First timer starting 1st cycle (19 years)

[Dave2770]

Please delete thread

[lolfb]

Won't get any help here because of age. Not just that, but you're only 167lbs and thinking about running an oral only cycle. If your bulking diet and routine is ready then use that for the next few years and then come back here.

[diabolicsoul]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...g-and-Steroids


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...r-the-young***

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o#.UP9MByd_vQg

Read these and rethink your choice of taking steroids .

And if you said you have your bulk diet in order then use it. You are 167 pounds, you'll grow quickly if you have your diet and training down, no need for aas.

[songdog]

Thats a real bad attitude to have when you are asking about aas.How are you going to address us after your cycle is over and you have GYNO or you cant get a woody? I will bet you will listen real good then wont you!

[Dave2770]

I've also abused plenty of painkillers in my life. Strong ones. My endorphin system returned to perfectly normal after stopping, and after taking opiate antagonists to help the body produce more endorphins and kick start the natural endorphin system again.

However, I will not take celltech for a month. I'll do my workouts without for now. I'll see what it does and will report back.

But I am saying, people take celltech just fine at age 19+. We all know which ones.

But I will hold off. Regardless, in case I don't, I'd rather someone state how than have me take without proper knowledge, just in case

[MuscleInk]

I'm 5'11" ~167lbs ~13% bf 19 years old.

Am starting and have my bulking diet and routine ready.

Never taken celltech b4.

Have

200 10mg Dianabol

30 Nolvadex 20mg

30 Clomiphene 50mg

How do I take? Times? When? After or before meal? Before, during, or/and after workout?

Also? When do I take nolvadex, and when do I take clomi?

I apologize for not reading if the info is available, I just need my own response as to not do something wrong.

Please do not concern me about not taking.

Thank you.

If you're not willing to read and learn and are too lazy, don't waste your time with gear. It's not for the undisciplined user. We promote safe responsible use and education. If that doesn't fit your needs, you won't find much help here.

[sc2only]

Your going to take regardless. But to prove bad effects read those links posted above.

30 mg dbol daily. Taken 1 pill 3 times a day. Day after last pill nolva/chlomid till all ur stuff gone.


Take blood work before and after and ull see that your levels worse than before and if u keep abusing youll **** it up permanently. Theres chance ull mess it up doing that as well No kids. Erectile disfunction. Tits. Acne. Ull lose ur gains and get fat.

[Dave2770]

My bad I had to leave for a moment. Just allow me to change, take a shower and ill be back. I'd really prefer if I just got my answer down anyway. In case I do start taking, it's best I was informed how.

[Dave2770]

I am reading all of those atm, but everyone's different. Please clarify.

I have 10mg dbol .

So 30mgs 3 times daily and nolva daily at what time? I'm a little confused

And if nolva is an estrogen antagonist, this will make for some crazy boost in testosterone with the dbol?

[kronik420]

add all your pills into a bowl of skittles:

then it will be like a lucky dip, you could get a dbol or you could get a red skittle

[Dave2770]

Ok. I've decided to do a whole month of regular (albeit intense) workout without aas.

1 month isn't much, but it should be enough to completely get my diet/routine engrained in my brain.

Then I will start taking

30mg dbol 3 times a day.

Will have to up the dosage as to run out of entire 200 pills.

Then nolva/clomid once a day pct correct?

Ps: like I said earlier. I was a major abuser of opiates. Opiate abuse literally destroys the endorphin system with an almost impossible chance of returning to normal.

Yet here I am, with a perfectly normal endorphin system. Just goes to show, I stopped opiates, then took opiate antagonists. This further blocked my own endorphins attaching to my opiate receptors, and forced the body to create more receptors and endorphins. I've been off the antagonist for months and am doing fine, still healthy.

But I'm not here to convince anyone. Later

[kronik420]

Ok. I've decided to do a whole month of regular (albeit intense) workout without aas.

1 month isn't much, but it should be enough to completely get my diet/routine engrained in my brain.

Then I will start taking

30mg dbol 3 times a day.

Will have to up the dosage as to run out of entire 200 pills.

Then nolva/clomid once a day pct correct?

no

i like the skittles idea better..

