Test/Tren cycle

[Brick]

Test prop Weeks 1-4 150mg EOD
Weeks 5-12 30mg EOD
Tren ace. Weeks 5-12 70mg EOD

I am doing the conditioning classic. I want to end my cycle on the last day of the completion so I am in my best shape possible. My test/tren cycle would only be 8 weeks so would it be fine to front load with the test prop for 4 weeks before?

[ScotchGuard02]

Front end loading is to ramp your test level up over time. The half life of Prop's pretty short so you should be able to front end load in a couple of weeks.

[Brick]

Front end loading is to ramp your test level up over time. The half life of Prop's pretty short so you should be able to front end load in a couple of weeks.

So this is a good idea then?

[Turkish Juicer]

There is no such thing as front-loading with light-ester AAS, this notion is only applicable to heavy-ester version such as the Enanthate.

[Brick]

I'm not trying to front load. I want to juice the whole 12 weeks and was wondering if 4 weeks at that dose was smart.

I only wanted to run Tren for 8 weeks.

[ma_fighter]

You do not need to front short esters.
If you want to front a LONG (Cyp, enanthate) ester, you simply double the first shot you do, and bloodlevels will be more or less stable within the first halflife of the steroid injected.

A purely theoretical example:

You're using steroid Xx @ 1000mg/week, with a halflife of 7 days, you inject once a week.
.........No Fronting.......................................Fronting........

Start: 1000mg+0mg=1000mg........................2000mg+0mg=2000mg
Day 7: 500+1000mg=1500mg.......................1000+1000mg=2000mg <<< The first injection has halved, and you end up with 500 or 1000mg esterified hormone still in your body, then introduce another 1000mg..
Day 14: 750+1000mg=1750mg......................1000+1000mg=2000mg
Day 21: 875+1000mg=1875mg......................1000+1000mg=2000mg


Stable bloodlevels more or less off the bat with fronting, not so much so if you're not fronting.
The same principle can be applied to shorter esters, but as you'll reach stable bloodleves fairly quick anyways, there's really no need to do so.

Also I should point out that fronting will require a larger total amount of gear, if you want to keep the time "on" the same.
If you're limited by the amount of gear you have (say 20ml) and intend to use up all of it I dont think it will matter whether you front or not. If you don't then you'll have a 1 week longer cycle instead.

/Maf

[ma_fighter]

I didn't read your post correctly, if the purpose of higher prop the first 4 weeks is simply to get some extra gains, I cant see why not.
At least as long as you're running an AI, so you don't have a bunch of extra estrogen around when you introduce the Tren.

/Maf

[Lunk1]

Do NOT help this troll...j/k lol! Help him but not much

[Brick]

Do NOT help this troll...j/k lol! Help him but not much

Darn you found me lunk!

[Brick]

I didn't read your post correctly, if the purpose of higher prop the first 4 weeks is simply to get some extra gains, I cant see why not.
At least as long as you're running an AI, so you don't have a bunch of extra estrogen around when you introduce the Tren.

/Maf

Thanks for the very detailed post on front loading!

But yes. AI ran during the increased test

[kingcali]

why wouldnt you just start them at the same time with your dose... tren is 5x stronger than anything else and will help you get more gains than the test will any day. ive read multiple threads with people debating this subject of starting test first then tren 2 wks later and for the most part i notice the vets with a few thousand replies and color change always recomend to start them at the same time..

just curious for your reason...

[Brick]

why wouldnt you just start them at the same time with your dose... tren is 5x stronger than anything else and will help you get more gains than the test will any day. ive read multiple threads with people debating this subject of starting test first then tren 2 wks later and for the most part i notice the vets with a few thousand replies and color change always recomend to start them at the same time..

just curious for your reason...

I can't read for you. Did you even look at the first post?