Test only first cycle questions.

**Zodiac85** · 01-15-2013, 10:20 AM

I've been reading these forums like crazy the past couple weeks. I'm trying to figure out my first cycle, which I am not planning to do until later this year, maybe in the fall. I'm considering doing a test only cycle first for various reasons. There's tons of info here, but it's often in response to cycles with several different types of AAS, where mine would be simpler. I'm sure my questions are answered somewhere in these forums, but I could use some help sorting out the information in my head. Feel free to respond with links if I've missed an obvious source to read.

1) I know there are different versions of test that have different speeds that they work at and stick around, but on say a 12 or 14 week cycle does it really matter which? As long as the dosing schedule is appropriate for the type of test? Or would one be preferred over the others?

2) It seems that there's somewhat of a standard to start with 500mg per week. Is this correct? Does this depend on which ester?

3) I plan to get blood work done first. At this time I have no idea what my blood work will say, but what am I expecting on cycle? I understand that this varies dramatically between people, but is that a small increase over my natural test? Twice? Big increase?

4) Is it recommended to use hcg on a test only cycle? This will keep my balls producing their own test, which should increase the amount in my system above not using hcg? But, more test also means more estrogen meaning greater need for an anti-estrogen?

5) I see people doing test and taking only Nolvadex or Arimidex , and others taking both and more during cycle. When doing test only, is one better than another? Or take both?

I'm sure I've missed this info elsewhere, so I appreciate the time to point me in the right direction.

-Zodiac

If it matters or is helpful:

I'm a 35 y/o male.
5'10, 190, 14% bf.

**Gaspaco** · 01-15-2013, 10:28 AM

Welcome!

1-12 test E or C 400-500mg/week
1-12 adex 0.25mg eod or aromasin 12,5mg eod
1-until 4 days before starting PCT run HCG 250iu twice a week.

PCT 14days after last pin!

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Dont forget your diet and workout have to be 100%, roids are not MAGIC!!!

**JWP806** · 01-15-2013, 10:28 AM

Answers in bold.

Originally Posted by Zodiac85

I've been reading these forums like crazy the past couple weeks. I'm trying to figure out my first cycle, which I am not planning to do until later this year, maybe in the fall. I'm considering doing a test only cycle first for various reasons. There's tons of info here, but it's often in response to cycles with several different types of AAS, where mine would be simpler. I'm sure my questions are answered somewhere in these forums, but I could use some help sorting out the information in my head. Feel free to respond with links if I've missed an obvious source to read.

1) I know there are different versions of test that have different speeds that they work at and stick around, but on say a 12 or 14 week cycle does it really matter which? As long as the dosing schedule is appropriate for the type of test? Or would one be preferred over the others? Yes, there are different versions of test and the difference in between them is the ester that is attached to it. If you take test prop you will need every other day injections whereas if you take test cyp or enanthate, you only need to inject twice a week. This is because the half-life of prop is much shorter than C or E. Some feel that water retention is lower with test prop but I'm not sure how much proof there is to that.

2) It seems that there's somewhat of a standard to start with 500mg per week. Is this correct? Does this depend on which ester?500mg/wk is a good starting point. I took 250mg/week when I started my first cycle and had great gains. You can take less than 500mg/week but if you are already going to be shutting down your natural test production with 250mg, you might as well take 500mg/week and get the most out of the cycle. With that being said, you could take 1000mg/wk but if your diet is shit, you aren't going to make the gains you want.

3) I plan to get blood work done first. At this time I have no idea what my blood work will say, but what am I expecting on cycle? I understand that this varies dramatically between people, but is that a small increase over my natural test? Twice? Big increase?Should be a large increase. I don't have much experience with blood work and what the values should be while on cycle.

4) Is it recommended to use hcg on a test only cycle? This will keep my balls producing their own test, which should increase the amount in my system above not using hcg? But, more test also means more estrogen meaning greater need for an anti-estrogen? HCG on cycle will allow your testicles to keep functioning which will make it easier for you to recover when you come off and go into PCT.

5) I see people doing test and taking only Nolvadex or Arimidex , and others taking both and more during cycle. When doing test only, is one better than another? Or take both? You don't take nolvadex on cycle. You will take nolvadex and clomid for PCT. You will want to take an AI (Anti-estrogen) while on cycle to prevent elevated estrogen levels which can lead to shitty sides such as gyno.

