2nd cycle, anavar and test e?

[Junk bomb]

I'm planning my 2nd cycle, my first cycle was 400mg of test e a week for 12 weeks And 40mg of dbol for first 4 weeks. Had small gains but suspect the gear was underdosed or bunk only gained 5 kilos.
Anyway my 2nd cycle I'm thinking 600mg of test for 12 weeks and stacked with anavar . I've got 100 tabs of 10mg anavar and going to get 3 vials of test e.

I've just want to finish my 2nd 2 week cycle of clen and thinking of maybe adding clen into pct? How should I do this? And how much anavar should I be taking?

[austinite]

Hey Junk bomb.

What are your full stats? You don't have enough gear to run a cycle anyway.

[Turkish Juicer]

Maybe it was your crappy diet that failed to deliver the gains as opposed to your gear being under-dosed or bunk?

I would hit the nutrition section first and share the layout my nutritional plan in detail with the rest of the board members before jumping to the 2nd cycle.

As for the mistakes you have made in the past and about to make in the sooner future;

1. You were too young when you started your 1st cycle, you still are for another one for that matter.

2. You probably failed to eat as much as you should have, daily caloric intake wasn't adjusted to meet the demands.

3. You shouldn't have kick-started your 1st Test only cycle with an oral.

4. You have no business stacking your 2nd cycle with Anavar or with a secondary compound for that matter.

5. Even if you did use Anavar for your 2nd cycle, 100tabs is not even going to last you for 15 days so what's the point?

6. Clen is horrible for your hearth and will only give you further damage. Overeating is the strategy to go for during PCT in order to prevent as much muscle loss as possible but how would you know about this since you haven't done enough research before jumping on this wagon.

Use your head.

[Sick_beard]

thinking of maybe adding clen into pct

I think you need a better understanding of nutrition and bodybuilding. Don't think the gear was bunk.

[lovbyts]

Maybe it was your crappy diet that failed to deliver the gains as opposed to your gear being under-dosed or bunk?

I would hit the nutrition section first and share the layout my nutritional plan in detail with the rest of the board members before jumping to the 2nd cycle.

As for the mistakes you have made in the past and about to make in the sooner future;

1. You were too young when you started your 1st cycle, you still are for another one for that matter.

2. You probably failed to eat as much as you should have, daily caloric intake wasn't adjusted to meet the demands.

3. You shouldn't have kick-started your 1st Test only cycle with an oral.

4. You have no business stacking your 2nd cycle with Anavar or with a secondary compound for that matter.

5. Even if you did use Anavar for your 2nd cycle, 100tabs is not even going to last you for 15 days so what's the point?

6. Clen is horrible for your hearth and will only give you further damage. Overeating is the strategy to go for during PCT in order to prevent as much muscle loss as possible but how would you know about this since you haven't done enough research before jumping on this wagon.

Use your head.

I wish you would not pvssy foot around and cuddle these newbies so much. You need to learn to open up and say what you are really thinking/feeling. It's not good to keep it all bottled up inside.



I like you, you save me a lot of typing. hehehehe

[Junk bomb]

Maybe it was your crappy diet that failed to deliver the gains as opposed to your gear being under-dosed or bunk?

I would hit the nutrition section first and share the layout my nutritional plan in detail with the rest of the board members before jumping to the 2nd cycle.

As for the mistakes you have made in the past and about to make in the sooner future;

1. You were too young when you started your 1st cycle, you still are for another one for that matter.

2. You probably failed to eat as much as you should have, daily caloric intake wasn't adjusted to meet the demands.

3. You shouldn't have kick-started your 1st Test only cycle with an oral.

4. You have no business stacking your 2nd cycle with Anavar or with a secondary compound for that matter.

5. Even if you did use Anavar for your 2nd cycle, 100tabs is not even going to last you for 15 days so what's the point?

6. Clen is horrible for your hearth and will only give you further damage. Overeating is the strategy to go for during PCT in order to prevent as much muscle loss as possible but how would you know about this since you haven't done enough research before jumping on this wagon.