[army_cobra]

so wait are you 19 or 21? Either way you are to young way to young. Do you research on here before you harm your body. You have a long way to grow Natural before you need aas. Take the advice from the senior members on here don't be a fool or you will most likely never get any help doing something dumb

[lolfb]

Ok. I've decided to do a whole month of regular (albeit intense) workout without aas.

1 month isn't much, but it should be enough to completely get my diet/routine engrained in my brain.

Then I will start taking

30mg dbol 3 times a day.

Will have to up the dosage as to run out of entire 200 pills.

Then nolva/clomid once a day pct correct?

Ps: like I said earlier. I was a major abuser of opiates. Opiate abuse literally destroys the endorphin system with an almost impossible chance of returning to normal.

Yet here I am, with a perfectly normal endorphin system. Just goes to show, I stopped opiates, then took opiate antagonists. This further blocked my own endorphins attaching to my opiate receptors, and forced the body to create more receptors and endorphins. I've been off the antagonist for months and am doing fine, still healthy.

But I'm not here to convince anyone. Later

so you have an addictive personality and want to try a drug that can also be addicting in its own way? Not to mention that you're running an oral only cycle. No test in your system can cause depression and if you had problems with endorphins, you probably won't handle a little bit of depression that well.

[Dave2770]

I only ask for a schedule of when, how, how many times/day, and with/without what I should take my dbol .

[Scottyb13]

At 19 there's no reason to even be considering AAS.. Your body produces enough sh** naturally... I'm sure "most " people will agree with me when I tell you that you need to wait til ATLEAST 26... Train at the gym., get your diet in perfect check, good foods verse bad, cal counted daily, macros in check, tdee knowledge, knowing what AAS is and how it works and the pros and cons, having sh** on hand for side effects, knowledge of how oral only kills your liver/kidney and is the worst idea ever!! Know how protein works and carbs with the body, knowledge of training muscles and getting closer to 200lbs, training until your 26 shouldn't be that hard to accomplish.. I could go on here dood with lists and lists... But I'll be the one to say that when you take the dbol only at 19 or 20 and you get bitch ti*s and can't have sex and are fat cause you didn't listen to experienced people , I'll be here to say " I told you so ." Not trying to be an a** just looking out for safety. Rest my case

[MuscleInk]

I only ask for a schedule of when, how, how many times/day, and with/without what I should take my dbol.

This isn't day care. We don't spoon feed or suckle our young. Take some responsibility and listen to what you're being told. If that's not acceptable, apply your brain slightly and read.

[RoadToHuge]

So.... You already have admitted to having an addictive personality... And now you want to do AAS...

You say that you are going to train hard for a month without AAS... You should have been training hard for YEARS before ever touching AAS.

You have picked IMO one of the worst oral only AAS cycles. You will bloat.. You will get shut down.. Will will lose all of what you thought were "GAINS BRAH GAINS!" once you lose the water weight.

You will also... Get super depressed for 2-3 months straight once you stop. take the chance that you **** something up with your growth or future lack of growth. You could fry your endocrine system to the point were you are on TRT for the rest of your life. Not be able to get hard... Not be able to orgasm.. (Did you get those last two...?)

No thanks Jeff...

Do I need to go on? You need about 6 years of hard training. Then you will have our welcome and we will b able to make you a beast. But if you want to **** up that future, to play around with stuff you know little about.. Whatever, we cannot stop you anyway.

But look what everyone is saying..

No cell tech under 25. Especially 19, common bro..

[redz]

Don't use steroids now you are not ready at all.

[>Good Luck<]

If you take 30mg 3 times a day, your gonna suffer some serious immediate toxic effects. I feel sorry for you guy, All I can say to someone like you is

>good luck<

[Dave2770]

Ok. Ive read plenty. All I've learned now is that dbol isn't that great?

How about

Tren
Test p
Clen
Nolva
Clomid??

[>Good Luck<]

Ok. Ive read plenty. All I've learned now is that dbol isn't that great?

How about

Tren
Test p
Clen
Nolva
Clomid??

You are retarded. I request this monkey get banned because some people just can't learn...

[Dave2770]

Yes yes thank you for the warnings. Didn't I mention I do not want to hear not to take? Seriously wtf? I never learn unless I learn myself from discovery. I also don't care if I die physically. My body and life are my own.

Plenty of 19+ year olds have taken celltech just fine.

