Tren.. PLEASE HELP

[t.tay07]

i'm an 18 year old freshman in college and i play college basketball. i am about 5'9" 160 and need to put on about 20lbs to be taken seriously in this level of basketball. a lot of my older teammates took Tren back when it was legal and it bulked them up real fast. right now im just taking protein, creatine, and post workout and can't seem to gain weight. i'm about as cut as im going to get but we do so much running its hard for me to keep weight on. just wanted to hear some input on Tren or maybe a less extreme alternative. thanks

[MuscleInk]

Nutrition drives weight gains and loses. If you aren't gaining weight, then you aren't consuming enough calories above your TDEE and steroids won't fix that.

Moreover, at 18 years of age the risks outweigh the benefits and tren is certainly not a beginners AAS!!!!

[austinite]

Welcome. This is a very bad idea bro. Sounds to me like you have a serious diet related issue. post your question in our diet section for some help with the pro's.

[The Bear 79]

When was Tren. legal?

[t.tay07]

would there be something else you recommend besides Tren??

[t.tay07]

i just mean when you could pass a test while using

[The Bear 79]

would there be something else you recommend besides Tren??

No steroid is a good idea at your age.

You should research the effects of AAS on the undeveloped endocrine & HPTA.

[MuscleInk]

would there be something else you recommend besides Tren??

Food, food, food. Do you have any idea how many calories you consume daily right now?

[t.tay07]

i don't need a lecture i don't want to research i just want somebody knowledgable to tell me what i should do at this point to gain mass in the next three months.

[t.tay07]

how many should i consume?? i mean do i need to gain fat and then try to turn it to muscle or what? is there anything to speed the cycle up?

[kelkel]

If you care about the long term health of your HPTA you won't even consider AAS for about another 6 years. It can have very debilitating, long term effects on many aspects of your health.

Op, you've heard from some very well educated and informed veteran members of this board. Take the advice.

[austinite]

i don't need a lecture i don't want to research i just want somebody knowledgable to tell me what i should do at this point to gain mass in the next three months.

Here is the deal...

You can run all the gear in the world, if your diet is not fixed, you will not gain anything. AAS has to be fed properly in order for it to work. It merely amplifies your results, but only if you feed it. This is why people must learn to eat before they cycle. It's not magic.

Good luck.

[The Bear 79]

You've already been told what you should do.

And by the way, if you're too lazy to do some self preserving research, then how the fvck do you expect to excel as an athlete, laziness & ambition are like oil & water.

[austinite]

You've already been told what you should do.

And by the way, if you're too lazy to do some self preserving research, then how the fvck do you expect to excel as an athlete, laziness & ambition are like oil & water.

I like lava lamps

[kelkel]

i don't need a lecture i don't want to research i just want somebody knowledgable to tell me what i should do at this point to gain mass in the next three months.

Yes, you do need a lecture. If you spent five minutes researching you could have answered your own questions. Hit the nutrition forum here and the gurus there will help you with your nutrition. It's all about nutrition and training.

[warlord_wang]

I could see maybe if you were 21 or 22 i would help you out but your still a baby

[MuscleInk]

Here is the deal...

You can run all the gear in the world, if your diet is not fixed, you will not gain anything. AAS has to be fed properly in order for it to work. It merely amplifies your results, but only if you feed it. This is why people must learn to eat before they cycle. It's not magic.

Good luck.

^^^Precisely!

Bear will be the first to tell you most people trying to gain lean mass only eat 1/2-1/3 of their required food/calories to gain weight.

.....and nothing happens fast. It takes time and commitment to build lean muscle.

We are not trying to lecture you and if you're not interested in researching anything you have no business even asking. Steroids can be harmful at your age especially when handled without any basic knowledge of how they work and the very real risks.

[The Bear 79]

I like lava lamps

OK, back on track big fella..............I think your ADD is getting out of hand again...............did you take your meds today?

lol

[stpete]

i don't need a lecture i don't want to research i just want somebody knowledgable to tell me what i should do at this point to gain mass in the next three months.

This kind of attitude is going to get you no where fast. You came here asking for advice, we didn't seek you out.

First, i'm surprised any of your buddies could play ball w/tren's cardio history.

