women and anavar

**t-dogg** · 01-17-2013, 05:41 PM

Im searching for a thread that was made here talking not to long ago about doses and such for women and anavar .

A link would be great lol. I cant find it yet. My cousins wife wants to run a cycle soon so i want to be spot on correct. Im pretty sure im right but want the powder cycle length and dose for reinsurance.

**Lunk1** · 01-17-2013, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Im searching for a thread that was made here talking not to long ago about doses and such for women and anavar .

A link would be great lol. I cant find it yet. My cousins wife wants to run a cycle soon so i want to be spot on correct. Im pretty sure im right but want the powder cycle length and dose for reinsurance.

Would Electra Maddox log help T.?

**t-dogg** · 01-17-2013, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Would Electra Maddox log help T.?

Yes, i was looking at one a few weeks ago. Guess im a blonde for not finding it. I hate using my phone when im not home...

**t-dogg** · 01-17-2013, 11:35 PM

found the thread.

**valkyrie** · 01-18-2013, 12:55 AM

Yeah so I have a vagina and I've done thousands of mg of anavar probably more than 10k. I have also cycled dozens of women and I will tell you that the dosing recommendations on the internet are ridiculous. Written by men that have never worked with women and AAS. The minimum dose to get the benefit is 20mg ED. That's the minimum please don't run her on less.

**warmouth** · 01-18-2013, 02:15 AM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Yeah so I have a vagina and I've done thousands of mg of anavar probably more than 10k. I have also cycled dozens of women and I will tell you that the dosing recommendations on the internet are ridiculous. Written by men that have never worked with women and AAS. The minimum dose to get the benefit is 20mg ED. That's the minimum please don't run her on less.

I like that a woman who is experienced with a compound can chime in and give a hands on answer. I have read, as I believe you are referring too, that anything over 10mgs can possible lead to virilization in women. While I honestly have no idea, do you believe this to be true, or do you think it has to be much higher?

**twitz** · 01-18-2013, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Yeah so I have a vagina and I've done thousands of mg of anavar probably more than 10k. I have also cycled dozens of women and I will tell you that the dosing recommendations on the internet are ridiculous. Written by men that have never worked with women and AAS. The minimum dose to get the benefit is 20mg ED. That's the minimum please don't run her on less.

Bahaha... this made me laugh...

I am currently on my 5th day of an anavar cycle and started at 10mg ED, soon I'm bumping it up to 20mg, then 30mg and if everything goes well, even more than that. If you look into suggested dosages for anavar you will find that bodybuilders typically dose at 0.125-2.5mg per kg of body weight. I am 68kg, so even if I ramp up to 50mg ED I will be dosing at 0.73mg/BW.

I get that people suggest 10mg/day for woman because of course there can be sides. It's a risk you take when you use steroids . I know several women who have cycled at 50mg/day and the only sides they have experienced were acne and clit sensitivity. Those pornos you see where the clit actually looks like a small penis is not from anavar use that is caused by much stronger steroids , test etc. Acne is a side caused by most aas, if you can't deal with it you probably should not be using.

I'm keeping a journal on another forum, but I would be willing to keep it here if people are interested. I log my measurements, training for the day, marcos (and soon it will be all food) and supplements. If people want to see another log made by a female I will gladly post up, but it is very time consuming and I don't want to commit to it if there is no interest.

**anahny** · 01-18-2013, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by twitz

Bahaha... this made me laugh...

I am currently on my 5th day of an anavar cycle and started at 10mg ED, soon I'm bumping it up to 20mg, then 30mg and if everything goes well, even more than that. If you look into suggested dosages for anavar you will find that bodybuilders typically dose at 0.125-2.5mg per kg of body weight. I am 68kg, so even if I ramp up to 50mg ED I will be dosing at 0.73mg/BW.

I get that people suggest 10mg/day for woman because of course there can be sides. It's a risk you take when you use steroids . I know several women who have cycled at 50mg/day and the only sides they have experienced were acne and clit sensitivity. Those pornos you see where the clit actually looks like a small penis is not from anavar use that is caused by much stronger steroids , test etc. Acne is a side caused by most aas, if you can't deal with it you probably should not be using.