I read all those threads and threads about no sex drive and bs. I don't care atm.

I don't want to be a doichebag, but holy fu*k, lay off the judgmental and know it all attitude for ****s sake, and help me get started on tech fuu*k

[thephil]

Im just here for the lols

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[Papa-pwn]

Take 30-50 mg of the Dbol a day, split up into 3-5 doses or all at once pre workout, for 4-6 weeks. Use the Nolva and Clomid for PCT.

I would suggest you add some injectable test to your cycle, but it isn't absolutely necessary, just suggested.

Be sure you use the nolva and clomid and take PCT seriously or you will end up losing all your gains, and possibly then some.

Mind you, at the age you are, by using AAS, you're kind of accepting it as a lifetime thing. I'm not much older than you and made that choice a little before you did. If you compete in BB like I do, you know you kind of have to start by your early 20s to have any chance of going pro before 30

[RoadToHuge]

Yes yes thank you for the warnings. Didn't I mention I do not want to hear not to take? Seriously wtf? I never learn unless I learn myself from discovery. I also don't care if I die physically. My body and life are my own.

Plenty of 19+ year olds have taken celltech just fine.

I read all those threads and threads about no sex drive and bs. I don't care atm.

I don't want to be a doichebag, but holy fu*k, lay off the judgmental and know it all attitude for ****s sake, and help me get started on tech fuu*k

[Dave2770]

Some responses I like, some are retarded like this retarded gif above. Ok, I'm coming off as an utter/pure douchebag. Let me learn my own mistakes. To papa-pwn, thank you for your honesty.

I will work out my hardest till next month then cycle.

Ps, no I don't have tren and clen but I wish.

Some may fkn call me crazy, but I'd take dnp too. That's just me though. I KNOW the risks, but I believe the risks outweigh the gains.

And my body fat is more 10% but I added that extra 3% for the most careful answers

[Scottyb13]

Damn at 10% you should be close to doing competitions right? Just go do a dbol already and get bloated! I'm not sure why your trying to argue with experienced people..? Log off, go take a dbol and cycle already

[warmouth]

OP, it seems you are starting off with the wrong/bad attitude. While we are here to help assist with the best possible choice for any new comer, sometimes the best advice is not the advice you want to hear. Ask me about Cape. It is not a scare tactic by telling you not to use Dbol only, and that has nothing to do with age. It is flat out stupid. You are running the risk of getting bigger, but not being able or even wanting to get a "release"(women readers in mind, trying to show class). When you supress yourself with nothing to replace your natural levels, side effects are all but assured. You will bloat, you will have high blood pressure(Do I need to list the risks associated with this?), elevated lipids, high body temp, high estrogen, possible gyno, thickened blood, irregular heartbeats, aweful liver function, and the list goes on. It looks like the advice you need has been laid out by knowledgeable people, so it is up to you to show maturity for your age and make YOUR decision. Just read the stickies and then decide what to do. Comeback and post a real cycle with everything needed. Most will tell you your are too young, but someone who doesnt care about you or your future may very well give you the "go ahead". Please reconsider this mess.

[iSwanson]

Most of your rationales are not making sense. At the very least if you are dead set on do this, then do more research. Read as many sticky's as you can on here in the following sections (ANABOLIC STEROID QUESTIONS, PCT, NUTRITION, LIFTING TECHNIQUES, possibly some others). Listen to what these guys are saying. I'm 23 and THINKING about running a cycle, but still feel like I should wait, and if I did do a cycle I'm taking every precaution (Test only, AI, HCG , correct PCT). If your new to lifting meaning <2 years you could make some pretty amazing gains by just getting proper nutrition and training properly with intensity. Don't be impulsive, atleast without knowing exactly what you can get yourself into. If you **** up your body now, the ONLY way you'll be able to make gains later in life is by running a cycle, but you would probably lose those gains after cycling anyway. I'm not trying to preach or even stop you, because I can't. But at least fill your brain with knowledge before you fill your body with chemicals.

Also most experience members on hear won't mess with DNP . That shit is no joke.

[Scottyb13]

One question...... Do you know what dbol is? And how it works? What it's used for?? I'm not being a di** I'm honestly asking you.

[t-dogg]

I'm 5'11" ~167lbs ~13% bf 19 years old.