Use your head.

Thanks but I'm not as stupid as your making me out to be.. I did weeks and weeks of research on everything I tried. The only thing I really did wrong was not waiting another year or 2 and adding dbol , everything else I did as I read here. I ate properly, trained hard had my ai and pct, had all my sups and everything.

How much anavar would I need? 40mg per day for 4 weeks? I thought with 100 tabs id get to 25 days, would that be worth it? My mates are all doing var by itself and don't know what they're doing.

And for the clen, I've only done one 2 week cycle and it gave me great results, lost 4kg and got stronger as well. I was only planning on doing one more cycle just to cut bf before the test and anavar cycle..

Please don't judge me as a complete idiot. Most of my mates have done several cycles including tren , sus, deca , prop, dbol and clen without any pct or ai and drinking alcohol and not eating right and have still made good gains, they won't listen to me or read this site, so I'd rather ask some questions and at least have more knowledge then not, even if I decide to do this cycle so I can at least help others who are to dumb and impatient to do their own research.

[snowman]

Thanks but I'm not as stupid as your making me out to be.. I did weeks and weeks of research on everything I tried. The only thing I really did wrong was not waiting another year or 2 and adding dbol , everything else I did as I read here. I ate properly, trained hard had my ai and pct, had all my sups and everything.

How much anavar would I need? 40mg per day for 4 weeks? I thought with 100 tabs id get to 25 days, would that be worth it? My mates are all doing var by itself and don't know what they're doing.

And for the clen , I've only done one 2 week cycle and it gave me great results, lost 4kg and got stronger as well. I was only planning on doing one more cycle just to cut bf before the test and anavar cycle..

Please don't judge me as a complete idiot. Most of my mates have done several cycles including tren, sus, deca, prop, dbol and clen without any pct or ai and drinking alcohol and not eating right and have still made good gains, they won't listen to me or read this site, so I'd rather ask some questions and at least have more knowledge then not, even if I decide to do this cycle so I can at least help others who are to dumb and impatient to do their own research.

Bro, if you are not has stupid as someone is making you out to be, then please, listen to what Turkish Juicer is telling you, he is giving you the best advice and what you did wrong... you are to young and will be to young for another 3 more years... you say, you did weeks of research on everything you tried, and on that research, it did not say you were to young? did it, not say for a first cycle to use test only ? why add Dbol if you did all this research?
you did several things wrong and i also suspect it had to do with you diet... i can gain 5 kilos on creatine alone in 6 weeks....

[Junk bomb]

Well that's why i think it was fake, I upped my calories and ate so much more and trained so much harder and got barely any results, no more than I would naturally. If it was real, then it didn't give me any bad side effects and the dbols didn't either, and that means I've recovered back to normal so that must mean my age wouldn't matter..

[Sick_beard]

You're complaining about not gaining enough weight, so why do you wanna use clen ? It's a useless drug anyway no matter your goals imo.

If you're diet/ training are really in check, and you have good knowledge of proper PCT, then I'd recommend you run a 12 week test @ 500mg/ week and that's it. If your gear 1st cycle was bunk, then you have to treat this as your 1st cycle, and you better get blood work done this time if you take your health seriously.

BTW, I really feel sorry for your mates. Check back on them in a few years, they'll be the kind of people drinking red bulls all day and working at factories all night. They'll be mentally and emotionally handicapped people with no future nor past. Listen to what people here are saying, they're not trying to bash you or put you down. They're trying to steer you in the right direction.

[MuscleInk]

Thanks but I'm not as stupid as your making me out to be.. I did weeks and weeks of research on everything I tried. The only thing I really did wrong was not waiting another year or 2 and adding dbol , everything else I did as I read here. I ate properly, trained hard had my ai and pct, had all my sups and everything.

How much anavar would I need? 40mg per day for 4 weeks? I thought with 100 tabs id get to 25 days, would that be worth it? My mates are all doing var by itself and don't know what they're doing.

