your HPTA, especially with long-term use. I'll also go out on a limb and say that barring any pituitary, hypothalamus, or external trauma to the testes, if you were to do a proper PCT and "restart" your system you'd probably be able to make natty test without much of an issue(so longs you stay far far away from any opiates). As Metalject has stated above if you continue on with high levels of exogenous T, you'll be on a TRT protocol for the long haul. I'm speaking from experience bro. Triple laminectomy, triple discectomy, 2 burst discs, stenosis. Long standing romance with all manner of opiates, even longer romance with Suboxone.

Glad you're not on the opiates and suboxone anymore....that crap is some of the worst stuff on earth!

From what I've seen over the years, guys that can restart their natural test production, it seems an extended period of HCG use at a low end dose seems to be the best starting point. This has become somewhat common in some of the better TRT plans that are set up for this purpose. Worth looking into.

**TheSpoonyBard** · 01-13-2013, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by Metalject

Glad you're not on the opiates and suboxone anymore....that crap is some of the worst stuff on earth!

From what I've seen over the years, guys that can restart their natural test production, it seems an extended period of HCG use at a low end dose seems to be the best starting point. This has become somewhat common in some of the better TRT plans that are set up for this purpose. Worth looking into.

Yes sir. I've been using 250iu's of hCG on an E3D Protocol for a few months now. It's an awesome medication. Plumps the ole berries back up to almost pre-TRT size too, lol. IMO, hCG is a must for all AAS users. TRT or otherwise. Great advice Metalject!