Secondly, it's been mentioned about your age and i agree.

I'll end it here although i could go on and on, your diet sucks. You need to re evaluate the staples of a good routine.

Now, i don't need a lecture either. But ^^^^ those are truths!

[t.tay07]

i have no idea what any of this means honestly and between school and basketball and life i honestly just don't have the time to put into this right now. im not lazy i dont lack ambition im a fvcking 5'9" white point guard trying to keep up with these freak athlete black point guards now a days. like i said im not here for the lecture but i figure y'all know what you're talking about and am looking for some advice not what i am doing wrong.. if you don't feel like helping then don't but i rather you tell me what i should do instead of telling me im lazy for asking.

[kelkel]

T.T. everyone has told you what to do. Visit the nutrition forum. If your dead set on AAS then visit another forum.

[warlord_wang]

^^^Precisely!

Bear will be the first to tell you most people trying to gain lean mass only eat 1/2-1/3 of their required food/calories to gain weight.

.....and nothing happens fast. It takes time and commitment to build lean muscle.

We are not trying to lecture you and if you're not interested in researching anything you have no business even asking. Steroids can be harmful at your age especially when handled without any basic knowledge of how they work and the very real risks.

Site need to post this people take this shit for a joke even though i was under age i did my research took me more then a year of reading & asking questions on multiple forums & sites. Educated your self if you're wiling to take the risk if not you don't deserve to be here

[MuscleInk]

i have no idea what any of this means honestly and between school and basketball and life i honestly just don't have the time to put into this right now. im not lazy i dont lack ambition im a fvcking 5'9" white point guard trying to keep up with these freak athlete black point guards now a days. like i said im not here for the lecture but i figure y'all know what you're talking about and am looking for some advice not what i am doing wrong.. if you don't feel like helping then don't but i rather you tell me what i should do instead of telling me im lazy for asking.

We are helping. If you're coming here looking for someone to say "here, take this", without thinking about your health first, then you're in the wrong forum. That's not what we do here.

As said by multiple people, YOU AREN'T EATING NEARLY ENOUGH, guaranteed!

[Tron3219]

i have no idea what any of this means honestly and between school and basketball and life i honestly just don't have the time to put into this right now. im not lazy i dont lack ambition im a fvcking 5'9" white point guard trying to keep up with these freak athlete black point guards now a days. like i said im not here for the lecture but i figure y'all know what you're talking about and am looking for some advice not what i am doing wrong.. if you don't feel like helping then don't but i rather you tell me what i should do instead of telling me im lazy for asking.

No one is telling you that ur lazy, they're telling u the right thing to do and what to do to elevate your physical status in a safe manner. It's just not what you want to hear. Get ur diet in check, abandon the steroid idea.

[warlord_wang]

i have no idea what any of this means honestly and between school and basketball and life i honestly just don't have the time to put into this right now. im not lazy i dont lack ambition im a fvcking 5'9" white point guard trying to keep up with these freak athlete black point guards now a days. like i said im not here for the lecture but i figure y'all know what you're talking about and am looking for some advice not what i am doing wrong.. if you don't feel like helping then don't but i rather you tell me what i should do instead of telling me im lazy for asking.

sounds like a whole bunch of excuses man black people don't have better genetics or all of this other bullshit. God I hate hearing this shit

[t.tay07]

anything else besides eat more and eat better???

[The Bear 79]

i have no idea what any of this means honestly and between school and basketball and life i honestly just don't have the time to put into this right now. im not lazy i dont lack ambition im a fvcking 5'9" white point guard trying to keep up with these freak athlete black point guards now a days. like i said im not here for the lecture but i figure y'all know what you're talking about and am looking for some advice not what i am doing wrong.. if you don't feel like helping then don't but i rather you tell me what i should do instead of telling me im lazy for asking.

Every signal person that had posted in your thread had tried to help in some fashion, for some reason, you can't see that. You've been advised what not to do & you've been advised as to what you should do.

And by the way, Muscle Ink is a licensed doctor / M.D.............maybe you want to listen now..........?

[t.tay07]

and i didn't come here because i was like "oh i need to get bigger im gunna take steroids". all of my teammates took it... so i figured i would look into it. no need to freak out

[Tron3219]

anything else besides eat more and eat better???