I'm sure I've missed this info elsewhere, so I appreciate the time to point me in the right direction.

-Zodiac

If it matters or is helpful:

I'm a 35 y/o male.
5'10, 190, 14% bf.

**songdog** · 01-15-2013, 10:33 AM

Yes it can be confusing just use test eth 10 weeks is fine.The use of HCG is to help in recovery at the end.The ai is to help keep estro in check.Nova and Clomid are for your pct.This is the correct way but many guys do things different.Most of the time its beacuse some friend told them to do it like that.And they dont know why.

**Zodiac85** · 01-15-2013, 11:05 AM

Thanks for the responses.

Follow up questions:

I see a lot of people use a faster acting oral like dianabol at the beginning of the cycle. If I do test only, how long until I would begin to see the effects in my workouts? A few days? Couple weeks?

Also, if I plan to us Arimidex or Aromasin and HCG on cycle, and Clomid and Nolva for PCT, is there anything else I'd need to have on hand, just in case? I guess I'm asking because I see threads where people are in their cycle, but don't have their PCT stuff on hand and that seems kinda risky to me, but makes me wonder if there's anything I'm missing.

**JWP806** · 01-15-2013, 11:09 AM

If you do cyp or enth, you will really feel it during weeks 4-6 and gains will begin to taper off after week 8-9 for most.

Gear, pins, AI, HCG , PCT, tons of food. Should be good to go.

**Armykid93** · 01-15-2013, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Zodiac85

Thanks for the responses.

Follow up questions:

I see a lot of people use a faster acting oral like dianabol at the beginning of the cycle. If I do test only, how long until I would begin to see the effects in my workouts? A few days? Couple weeks?

Also, if I plan to us Arimidex or Aromasin and HCG on cycle, and Clomid and Nolva for PCT, is there anything else I'd need to have on hand, just in case? I guess I'm asking because I see threads where people are in their cycle, but don't have their PCT stuff on hand and that seems kinda risky to me, but makes me wonder if there's anything I'm missing.

Its good it sounds risky to you that they don't have everything on hand because not only is it risky but foolish. Make sure you have EVERYTHING you need to fully complete the cycle before starting it. Your asking for trouble if you do not.

**Soar** · 01-15-2013, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Its good it sounds risky to you that they don't have everything on hand because not only is it risky but foolish. Make sure you have EVERYTHING you need to fully complete the cycle before starting it. Your asking for trouble if you do not.

^ Make sure to have everything you need before you start. As for the Dbol kick start you dont need that on your first cycle. you can expect to feel the test kick in around week 5, some shorter. Me personally I feel like a jack rabbit within the first few weeks...

**Zodiac85** · 01-15-2013, 11:33 AM

Sounds good. As for the diet, that is one of the reasons I'm waiting to get started. I do pretty well, but I've definitely realized that it's not controlled to the level that you guys do. I'm looking more for size and strength gains at a decent bf%. I set all my current pr's at about 210 lbs and somewhere around 20+%. Then I cut down too quickly and lost a LOT of strength. Now I'm getting back close to some of my previous pr's but at about 14%. I'm planning to stay at this level or even a little lower and set some new pr's before I think about getting into any aas. Thanks.

**JayIsPumped** · 01-15-2013, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by Zodiac85

Thanks for the responses.

Follow up questions:

I see a lot of people use a faster acting oral like dianabol at the beginning of the cycle. If I do test only, how long until I would begin to see the effects in my workouts? A few days? Couple weeks?

Also, if I plan to us Arimidex or Aromasin and HCG on cycle, and Clomid and Nolva for PCT, is there anything else I'd need to have on hand, just in case? I guess I'm asking because I see threads where people are in their cycle, but don't have their PCT stuff on hand and that seems kinda risky to me, but makes me wonder if there's anything I'm missing.

ive used Dbol and I started to feel it within the first week and saw results close to week 2..then about week 3-5 depending on dosage ull explode, ull see a lot of ppl say water weight is associated with Dbol but if u eat clean and do mild cardio like walk on treadmill at an incline and keep heartrate around 145 ull keep off the excess fat and water weight..i had ppl asking what roids I was taking because gains were that noticeable from dbol alone.. loved it