Shredding Season

**Milkis4babies** · 01-22-2013, 01:15 PM

Hello, I'm 23 years old 6ft, 215lbs, 17%bf, 34in waist and I workout 5-6x week.

Cycle history: Over the past 4 years I've used dbol , tbol, test 400, test prop, anavar , clen and winstrol .

Goals: I would like to get my bodyfat down as much as possible around 10-13% seems most realistic, maintaining size, weight, and gaining more definition.

I have always been big but it is time to be jacked, I weighed almost 250 around 9 months ago, post leg surgery- yes I got fat as hell, with large arms and no abs. It had to change and I have cut down to 215-still losing weight- with no gear and my body feels incredible. I haven't cycled in a while but I have spent the last 4 months curving my diet from high carb-low carb, upping my weekly cardio regiment (in addition to- I ride the bicycle an average of 65 miles a week- source of most of my weight loss) and preparing my body to go beast mode again so I am super pumped to get this going. My research/experience/friendly advice has pointed me in a few directions:

Im not a huge fan of Winstrol and all of my current recommendations seem to agree, Masteron will maximize my goals and expectations greater than Winstrol. My only concern with Masteron through personal research is that it is most effective when bf% is single digits but I have been told that it will only maximize my lean gains throughout the cycle. Thoughts, opinions?

My research has shown that Tren is an incessant fat burner and with a reasonable dose of test is a great cutting technique and there is no need for all the aggression that comes with added test. I chose Tren Ace because it is fast acting like Prop. I have never used Tren before so please any tips are welcomed!

Tbol to date has been my favorite oral compound to play with, as I said I've been on the larger side of the spectrum for a while, Dbol was effective(Dbol is so much fun). But my strength, lean muscle, and overall results with Tbol were unparalleled with any other oral. For that reason I would be kick-starting this cycle with it, 16 hr half life, it will kick in quick but results wont be too drastic. I know alot of people don't agree with the kickstarting with Tbol so let me know what you think.

The kigtropin I started a few weeks ago in preparation, pretty sure I like it. Pins are painless, and my abs are starting to make a comeback! So getting my hands on more and continuing trhoughout seems like it will be a great addition, and Ive read alot of recommendations.

That being said, here is what I am leaning towards.

Week 1-12: Test prop 300mgs/week
Week 1-10: Tren ace 500mgs/week
Week 1-3: Tbol 50mgs/day
Week 1-12: Kigtropin 2iu's/day
Week 1-12: Masteron 500mgs/week

Week 15-18: Clomid 40mgs/day

I have letro and rimi on hand as needed but have never had gyno issues, been doing alot of reading on hcg and considering the addition as well. My last physical/blood tests were normal, and my schedule provides no conflicting issues with this proposed cycle.

Thanks for reading, and please, any insight is welcomed!

**Allaaro** · 01-22-2013, 06:09 PM

Seems like overkill for first cycle in a long time.

You'd honestly probably be fine with just test prop at 500/week if you want short esters and finish the weight loss goals then add other stuff for an awesome bulk. Since you've ran test before, probably could do tren if you really want but I'd start it lower at 75 EOD. Mast is fine as any bodyfat %, just looks best at lower like most other things.

**gearbox** · 01-22-2013, 06:15 PM

well its always good to get advice before you jump into anything.

1. tren or test or BOTH will not cut you. diet will
2. again diet will cut you. I can injec 1000mg of tren and not lose a pound if diet is not in check
3. your little young for aas and tren will really shut you down bad
4. drop the tbol
5. drop the mast
6. your pct is off by over 2.5 weeks
7. you need to add nolva with clomid for pct for 4 weeks
8. I would run hcg also

**austinite** · 01-22-2013, 06:17 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

well its always good to get advice before you jump into anything.

1. tren or test or BOTH will not cut you. diet will
2. again diet will cut you. I can injec 1000mg of tren and not lose a pound if diet is not in check
3. your little young for aas and tren will really shut you down bad
4. drop the tbol
5. drop the mast
6. your pct is off by over 2.5 weeks
7. you need to add nolva with clomid for pct for 4 weeks
8. I would run hcg also

thanks. Saved me the typing. i agree with the above ^

**songdog** · 01-22-2013, 07:21 PM

You guys are too fast

**Milkis4babies** · 01-22-2013, 07:39 PM

Awesome, appreciate the insight. I understand that diet is everything. I have to lose more weight before anything, devoting all my training time for that but as stated earlier time isn't my enemy, I'm not gonna rush into this. I don't plan on changing my regiment and gearing up until I reach the low 200s or below. If keeping clomid at 1.5 weeks is proper I would do that over the 4 weeks with nolva. I need to do more research about hcg because I keep getting recommendations. But any further advice is always welcome.

Thanks!

**Angel of death** · 01-22-2013, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by gearbox

well its always good to get advice before you jump into anything.

1. tren or test or BOTH will not cut you. diet will
2. again diet will cut you. I can injec 1000mg of tren and not lose a pound if diet is not in check
3. your little young for aas and tren will really shut you down bad
4. drop the tbol
5. drop the mast
6. your pct is off by over 2.5 weeks
7. you need to add nolva with clomid for pct for 4 weeks
8. I would run hcg also

9. your kigs are fake, don't use them