Test p and tren cycle advice

[newbie2104]

Hi guys, I'm new to this so please excuse me if I have set this up incorrectly.

I am about to do my first cycle of test p and tren a I want to run it for 6 weeks, I've got my pct and everything's all ready to go however I haven't decided what dosages to run for the two due to researching and finding various opinions on having higher levels of tren then test or the other way around so if you could help advise me I would appreciate that. I plan to inject every second day.

Before you say I'm to young etc, my mind is made up on doing it. So any help would be appreciated.

Stats: 19 years old, height 5ft 6,weight 76kg, body fat 14% this is my 6th year of training.

Also do you think it would be worth while to add armidex into the cycle ?

[Lunk1]

While you made your " my made is made up" position clear, let me ask. ?Have you fully researched the negetive effects of AAS on your endocrine system at your age? Have you also researched the harsh side effects of tren?

Could you tell me what research has told you?

[briansvk]

Well at first everyone here is going to tell you you are too young... But I think it is your choice I started juicing at 20 so I will skip this one.

But, 76kg and 14% BF... well I think you can go at lease 1 or 2 years naturally with nice results, but again your choice.

Test prop with tren is too strong for the first cycle. I would advide to run some test only or test + d-bol cycle.

[JWP806]

As Lunk said and as you know,, you are a little on the young side. I imagine you missed the thread "the steroids and the young." Please make an educated decision here. Since you have already made up your mind to cycle at 19 and have done your research, I'm curious as to how you landed on tren and test as your first cycle?

[newbie2104]

Thank you for the fast replies.

At first I was hesitant to run tren as my first cycle, I have read about all the sides however was reassured with correct use of pct and test that I would be okay.

My plan is to cut down to 6-8 per cent body fat so introducing dbol will not help my causes.

My other option was either winstrol or anavar however I read that winstrol doesn't work until you are under 10%bf and anavar is just for lean muscle bulk hence the why I wanted to use tren.

I know losing fat is all diet, cardio and training but being short and falling into the endomorph body type with a slow metabolism and hard ability to lose weight I'd like to give aas a chance.

[newbie2104]

Test and tren was recommended to me from a friend who had successful results using it himself.

Side effects I have found are: testicular atrophy, insomnia, increases sweating, increased aggression, decrease in sex drive

[briansvk]

If loosing far is the primary goal, try clenbuterol maybe with t3. You dont need to f*ck up hormonal system if you wanna just loose fat.

[newbie2104]

Thanks Brianvsk,

I have used clen with success however my body has adapted to it and its not longer that effective.

Do you have any other suggestions?

[briansvk]

Test and tren was recommended to me from a friend who had successful results using it himself.

Side effects I have found are: testicular atrophy, insomnia, increases sweating, increased aggression, decrease in sex drive

Of course tren is great compound and if used properly the results are even greater... but... not in the first cycle. And not if the goal is just simple fat loss.

Thanks Brianvsk,

I have used clen with success however my body has adapted to it and its not longer that effective.

Do you have any other suggestions?

Try adding T3. Or switch to ECA stack for 3 weeks and after that return to clen if still needed.

[Lunk1]

Tren is not a diet aid. One can cut or bulk on any AAS. It is 110% diet. It's a matter of risk vs. reward and I promise your risks far outweight any reward! You can run all the tren you like and not have a bit of success without having your diet in check!

[newbie2104]

To briansvk
Sorry let me rephrase that it's not just to loose fat but to also had lean muscle. I agree with you that tren wouldn't be a good idea for a first cycle so what else would you be able to suggest

[newbie2104]

To Brianvsk,

Sorry let me rephrase that primary goal is to lose fat but to also increase lean body mass. I agree that tren wouldn't be the smartest option for a first cycle so what you recommend instead?

Thank you for the help

[newbie2104]

To Brianvsk,

I'm more concerned with the potential heart problems I could have with using clen. I've cycled it to much in my opinion

[newbie2104]

Thanks lunk1,

I agree and understand completely but my diet is in check 100 per cent currently on a keto diet. Seems to work best for me.

[briansvk]

I would go with test only if I were you. And if you still feel like you have to stack it with something, stack with primobolan or masteron.

[newbie2104]

So you think adding winstrol or var to the cycle would be a waste of money.

Okay ill keep that in mind

[Lunk1]

Congratz...you have found someone willing to help you fuk up your health! I'm out!