I'm keeping a journal on another forum, but I would be willing to keep it here if people are interested. I log my measurements, training for the day, marcos (and soon it will be all food) and supplements. If people want to see another log made by a female I will gladly post up, but it is very time consuming and I don't want to commit to it if there is no interest.

I think im in love

**t-dogg** · 01-18-2013, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Yeah so I have a vagina and I've done thousands of mg of anavar probably more than 10k. I have also cycled dozens of women and I will tell you that the dosing recommendations on the internet are ridiculous. Written by men that have never worked with women and AAS. The minimum dose to get the benefit is 20mg ED. That's the minimum please don't run her on less.

Thank you for your advise and insuring me you have a vagina.

**t-dogg** · 01-18-2013, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by twitz

Bahaha... this made me laugh...

I am currently on my 5th day of an anavar cycle and started at 10mg ED, soon I'm bumping it up to 20mg, then 30mg and if everything goes well, even more than that. If you look into suggested dosages for anavar you will find that bodybuilders typically dose at 0.125-2.5mg per kg of body weight. I am 68kg, so even if I ramp up to 50mg ED I will be dosing at 0.73mg/BW.

I get that people suggest 10mg/day for woman because of course there can be sides. It's a risk you take when you use steroids . I know several women who have cycled at 50mg/day and the only sides they have experienced were acne and clit sensitivity. Those pornos you see where the clit actually looks like a small penis is not from anavar use that is caused by much stronger steroids , test etc. Acne is a side caused by most aas, if you can't deal with it you probably should not be using.

I'm keeping a journal on another forum, but I would be willing to keep it here if people are interested. I log my measurements, training for the day, marcos (and soon it will be all food) and supplements. If people want to see another log made by a female I will gladly post up, but it is very time consuming and I don't want to commit to it if there is no interest.

Im very interested. Actually you can pm me with it please.

**Bio-Active** · 01-18-2013, 12:32 PM

I am interested as well

**calstate23** · 01-18-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

Yeah so I have a vagina and I've done thousands of mg of anavar probably more than 10k. I have also cycled dozens of women and I will tell you that the dosing recommendations on the internet are ridiculous. Written by men that have never worked with women and AAS. The minimum dose to get the benefit is 20mg ED. That's the minimum please don't run her on less.

Well I think it depends on what type of physique the woman is looking for....From what I have seen and heard their expectations usually seem to be a lot different then what they really want....And I think for the most part get confused what certain compounds do and at what dose...

It's completely different for instance for a women who wants to compete or a women who just wants to look a little bit stronger and leaner....

I personally only give 5mg's a week...And bump up 5 mg's a week until the sides to benefit ratio are at it's peak....I wouldn't want to just start someone off at 20 mg's and hope they can handle the sides....

Although, I am not a woman and they always confuse me and what they are looking for so I always take the safe side...You definitely wouldn't want to upset them in one of their var mood swings...

Ha ha jk

**twitz** · 01-18-2013, 03:02 PM

Awe

Are you painted silver?! We had silver & gold painted men at a a Christmas party a few years ago... yuuummmm lol!

**twitz** · 01-18-2013, 03:08 PM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Im very interested. Actually you can pm me with it please.

Originally Posted by jim230027

I am interested as well

I have started it in the members cycle results section. I have enough to run it for 14 weeks... should be interesting

**t-dogg** · 01-18-2013, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by twitz

I have started it in the members cycle results section. I have enough to run it for 14 weeks... should be interesting

I subbed.

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-18-2013, 04:56 PM

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UPnTAmt5mSM

That's the var log I've been working on... I'm going to be doing pct soon. Idk if this is something close to what you're looking for.

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-18-2013, 04:58 PM

Originally Posted by calstate23

Well I think it depends on what type of physique the woman is looking for....From what I have seen and heard their expectations usually seem to be a lot different then what they really want....And I think for the most part get confused what certain compounds do and at what dose...

It's completely different for instance for a women who wants to compete or a women who just wants to look a little bit stronger and leaner...

I personally only give 5mg's a week...And bump up 5 mg's a week until the sides to benefit ratio are at it's peak....I wouldn't want to just start someone off at 20 mg's and hope they can handle the sides....

