First cycle advise

**tarmyg** · 01-22-2013, 04:19 AM

Hi,

Planning my first test cycle this late summer or early fall. I am trying to be as cautious as possible which is why the dosage is so low.

Stats:
40 years old
78Kg
173cm
11% bf
3 years training using a 5 day split cycle
Been on a bulk phase since January 1.

Cycle:
1-10 250mg Test-E/ew + Aromasin 12.5mg/ed + 250ui HCG 2/wk
11-12 Nothing
13-14 100mg/ed Clomid 40mg/ed Nolva
15-16 50mg/ed Clomid 20mg/ed Nolva

Thanks
~T

**Gaspaco** · 01-22-2013, 04:31 AM

Hey man!

250mg a week is low for the shutdown youll get.

Do 400-500mg of test a week 10-12weeks.

Aromasin 12,5mg eod.

HCG since week one until 4 days before starting PCT. 250iu twice a week.

PCT 14 days after last shot!

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2013, 04:52 AM

250 is not to low depending on the goals. You still get some good solid gains and they look/come on more natural like. Not a sudden jump. 250mg week will put your total test levels up around 1500 - 2000

300 might be a good sweat spot to start honestly then if all goes well jump up to 400-500 next time. There is something to be said about growing into your cycles.

**Gaspaco** · 01-22-2013, 04:59 AM

100 mg of test E = 68.901 mg is test

250 mg of test E = 172.2525mg is test

Low to have some good solid gains, even though average male produce 5-7mg of test a day, and it is still a lot over even during shutdown.

**tarmyg** · 01-22-2013, 05:33 AM

Hi,

Thank you for the feedback. Gaspaco, not sure I understand why I should add HCG and do a PCT with both Clomid and Nolva? Could you expand upon this as this is a beginner cycle and based upon what is found here: www steroid com/beginner-steroid-cycles.php (Had to break up the link due having less than 25 posts)

Appreciate the help!
~T

**reiss c** · 01-22-2013, 06:02 AM

Hcg will help maintain testicular function ... Better recovery after cycle. So add it in is good option ...

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2013, 06:11 AM

Originally Posted by reiss c

Hcg will help maintain testicular function ... Better recovery after cycle. So add it in is good option ...

In other words it helps keep your little swimmers swimming and you being fertile

**tarmyg** · 01-22-2013, 06:45 AM

I see. Is the recommended dosage 250ui/eod like the suggestion above? I noticed the HCG cycle recommendation is a bit different!

Thanks!
~T

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2013, 07:05 AM

Yes 250 eod or 2x a week is good.
This will explain more.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...w#.UP6OZkHhxv8

**tarmyg** · 01-22-2013, 07:18 AM

lovbyts,

Ok, know more about HCG than I ever wanted after that read ;-).

Updated my theoretical cycle efter reading Ronnie Rowland's post and advice given in this thread.

Thanks
~T

**lovbyts** · 01-22-2013, 07:37 AM

LOL just wait. Ive been here for a few years and I'm still finding new stuff and being overwhelmed. There is a lot more to this doing it the right way than what people/kids think.

We see a lot of kids pretty much daily who have problems during or after cycle. Ill bet we never hear from 95%+ of them who have a problem and there are a lot who dont realize the problems are associated with their aas use.

It pays to be informed and do things the right way. You dont want to end up on TRT until you really need to be. That being said TRT is probably as confusing if not more then running a cycle.

**tarmyg** · 01-23-2013, 02:07 AM

Hi,

Anyone else recommend doing PCT with both Clomid and Nolva like the recommendation above? I can not find anyone doing that on a first time cycle with such a low amount of test that I am planning on using!

Thanks
~T

**tarmyg** · 04-05-2013, 08:38 AM

Hi,

Just want to make sure there are no other suggestions to this beginner cycle before I order it?

Thanks
~T

**TFf** · 04-05-2013, 08:46 AM

Are you running test E for 8 weeks? I'm surprised no one has recommend to rune E 10-12 weeks, also clomid and nolva seems to be the standard pct, for reasons someone more educated and better with words than my self can explain... But it seems that 250 will shut you down so you will need to be restarted!
Keep us posted with your results!!

**MickeyKnox** · 04-05-2013, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by Gaspaco

Hey man!

250mg a week is low for the shutdown youll get.

Do 400-500mg of test a week 10-12weeks.

Aromasin 12,5mg eod. This is 12.5 EVER DAY because of short half life bro. Just a heads up.

HCG since week one until 4 days before starting PCT. 250iu twice a week.

PCT 14 days after last shot!

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Originally Posted by tarmyg

Hi,

Planning my first test cycle this late summer or early fall. I am trying to be as cautious as possible which is why the dosage is so low.

Stats:
40 years old
78Kg
173cm
11% bf
3 years training using a 5 day split cycle
Been on a bulk phase since January 1.

Cycle:
1-8 250mg Test-E/ew This needs to be run out to 10-12 wks in order for you to take advantage of the long esters. 8wks is too short for Enanthate, imho.
Aromasin 10mg/ed Change this to 12.5mg Every Day.
250ui HCG/eod Change this to twice per wk. 250iu 2/wk is usually plenty to prevent testicular atrophy.
9-10 Nothing
11-12 100mg/ed Clomid 40mg/ed Nolva
13-14 50mg/ed Clomid 20mg/ed Nolva

Updated to a 8 week cycle after reading Ronnie Rowland's post and added 250ui of HCG after recommendations in this thread.

Thanks
~T

Reds..

**MickeyKnox** · 04-05-2013, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by TFf

Are you running test E for 8 weeks? I'm surprised no one has recommend to rune E 10-12 weeks, also clomid and nolva seems to be the standard pct, for reasons someone more educated and better with words than my self can explain... But it seems that 250 will shut you down so you will need to be restarted!
Keep us posted with your results!!

Ha i was busy typing..lol

**tarmyg** · 04-05-2013, 08:52 AM

TFf,

Thanks for your input. Yes, Ronnie Rowland recommends 8 weeks as there are little evidence that it is very effective beyond this. The PCT question was answered in the PCT section and it's clear both should be run.

Thanks
~T

**tarmyg** · 04-05-2013, 08:57 AM

Updated.

Still not clear on the 8 weeks or 10-12 weeks part.

**MickeyKnox** · 04-05-2013, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by tarmyg

TFf,

Thanks for your input. Yes, Ronnie Rowland recommends 8 weeks as there are little evidence that it is very effective beyond this. The PCT question was answered in the PCT section and it's clear both should be run.

Thanks
~T

With all due respect to Ronnie Rowland and anyone else that feels the same way, I flat out I disagree - this cannot apply to everyone. I have made gains with long esters in wk 12 and beyond my cycle, let alone wk 8.

Ronnie has tons of experience, but I would stick to the rule of thumb until YOU are experienced enough to make that determination for yourself. By monitoring his extended use of long esters, Ronnie has determined that 8 wks is fine for himself and perhaps others. But it is difficult at best to say definitively that 8 wks is the cut off for Enanthate . Some guys will not experience gains past 8wks, but many other will.

Once again, this does not apply to everyone.

**tarmyg** · 04-05-2013, 09:07 AM

Thanks MickeyKnow, I'll adjust to 10 weeks as this would seem to be in between and I will just monitor my progression and should it stop around 8 weeks I know that is correct and if I keep gaining past this time I know something else is correct.

Again, Thank you. I am just a bit anal about doing this correctly