[newbie2104]

To lunk1,

No ones trying to help me fk my health up if anything he's helped me move away from tren and steroids in general.

[Lunk1]

To lunk1,

No ones trying to help me fk my health up if anything he's helped me move away from tren and steroids in general.

Really? He is advising you to use test and perhaps throw other compounds into it! At your age it's very likely you can cause perm. damage to the endocrine system and stop the growth plates from fusing together properly! If he had your health in mind he would assist you in proper nutrition since that is 100% the problem! Your test levels are through the roffat your age...your simply not eating right!

[briansvk]

Congratz...you have found someone willing to help you fuk up your health! I'm out!

**** up his health? I don't think so... Because if I would just write "you are too young" like half of you experts always do, he would quit this forum shit on your opinion and run the cycle as he planned. And **** up his health.
I tried to explain it is not a good idea, but he has already decided. So I am just trying to help him not to **** up his health... at least not as much as he would with your advice which would help him shit.

@newbie2104: If you are really convinced that run a cycle is what you wanna do, run test only cycle. 100mg/EOD test prop. I don't think adding winstrol or var is waste of money, I just don't like shitty oral roids, which are toxic to the liver and their efficiency is much lover comparing to injectables.

[newbie2104]

I get where you're coming from, however I have to disagree in saying my diets clean. I agree that test levels are high I'm able to put on size very quickly and easy the only reason I was going to do test was to reduce the potential sides of tren.

[newbie2104]

Okay thank you for all the advice Brianvsk, appreciate the help.

Same to you lunk1

[Lunk1]

@brian...I did not nor do I ever just say "too young"! I make sure that someone knows 100% the risks to their health!

You have NO idea the amount of young ppl who come on here saying my mind is made up, that I and other members have been able to get through to! That is until some 20 y.o. who has little experience and wants to justify his own use comes along and says..."do it you will be fine, I did and nothing has happened"! Your 20 and may very likely pay for your early use 10-15 years from now!

Your methods are reckless and so is your advise! Not once in this entire thread did you even attempt to explain the health risks of early cycling to the op...why? Because then you would have to admitt your making the same mistake!

[Lunk1]

I get where you're coming from, however I have to disagree in saying my diets clean. I agree that test levels are high I'm able to put on size very quickly and easy the only reason I was going to do test was to reduce the potential sides of tren.

Humor me newbie...post you diet for review in the nutrition forum...your not out anything by having it reviewed are you???

[newbie2104]

To lunk1,

Not sure where all this aggression is coming from I'm not saying I know everything just that I eat clean so sure I have no problem posting my diet on the nutrition page.

[Lunk1]

To lunk1,

Not sure where all this aggression is coming from I'm not saying I know everything just that I eat clean so sure I have no problem posting my diet on the nutrition page.

It's not aggression, it's frustration. It's frustrating to many of us who spent countless hours here trying to help ppl like you be safe and succesful and then a 20 yo comes along and says something that puts your health at risk just because they are silly enough to risk their own health!

[newbie2104]

Well I apologise I didn't initially think it would've been as big a deal as it is. I'll be posting my diet in the next 5 it's just difficult on my phone with average reception.

[newbie2104]

Nutrition help is the title there you are..

[JWP806]

Glad to see you posted your diet in the nutrition section. That is by far the most important aspect in training.

[newbie2104]

Glad to see you posted your diet in the nutrition section. That is by far the most important aspect in training.

Thanks, what are your thoughts on it?
Any aspects that need considerable changing?

[Lunk1]

Well I apologise I didn't initially think it would've been as big a deal as it is. I'll be posting my diet in the next 5 it's just difficult on my phone with average reception.

Well...given the fact that most men continue to grow into there mid 20's and early AAS use could stop that growth...wouldnt you consider that a big deal? Introducing hormones into the body is nmo game!

[newbie2104]

Well...given the fact that most men continue to grow into there mid 20's and early AAS use could stop that growth...wouldnt you consider that a big deal? Introducing hormones into the body is nmo game!

Yes I would however I know I won't grow any taller to both my parents being shorter then I am as well as there parents. Life sucks haha

[Lunk1]

Yes I would however I know I won't grow any taller to both my parents being shorter then I am as well as there parents. Life sucks haha

It's more than just your height...it's complete development!

[newbie2104]

It's more than just your height...it's complete development!