Although, I am not a woman and they always confuse me and what they are looking for so I always take the safe side...You definitely wouldn't want to upset them in one of their var mood swings...

Ha ha jk

I agree 100%

**t-dogg** · 01-18-2013, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by ElectraMaddox

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UPnTAmt5mSM

That's the var log I've been working on... I'm going to be doing pct soon. Idk if this is something close to what you're looking for.

Yes, i started reading it last night. Thank you.

**warmouth** · 01-18-2013, 05:16 PM

Originally Posted by ElectraMaddox

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UPnTAmt5mSM

That's the var log I've been working on... I'm going to be doing pct soon. Idk if this is something close to what you're looking for.

You shouldnt need to PCT, unless there is a "woman" secret that I dont know about. But general consensus is that since women dont have testicles, they have no reason for PCT.

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-18-2013, 05:24 PM

Yeah but I researched women who cycled and what their thoughts were on pct for a female... I'm going to go through my thread and I'll post it on here... For you

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-18-2013, 05:26 PM

After women come off steroids ... They face depression and estrogen rebound... But I'll show you the pct for females hold on a sec and I'll get. It

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-18-2013, 05:27 PM

" Post Cycle Therapy For WOMEN
ok... this subject has been up for debate for as long as i can remember... There are not many studies nor research as with aas and PCT for men...

So, i figured it was about time to make a post about women's PCT options to help out women when coming off a cycle and to help men help women since we are VERY different!!!

Post Cycle Therapy i am sure you have heard time and time again... For men, this usually includes an ancillary to re-stimulate natural test production etc. With women, PCT is VERY VERY different.
I know it has been the general assumption that women do not need PCT, however, it has come to my attention (and from years of experience) that we actually DO in fact need PCT...

Post Cycle Therapy for women obviously does NOT include a test stimulant, but rather other factors...

Tapers: Everyone wants to know about tapering... Well, that really depends on the aas you are using... The milder the aas, the less the taper. For example, anavar does not call for a taper, however many women have seen less side effects post cycle with a little post cycle taper. This may be 1 week after you complete your cycle where you taper down. Considering the average dosage is 10mgs, a taper would be: (5, 5, 5, 2.5, 2.5, 2.5)

In my own personal experience with anavar, a taper for me really isn't necessary... so just stopping is fine. HOWEVER, i do apply Post Cycle Therapy!

I feel PCT should be considered due to these reasons:
Depression: MANY women report depression post cycle. I personally got it really really badly last nov, so now the last week of my cycle, i start cycling in 5HTP. You can also use St. Johns wart or valerian root etc...
Estrogen Rebound: Granted anavar is a mild androgenic , it is still an androgen. Some women experience a slight estrogen rebound. I personally have ALSO experienced this...
One of the ways i counteract it is to take "Twinlabs Male Fuel". This actually aids allowing my test levels to lower but not drop, thus preventing an estrogen rebound. When a hormone drops suddenly another one always tends to increase to counteract, even though it may not be beneficial to us...
Another way is to use a very very mild dosage of an estrogen suppressor (ie. nolvadex ) to allow the estrogen to slowly level out as the test levels fall post cycle. (As our test levels begin to return to normal and decrease, estrogen will increase post cycle, due to the fact that an aas does suppress estrogen levels a bit, so a suppressor will control the speed at which it increases- thus preventing a possible estrogen rebound!)
Appetite: Most AAS tend to increase your appetite. This has a bit to do with an accelerated metabolism (increased muscle and protein synthesis), nevertheless, aas can increase appetite. With that said, I think a strict diet should follow your cycle.
My reasoning for this is that fact that since you have an increased appetite from using an aas, now that that is over, you will continue to experience an increased appetite, but with no aas anymore. Basically saying that now that you are OFF, you will not be using all the calories/fuel as efficiently as when you were ON. So if you splurge like crazy, you WILL notice a rebound in weight and or fat. Get it
I HIGHLY recommend a clean diet for about 2 weeks POST cycle!!

Those are the 3 main factors i can think of that may cause havoc with a woman's mental and physical well being post cycle... They are ALL factors i have personally dealt with, struggled with and learned to control!

