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  1. 01-22-2013, 01:40 PM #1
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    Question Need help to get libido back

    I did test cyp. Cycle 400mg/ week. For 12 weeks 1.5 yrs ago.i also did pct nolvadex 30 mg /day for 3 weeks.
    But still i have not recivered.my balls got smaller.when i keep them open hanging they come to normal size.also libido is decreased.stamina is reduced.
    Please advice me to get my balls abd libido back.
    Do i need to run another pct
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  2. 01-22-2013, 02:15 PM #2
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    How old are you. Sounds like you have shut yourself down go get BW and you will know for sure
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  3. 01-22-2013, 05:23 PM #3
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    You need to get blood work done. Nobody can effectively guess what may be going on without some bloodwork!
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    Get blood work done come back.
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    I'll reiterate. Get panels.
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  6. 01-22-2013, 07:36 PM #6
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    Start with these panels:

    • Total Testosterone
    • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
    • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
    • SHBG
    • DHT (perhaps) *Gel user especially pay attention to this.
    • Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
    • LH
    • FSH
    • Prolactin
    • Cortisol
    • Thyroid Panel
    • CBC
    • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    • Lipid Profile
    • PSA (age dependent)
    • IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
    Vitamin D
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  7. 01-22-2013, 09:48 PM #7
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Start with these panels:

    • Total Testosterone
    • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
    • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
    • SHBG
    • DHT (perhaps) *Gel user especially pay attention to this.
    • Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
    • LH
    • FSH
    • Prolactin
    • Cortisol
    • Thyroid Panel
    • CBC
    • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    • Lipid Profile
    • PSA (age dependent)
    • IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
    Vitamin D


    I am 26 year old. I will do the blood work done in this week.
    5hanks for reply
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Start with these panels:

    • Total Testosterone
    • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
    • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
    • SHBG
    • DHT (perhaps) *Gel user especially pay attention to this.
    • Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
    • LH
    • FSH
    • Prolactin
    • Cortisol
    • Thyroid Panel
    • CBC
    • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    • Lipid Profile
    • PSA (age dependent)
    • IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
    Vitamin D
    Nice kel...worth a copy and paste for sure! Gracious!
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  9. 01-22-2013, 11:41 PM #9
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    Agree totally, BW. But I am curious. What do you mean when you said "when I keep them open and hanging" regarding your balls?
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  10. 01-26-2013, 01:15 AM #10
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    when i dont wear underwear they come back to normal size .in underwear they shrinks
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  11. 01-30-2013, 12:19 AM #11
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    which tests should i do first
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    You can have them all run at once probably less and than a hundred bucks, it's like 1/4 to 1/2 that at my doctor but no matter the cost cheaper than a wrecked sex life and poor health for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Start with these panels:

    • Total Testosterone
    • Bioavailable Testosterone (AKA “Free and Loosely Bound”)
    • Free Testosterone (if Bioavailable T is unavailable)
    • SHBG
    • DHT (perhaps) *Gel user especially pay attention to this.
    • Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
    • LH
    • FSH
    • Prolactin
    • Cortisol
    • Thyroid Panel
    • CBC
    • Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
    • Lipid Profile
    • PSA (age dependent)
    • IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
    Vitamin D


    done following tests


    Test Description Observed Value[/B]

    Free Testosterone, Serum by RIA 45.19 pg/ml

    Testosterone (Total),serum by CMIA 475.00 ng/dL

    DHT-Di hydro testosterone, serum by E.I.A. 1,488.00 pg/ml

    E2 - Estradiol level, serum by CMIA 26.00 pg/ml

    FSH - Follicle Stimulating Hormone, Serum by 3.34 mIU/ml
    CMIA

    LH-Leutinising Hormone (Specific),serum by 4.63 mIU/ml
    CMIA

    Prolactin, serum by CMIA 17.78 ng/ml

    SHBG-Sex Hormone Binding Globulin,serum 32.00 nM/L
    by CMIA

    Biochemistry Lipid profile

    Cholesterol (Total), serum by Enzymatic 190.00 mg/dL
    method

    Biochemistry :

    Glucose, random by GOD-POD method 98 mg/dl

    Erythrocytes :
    Erythrocyte (RBC) Count 4.94 mill/c.mm
    Haemoglobin (Hb) 13.8 gm/dL
    PCV (Packed Cell Volume) 41.2 %
    MCV (Mean Corpuscular Volume) 83.3 fl.
    MCH (Mean Corpuscular Hb) 28.0 pg
    MCHC (Mean Corpuscular Hb Concn.) 33.6 g/dL
    RDW (Red Cell Distribution Width) 13.3 %


    Leucocytes:
    Total Leucocytes (WBC) count 6,800 /c.mm
    Neutrophils 56.0%
    Lymphocytes 32.0 %
    Monocytes 10.0 %
    Eosinophils 2.0%
    Basophils 0.0