Yeah you're right you never toldme your thoughts on my diet

[Jonnyg419]

Lunk is absolutely right, I just read this thread and I know you are going to do what you are going to do, because you've already put so much effort into the excuses you have mad as to why taking aas is the only way you can get below 14% bf. I dont care what you put in the diet section, I can go copy and past Phil Heath's pre-olympia diet right now and swear up and down that's what I'm doing. You never sneak in any cookies, or a nice tasty burger? Because a lot of 20yr olds who think they have a perfect bodybuilding diet are full of it, I know this because I used to think this. I would count all the nutrient dense stuff that I ate, and mentally block all the crap that I ate. If you can't cut and bulk naturally at your age than you are just another guy praying for that magic pill. I assure you that this is not hostility, this is just the truth, I really don't care if a guy that lives 3000 miles away from me gets limp dick for the rest of his life, I just don't like the excuses that people make to justify their irresponsible aas use. Or maybe I'm wrong, maybe the only way for a human being to possibly get below 14% bf is Tren.

[briansvk]

God you all are so wise...

The thing is, and I will be talking for myself and about myself, there are two groups of people taking AAS. The first group are the ones "praying for that magic pill". And I think that these people shouldn't take AS in any age. It doesn't matter if somebody is 40 and he is lacking testosterone or someone is 20 and thinks that AAS are a good way to gain abs for summer. There is no real reason. And id they do take them and destroy their health, well it is not my problem, is it?

The only people who should even consider AAS use are competitive bodybuilders or people involved in another sports, who HAVE TO TAKE if they want . This is the second group. Because there is NO WAY someone can beat those juicing monsters on Europe or World Championship or NCP even in juniors age. So please stop talking to me as I am a "reckless child" who went to the gym saw a big guy there and thinks he will get as big as him overnight with the ASS. I am competing for 4 years, I am in preparation for national championship right now and in a year I am willing to compete on Juniors Europe or World championship or Arnold classic Europe in heavy weight class. Do you think I don't know that my HPTA may never recover? Or that I might be on TRT for the rest of my life? SO WHAT? If it is the only thing that stands between me and my dream it is the price I am going to pay.

Your methods are reckless and so is your advise! Not once in this entire thread did you even attempt to explain the health risks of early cycling to the op...why? Because then you would have to admit your making the same mistake!

So thats why. I don't think I made a mistake and if I have to make this decision again I would go the same way I did.

Johny you are talking about diet, well yeah a lot of guys think exactly the way you described. But not all of them. For me it is not about 14% body fat... I doubt I am on 14% when I am bulking. Maybe around this number in the end of off-season. For me it is about getting to 3% and under it.

[Lunk1]

god you all are so wise...

The thing is, and i will be talking for myself and about myself, there are two groups of people taking aas. The first group are the ones "praying for that magic pill". And i think that these people shouldn't take as in any age. It doesn't matter if somebody is 40 and he is lacking testosterone or someone is 20 and thinks that aas are a good way to gain abs for summer. There is no real reason. And id they do take them and destroy their health, well it is not my problem, is it?

The only people who should even consider aas use are competitive bodybuilders or people involved in another sports, who have to take if they want . This is the second group. Because there is no way someone can beat those juicing monsters on europe or world championship or ncp even in juniors age. So please stop talking to me as i am a "reckless child" who went to the gym saw a big guy there and thinks he will get as big as him overnight with the ass. I am competing for 4 years, i am in preparation for national championship right now and in a year i am willing to compete on juniors europe or world championship or arnold classic europe in heavy weight class. Do you think i don't know that my hpta may never recover? Or that i might be on trt for the rest of my life? So what? If it is the only thing that stands between me and my dream it is the price i am going to pay.



So thats why. I don't think i made a mistake and if i have to make this decision again i would go the same way i did.

Johny you are talking about diet, well yeah a lot of guys think exactly the way you described. But not all of them. For me it is not about 14% body fat... I doubt i am on 14% when i am bulking. Maybe around this number in the end of off-season. For me it is about getting to 3% and under it.

3% and under lmao!

[briansvk]

3% and under lmao!

Of course answer as I expected. Well yes I have been on 3.3%. Of course just for a day and it was very very hard to get... But it does not matter you know better than me...

[ghettoboyd]

i was always under the impression that humans will die at 3% bf...its just not healthy...

[Back In Black]

i was always under the impression that humans will die at 3% bf...its just not healthy...

True, although that can't be measured by calipers. But, If your essential internal fat drops below 3% you will be no more.