As a female who is using aas, PLEASE know ALL the facts!!! Be over-prepared! There is nothing worse then a women who loves her results from weeks of suffering, training, dieting, etc... only to waste all her hard work and experience negative side effects post cycle... Estrogen rebound is a bitch. Weight/fat rebound is a bitch. Depression, we won't even go there lol...

So please ladies... LISTEN to your body. Get to really know what works for YOUR body! You may never need post cycle therapy, but you may... so good"

**Metalject** · 01-18-2013, 09:31 PM

As someone else said it really depends on the goals of the person and what they're trying to do. I've found most of my female figure competitors have always done very well with as little as 10mg of Anavar a day. A lot of them use HGH as well and generally a fair amount of Clen and possibly T3 but with or without a mere 10mg usually works well. If more is needed, well sure, more is needed. I've had several girls have good success with low dose Anavar and Primo stacks. EQ can be a really good one too. Now I'll admit, I haven't had a lot of female bodybuilding clients over the years, primarily figure and some bikini.

I also agree, low dose Nolvadex use at the end can be very beneficial.

**valkyrie** · 01-19-2013, 01:55 AM

I don't think higher dose is only for those who want to compete. Not really. Almost any woman can achieve her goals on anavar primo and HGH just those three the difference is in dose and Tims out I . Most can with anavar only. Now please tell me, do I look like a competitive bodybuilder?

Granted not lean here but I never get super lean. Don't compete dont have to.

Yes AAS is pretty magical but no dose of var is going to blow a woman up.

My personal approach is take it up to a high dose so you can really experience what it is like ans what it is doing to/for you. Then if you want to drop it you can. Most girls drop of because of acne or because they gain weight. Once their mind adjusts that they are getting smaller but weight more they up if again. I have so many example pics from my girls none of them look anything but more feminine and beaufil after 'high' dose AAS.

On 10mg per say I would be wondering the entire cycle if anything was happening yet! I think we should get that O****YEAH! Feeling from AAS that you guys get. At least the first time!

I basically cruise on 30mg anavar ED year round. I have magic HDL what can I say. For cycle acne I take anavar other than that the only sides I didn't want was on a three compound stack var primo provi I won't do that again.

20mgED MINIMUM and I like a girl to go right up to 40 or 50 feel it experience it and then drop dose if she wants.

**Metalject** · 01-19-2013, 02:00 AM

I understand what you're saying. I do, however, alway wonder how good the quality people's Anavar is. I really feel most women can see some great progress on as little as 10mg/ed if the product is top notch...which can be hard to find at times and often expensive. And I agree, some can get away with more. I know women who take a lot more than 20mg/ed and some of them get away with it just fine. Others not as much....like so many things it just depends on the person.

BTW, great pics!

**t-dogg** · 01-19-2013, 02:44 AM

Great pics wow

I wish I could run anavar year round...

**GirlyGymRat** · 01-19-2013, 04:14 AM

Originally Posted by t-dogg

Im very interested. Actually you can pm me with it please.

Twist. I am going to subs as well. I will be running a cycle later this year!

**spywizard** · 01-19-2013, 07:25 AM

hmmm my wife loves anavar but stays more with the 10mg max dose... I'm going o get her to try at least a 20mg, the 10mg works well for her, strength gains and no sides, but I'll see if she's game for that.. should be interesting though...

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-19-2013, 07:28 AM

Honestly though there's so many variables involved to have any difinatative statement. I personally wouldn't run var at 30mg I'm on 12.5 mg and have had amazing results, quality of the compound, diet, work out regimine and how you're body responds to the compound and you're natural hormone levels are all things to consider. I have had amazing results on that dosage I don't see a need to increase my risk benefit ratio. As a woman the more aas the more youre placing yourself at risk for infertility and a lot of other negative sides. I want results but I believe aas is a aid or a tool to achieve a goal. I would not be taking a higher dosage or expose myself to unnecessary risk and that's what happens every time you up the dosage.

**twitz** · 01-19-2013, 12:36 PM

You're right, there are so many variables it really does depend on the person and their goals. Some women have the belief that lifting heavy will make them huge but are willing to take aas to 'tone'. Some take anavar and don't follow a proper training program, they just do light circuit training and cardio hoping for a little fat loss. IMO there is no point in taking aas for this goal, work on your diet and routine.