    RBC Morphology NORMAL
    Hypochromia -
    Microcytosis -
    Anisocytosis -
    Poikilocytosis -
    Macrocytosis -
    Polychromasia -
    Others -

    Platelets:
    Platelet count 240 X 1000/c.mm
    MPV (Mean Platelet Volume) 8.70 cum
    PCT ( Platelet Haematocrit) 0.21 %
    PDW (Platelet Distribution Width) 16.40 %



    DHT IS TOO HIGH .PLEASE GUIDE ME
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  14. 02-05-2013, 11:05 AM #14
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    Red X: Would be helpful (to me at least) if you posted the reference ranges associated with each item on your test.
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    Uploaded Original Results for reference values

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    I don't think your DHT level is causing your problem. Your prolactin level is on the high side of normal, but I don't think that's necessarily the problem either.

    Are you having stress? Lack of sleep?
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    While your DHT level is high I don't believe that to be the root of your problem. Prolactin on the high side of normal *could* be contributing or the root cause itself, but I can't say for certain based upon the labs presented. What I can say is that a three week PCT of nolva is garbage.

    If I were you I would look in to a PCT restart protocol and go from there. I am not saying go that route for certain, but I would explore it in light of what I would deem a failed PCT.

    While your numbers return no glaring concerns or deficiencies disruption of your HPTA axis is complex in and of itself and as such I advise PCTs run a minimum of six weeks. I may be in the minority here in that regard, and that's fine. An HPTA restart may help to rectify your previous lackluster PCT. Good Luck.
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  18. 02-07-2013, 01:01 PM #18
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    Hey guys i just got my bloodwork and i ordered the complete panel in Privatelabs although i dont see that they included the Prolactin levels.

    Is it referenced under another name?

    And what should be good Prolactin levels?
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    Well,

    TT is lower than expected
    FT is actually excellent
    DHT very high but not that relevent really as long as hairs not falling out in clumps...
    E2 excellent
    FSH bit low but ok
    LH ok
    SHBG great
    Prolactin is your issue as the guys said above. It is linked to low T and low sperm production.

    Cabergoline will help at a low dose, maybe .25 x 2 per week. B6 can also help. Fix it and your libido will be fine and I'd bet your test will rise as well.
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    I don't know the medical facts behind this but I don't see dht being a negative to libido. Ever. I run something like masteron for instance and I become one sick sexual degenerate. Seriously. I have thoughts sometimes that make me question myself.
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    DHT is not negative toward libido. Quite the opposite. It's what makes us men basically and helps libido. The dht range means little to nothing actually. It's how you feel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swm1972 View Post
    I don't know the medical facts behind this but I don't see dht being a negative to libido. Ever. I run something like masteron for instance and I become one sick sexual degenerate. Seriously. I have thoughts sometimes that make me question myself.
    lol, easy tiger!
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  23. 02-08-2013, 08:31 AM #23
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    How much cabergoline and b6 to use for how many weeks?
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    .25mg caber twice per week will crush prolactin. Going from memory B6 is around 300mg. Caber is quick and B6 will obviously take longer and the degree of effectiveness per individual will obviously vary.
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    Hahaha KelKel....

    Hey can find Uranium faster than he can find Cabergoline...

    Ive been looking for Caber for 6 months and know luck...
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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite
    lol, easy tiger!
    I try to be good. But I'd rather try to be great at it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    Well,

    TT is lower than expected
    FT is actually excellent
    DHT very high but not that relevent really as long as hairs not falling out in clumps...
    E2 excellent
    FSH bit low but ok
    LH ok
    SHBG great
    Prolactin is your issue as the guys said above. It is linked to low T and low sperm production.

    Cabergoline will help at a low dose, maybe .25 x 2 per week. B6 can also help. Fix it and your libido will be fine and I'd bet your test will rise as well    .
    Right on as usual, kel.

    Not only will the caber bring down the Prolactin levels libido will get a nice kick as well...I take it and I know it works for sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    .25mg caber twice per week will crush prolactin. Going from memory B6 is around 300mg. Caber is quick and B6 will obviously take longer and the degree of effectiveness per individual will obviously vary.
    thanks for your rep how many weeks need to take caber?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red X View Post
    thanks for your rep how many weeks need to take caber?
    It's long term use.

    Dosages for your purposes are .25 mg every 3 days or twice weekly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MisterD View Post
    Hahaha KelKel....

    Hey can find Uranium faster than he can find Cabergoline...

    Ive been looking for Caber for 6 months and know luck...

    Purchased cabergoline from local pharmacy. Its easily available.looking for b6 tablets
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    2 weeks on caber now .Libido is improving also stamina is increased.
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