And for the clen , I've only done one 2 week cycle and it gave me great results, lost 4kg and got stronger as well. I was only planning on doing one more cycle just to cut bf before the test and anavar cycle..

Please don't judge me as a complete idiot. Most of my mates have done several cycles including tren, sus, deca, prop, dbol and clen without any pct or ai and drinking alcohol and not eating right and have still made good gains, they won't listen to me or read this site, so I'd rather ask some questions and at least have more knowledge then not, even if I decide to do this cycle so I can at least help others who are to dumb and impatient to do their own research.

Prove us wrong. Post your nutrition plan with cals and macros. Most people looking to gain, eat 1/2-1/3 of what they need daily to gain weight. If you're not gaining, you're not eating enough. Argue all you want but that's most likely the problem. Gear will never compensate for eating too little.

Turkish Juicer is a mad dog when it comes to eating. If someone with his experience and success tells you you need to eat more, my money is on his knowledge and experience.

Wait until Bear79 shows up. He eats a small village worth of food before noon and has the monstrous size and strength to show for it!

[kelkel]

Junk no one's trying to put you down, just give good guidance to you. You very well may think your eating enough but it's unlikely when you put it on paper. Hit the nutrition forum and have those guys go over your diet. You just don't need a drug for every physical issue, eg: gaining weight, losing weight. Nutrition is everything.

And by the way, some of the advice you've received on this thread is from a licensed physician. Listen up. Forget what your friends are doing and pace yourself.

kel

[lovbyts]

When I in my late teens and early 20s I use to work out 6x a week 2hrs a day and had a great diet. I could not get past 160lbs. 5' 8". Many years later and especially after finding this site I realized my great diet sucked. lol It's one of those things when how you think/know you are right and how much you know but the older you get the more you realize you were wrong and how little you really know.

[Junk bomb]

Thanks guys, starting to make more sense now. I prob should try writing everything down and do my macros, I've just been estimating and eating clean and heavy.
I don't really have much problem putting on weight or gaining muscle and size. But that's why I wanted to cut down my fat with clen and then lean bulk with the test and var to keep a low body fat.

I'm not fat but not skinny either. I dropped all the flabbiness off with one clen cycle and can just see the outline on top 4 abs, would love to just do one more clen cycle and do heaps of cardio and use a cutting diet and then just do a lean bulk in the var..

But this is why I ask these questions. All this feedback is great

[lovbyts]

No worries, it's pretty tough being the new guy. Sometimes we dont cut people enough slack and are quick to assume due to dealing with so many who do have a poor diet, weigh 140 lbs and are 6ft. lol

Because you recovered easily 1x dont think you are immune to being shut down or not needing a PCT. There are people who dont have problems until months later but hopefully that is not the case.

It will still be nice to have all your stats.

Age
Height
Weight
body fat
training experience
AAS experience
goals
basic diet

There is always the chance your gear is bad or under dosed. it's not uncommon but most of the time people who blame the gear it is diet. If you dont eat properly your muscles cant grow even if you are using gear. Those that get big on just gear it's 90% water weight and they loose it as soon as they stop.

[Junk bomb]

Age - 23
Height - 6ft
Weight - 85kg
body fat - approx 14 - 17% but that's a pretty big estimate
training experience - training for 5 years on and off, but last 2.5 years constantly
AAS experience - test e and dbol (prob bunk gear) didn't gain anymore than I would of naturally
goals - get to around 90 - 100kg and have visible abs
basic diet - ATM cutting diet, just clean. Tuna, chicken, turkey, cottage cheese, brown rice and pasta, eggs. No carbs after pm workout.

I will be writing up a bulking diet for when/if I do my test & anavar cycle and post in nutrition sec

[warmouth]

I do believe most of the first cycle had to do with diet. Mine sucked/sucks compared to where it should be. I amgoing to get the experts on here to show me the way! But I dont think you have enough var anyways. For me at least. You do need carbs after a workout though for a few reasons.