Then you have woman who want to compete, gain lbm, increase strength etc. Look at the pics above (props to you Valkyrie, you look incredible!

), it is obvious that this poster weight trains and follows a proper diet. No amount of ass is going to make a gal look like that… that is hard work and dedication! I don’t think she was suggesting that ladies jump into taking 20mg ED as a starting point, I think the suggestion was to work your way up to at least that dosage.

Another thing to consider is that anavar seems to be a starting steroid for women. Some women are happy with their results and some jump to other steroids (primo, winny… Electra, I think you are considering masteron ?). I think female needs to look at their goals, factor in that they may want to cycle again, and then consider sides. If you are not comfortable with the thought of that than maybe aas isn’t for you.

I’m happy that we have a place to talk freely about this, and that there are other females here to offer their experience

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-19-2013, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by twitz

You're right, there are so many variables it really does depend on the person and their goals. Some women have the belief that lifting heavy will make them huge but are willing to take aas to 'tone'. Some take anavar and don't follow a proper training program, they just do light circuit training and cardio hoping for a little fat loss. IMO there is no point in taking aas for this goal, work on your diet and routine.

Then you have woman who want to compete, gain lbm, increase strength etc. Look at the pics above (props to you Valkyrie, you look incredible!

), it is obvious that this poster weight trains and follows a proper diet. No amount of ass is going to make a gal look like that… that is hard work and dedication! I don’t think she was suggesting that ladies jump into taking 20mg ED as a starting point, I think the suggestion was to work your way up to at least that dosage.

Another thing to consider is that anavar seems to be a starting steroid for women. Some women are happy with their results and some jump to other steroids (primo, winny… Electra, I think you are considering masteron ?). I think female needs to look at their goals, factor in that they may want to cycle again, and then consider sides. If you are not comfortable with the thought of that than maybe aas isn’t for you.

I’m happy that we have a place to talk freely about this, and that there are other females here to offer their experience

Exactly everyone has different goals. I am competing in a few months in bikini even though I need muscle def I don't need to be overly developed, the dosage I'm on is doing exactly what I have in mind. As for mast is something I'm considering as contest prep for a harder look before the show. I just don't think any two people are the same. Like I said there's way to many variables. I would start low and work your way up to your tolerance level as for me, I'm content where I am.

**calstate23** · 01-19-2013, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

I don't think higher dose is only for those who want to compete. Not really. Almost any woman can achieve her goals on anavar primo and HGH just those three the difference is in dose and Tims out I . Most can with anavar only. Now please tell me, do I look like a competitive bodybuilder?

Granted not lean here but I never get super lean. Don't compete dont have to.

Yes AAS is pretty magical but no dose of var is going to blow a woman up.

My personal approach is take it up to a high dose so you can really experience what it is like ans what it is doing to/for you. Then if you want to drop it you can. Most girls drop of because of acne or because they gain weight. Once their mind adjusts that they are getting smaller but weight more they up if again. I have so many example pics from my girls none of them look anything but more feminine and beaufil after 'high' dose AAS.

On 10mg per say I would be wondering the entire cycle if anything was happening yet! I think we should get that O****YEAH! Feeling from AAS that you guys get. At least the first time!

I basically cruise on 30mg anavar ED year round. I have magic HDL what can I say. For cycle acne I take anavar other than that the only sides I didn't want was on a three compound stack var primo provi I won't do that again.

20mgED MINIMUM and I like a girl to go right up to 40 or 50 feel it experience it and then drop dose if she wants.

You look good....

There is just so many variables...For women there is fitness, bikini, bodybuilding etc...

Like I said I always get confused what women really want....So many times women will explain to me what they want and they will say I want to be BIG and very muscular, shredded muscles everywhere...And the way they explain it sometimes I'm thinking like damn this girl wants to on the Olympia stage and on high test dose or something...

Then I ask her to find me the perfect picture of what she wants her physique to look like and it's some bikini competitor...Then I'm like THIS is what you wanted???? Ha ha

Plus, I think a lot comes down to how much effort the person really puts in to it...As always, there is guys in the gym that are stacking high dose compounds yet there are some all natural guys that look 10 times bigger and stronger...