What's ur goals? Become faster? Get bigger? What do u think steroids will accomplish for you?

[The Bear 79]

No one is telling you that ur lazy, they're telling u the right thing to do and what to do to elevate your physical status in a safe manner. It's just not what you want to hear. Get ur diet in check, abandon the steroid idea.

Actually............I told him he's lazy...........

[t.tay07]

i will ask again... anything else besides how shitty my nutrition is and i should eat more?? i am listening it just seems repetitive

[austinite]

i will ask again... anything else besides how shitty my nutrition is and i should eat more?? i am listening it just seems repetitive

nope. Nothing else.And its not eating more, its eating right. Please give the nutrition section a try, it wont kill ya.

[MuscleInk]

Every signal person that had posted in your thread had tried to help in some fashion, for some reason, you can't see that. You've been accused what not to do & you've been advised as to what you should do.

And by the way, Muscle Ink is a licensed doctor / M.D.............maybe you want to listen now..........?

Lol, credentials aside.....Bear is a beast and he eats more in a day than most people eat in three days. His success comes from knowing how to eat, how much to eat and training correctly. Any steroid use would make his great dedication even better - but only because he knows how to feed his muscles!

Some of the most knowledgable guys are here. You can learn more from these guys than any of your friends or buddies. If really desire success, then chose one of these guys as your "mentor" and learn everything you can and duplicate their success.

Hit the nutrition forum as suggested. Learn how to eat and lift and the gains you seek WILL come!

[Tron3219]

Actually............I told him he's lazy...........

Lol oops missed that...
Edit:no one but bear lol

[The Bear 79]

i will ask again... anything else besides how shitty my nutrition is and i should eat more?? i am listening it just seems repetitive

And yet you still seen to not get it.
It has literally been spelled out for you but for some reason you refuse to absorb it.

YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DIET & POSSIBLY YOUR TRAINING ROUTINE IN ORDER TO MEET YOUR GOALS.

[t.tay07]

hahah this is awesome i feel like i have 12 mom and dads talking to me right now. ok but any like quick tips or cheats that will help? lol any supplements you recommend? anything at all?? I PROMISE I WILL LOOK INTO CHANGING MY DIET AND TRAINING ROUTINE

[kelkel]

dense (dns)
adj. dens·er, dens·est
1.
a. Having relatively high density.
b. Crowded closely together; compact: a dense population.
2. Hard to penetrate; thick: a dense jungle.
3.
a. Permitting little light to pass through, because of compactness of matter: dense glass; a dense fog.
b. Opaque, with good contrast between light and dark areas. Used of a photographic negative.
4. Difficult to understand because of complexity or obscurity: a dense novel.
5. Slow to apprehend; thickheaded.

[Tron3219]

hahah this is awesome i feel like i have 12 mom and dads talking to me right now. ok but any like quick tips or cheats that will help? lol any supplements you recommend? anything at all?? I PROMISE I WILL LOOK INTO CHANGING MY DIET AND TRAINING ROUTINE

There are a lot of good supplements u can take that a lot of guys will help u out with. I know austinite knows a thing or two about supplements and muscle ink too I believe. But two things, one: wrong forum section, two: no one knows what ur goals are.

[t.tay07]

yes i understand now that i came to the wrong place... but since im here and y'all seem to know your stuff i mine as well ask. and as for my goals i want to get to around 180 as quick as i can so i can adapt my new shot and new flow that comes with being bigger.

[The Bear 79]

hahah this is awesome i feel like i have 12 mom and dads talking to me right now. ok but any like quick tips or cheats that will help? lol any supplements you recommend? anything at all?? I PROMISE I WILL LOOK INTO CHANGING MY DIET AND TRAINING ROUTINE

If you would like some help / advice, we have a nutrition section that is second to none, & its full of very knowledgeable members that know proper nutrition inside out. Post your current diet & goals in that section & let them take you under their wing young grasshopper..............

After that, check out the training / lifting techniques section to get your training routine tuned in.

If you would like any particular member in this thread to help you, just ask, I'm sure any of them would be happy to meet you in the diet & training sections.

Good luck.