Again, I'm scared sometimes ha ha...I will hear so many times I look good but I'm too musculelly, or to shredded or to big.....

I will not even ask a girl what she wants anymore...I only say show me a picture EXACTLY what you want...Then I don't get the kick to the nards ha ha

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-19-2013, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by calstate23

You look good....

There is just so many variables...For women there is fitness, bikini, bodybuilding etc...

Like I said I always get confused what women really want....So many times women will explain to me what they want and they will say I want to be BIG and very muscular, shredded muscles everywhere...And the way they explain it sometimes I'm thinking like damn this girl wants to on the Olympia stage and on high test dose or something...

Then I ask her to find me the perfect picture of what she wants her physique to look like and it's some bikini competitor...Then I'm like THIS is what you wanted???? Ha ha

Plus, I think a lot comes down to how much effort the person really puts in to it...As always, there is guys in the gym that are stacking high dose compounds yet there are some all natural guys that look 10 times bigger and stronger...

Again, I'm scared sometimes ha ha...I will hear so many times I look good but I'm too musculelly, or to shredded or to big.....

I will not even ask a girl what she wants anymore...I only say show me a picture EXACTLY what you want...Then I don't get the kick to the nards ha ha

That's seriously the best way to go... Or do you want to look like Laura prestin, Andrea brazier or db. They all have muscular bodies but completely different

**ElectraMaddox** · 01-19-2013, 02:05 PM

Dlb*

**valkyrie** · 01-20-2013, 01:56 AM

Originally Posted by metalject

i understand what you're saying. I do, however, alway wonder how good the quality people's anavar is. I really feel most women can see some great progress on as little as 10mg/ed if the product is top notch...which can be hard to find at times and often expensive. And i agree, some can get away with more. I know women who take a lot more than 20mg/ed and some of them get away with it just fine. Others not as much....like so many things it just depends on the person.

Btw, great pics!

mass spectromoter tested and accurately dosed but thanks for asking.

**Metalject** · 01-20-2013, 04:58 AM

Originally Posted by valkyrie

mass spectromoter tested and accurately dosed but thanks for asking.

Do I sense I irritated you? LOL! Gotta ask, seems people tend to get offended easily around here, which I never actually mean to do. Again, your pics look great. It seems whatever you're doing is working really well. Keep it up!

**r.angel** · 03-16-2013, 10:30 AM

Hello there,

This is my first time posting in here and I would like to know what you think about my cycle.. last time i took steroids was 10 years ago !!!

Goal:
lose bf , lean down and get ripped ( as anybody on anavar , i guess )

Status:
Female
30 years
5'7

issue:
I do not want to be a bodybuilder or compete !! I want to get ripped to look fit ,not to look as a competitor... and im sorry you guys bodybuilder but there is a BIG difference.

I started taking anavar on tuesday , so today is my 4th day.
10mg tab ,so i bought a pill cutter at the pharmacy and cut in 4. No problem at all.. so taking 2.5mg at 8:45am and 2.5mg 8:45pm after meals.

I have a personal trainer every friday to keep track of my progress and also got a diet from another bikini bodybuilder/personal trainer friend of mine. My question is about the diet , it is confidential and I can not share the entire diet and supplements in here because is their work and they get paid for it but Im wondering how much of protein would be necessary to be on var , getting ripped but not getting huge muscle.
Im not an expert and THATS WHY I hired a personal trainer and someone to get me the diet and also someone else to get me onto the AAS.

I have basically meals every 3h (max) each with 100g of pure animal protein ( extra lean ground beef , chicken , bison , turkey etc ) .. basically it will add to lets say 550g of MEAT per day .. plus protein shake after workout and all the other stuff.

So.. what are the thoughts about the meat/protein per day in order to get muscle while on var AND losing BF ?

ps: Ill go up to 10mg on monday.
Thanks

**Ulthar91** · 08-21-2016, 11:57 AM

Hello guys, I know this is an old post but I'm really interested in dosage for women who want to compete. I'm interested in the figure division, so 10 mg daily are too low? I don't understand, someone says to start with really a low dose (5 mg daily sounds a bit ridicolous for a girl who wants to compete). 20 mg daily for 4 weeks? What do you think? Is necessary tape up and down for only 4 weeks?