Am starting and have my bulking diet and routine ready.

Never taken celltech b4.

Have

200 10mg Dianabol

30 Nolvadex 20mg

30 Clomiphene 50mg

How do I take? Times? When? After or before meal? Before, during, or/and after workout?

Also? When do I take nolvadex, and when do I take clomi?

I apologize for not reading if the info is available, I just need my own response as to not do something wrong.

Please do not concern me about not taking.

Thank you.

Good luck.

Your diet the main key to growing and using gear. At your weight/height you dont have it anywhere close to right.

Next your young and should have no issues making BIG GAINS right now. Again which tells me/us your diet, training or lack if commitment is there. At your age your doing more harm then good.

Next anavar only is dumb. No test to keep you performing like normal.

Finally ill end with this note. If you decide to this, it will hurt you more in the long run and im betting you will lose whatever you gain if anything.

I havnt read what other vets have said, but im guessing its much what i wrote here.

[MuscleInk]

Yes yes thank you for the warnings. Didn't I mention I do not want to hear not to take? Seriously wtf? I never learn unless I learn myself from discovery. I also don't care if I die physically. My body and life are my own.

Plenty of 19+ year olds have taken celltech just fine.

I read all those threads and threads about no sex drive and bs. I don't care atm.

I don't want to be a doichebag, but holy fu*k, lay off the judgmental and know it all attitude for ****s sake, and help me get started on tech fuu*k

No problem with that mouth and attitude your time on this board is coming to an end.

[redz]

If you know the risks of dnp out weigh the gains why would you want to use it?

[iSwanson]

Good luck.

Your diet the main key to growing and using gear. At your weight/height you dont have it anywhere close to right.

Next your young and should have no issues making BIG GAINS right now. Again which tells me/us your diet, training or lack if commitment is there. At your age your doing more harm then good.

Next anavar only is dumb. No test to keep you performing like normal.

Finally ill end with this note. If you decide to this, it will hurt you more in the long run and im betting you will lose whatever you gain if anything.

I havnt read what other vets have said, but im guessing its much what i wrote here.

LOL it was pretty much spot on.

[iSwanson]

If you know the risks of dnp out weigh the gains why would you want to use it?

LOL I just assumed it was a typo and left it alone.

[MuscleInk]

OP, it seems you are starting off with the wrong/bad attitude. While we are here to help assist with the best possible choice for any new comer, sometimes the best advice is not the advice you want to hear. Ask me about Cape. It is not a scare tactic by telling you not to use Dbol only, and that has nothing to do with age. It is flat out stupid. You are running the risk of getting bigger, but not being able or even wanting to get a "release"(women readers in mind, trying to show class). When you supress yourself with nothing to replace your natural levels, side effects are all but assured. You will bloat, you will have high blood pressure(Do I need to list the risks associated with this?), elevated lipids, high body temp, high estrogen, possible gyno, thickened blood, irregular heartbeats, aweful liver function, and the list goes on. It looks like the advice you need has been laid out by knowledgeable people, so it is up to you to show maturity for your age and make YOUR decision. Just read the stickies and then decide what to do. Comeback and post a real cycle with everything needed. Most will tell you your are too young, but someone who doesnt care about you or your future may very well give you the "go ahead". Please reconsider this mess.

No worries. His time here is done.

[lolfb]

Why the **** would you take dnp at 10% bf. Better yet, why would you take dnp at 168lbs? you seriously have no idea about the effects of these compounds.

Start dbol at 20mg along with test prop at at 100mg eod. Change the dosage depending on side effects. Don't run dbol lower then 20mg, max 30-40mg. Don't think you'll need more than 20mg though, taking into account your training history and weight. Get either arimidex or aromasin . adex dosage - .5mg eod. aromasin dosage - 1.25mg eod (bump up to 1.25mg ed if bloating/onset of gyno). PCT - Clomid/nolva.

running dbol alone is extremely stupid for you. This is mainly because of your opiate use in the past. Not running an injectable along with dbol will cause you to feel depressed. I don't care how well you recovered from the opiate use, but you will feel a lot worse then the average person taking dbol only cycle.

[Wes201]

If you take 30mg 3 times a day, your gonna suffer some serious immediate toxic effects. I feel sorry for you guy, All I can say to someone like you is

>good luck<

I was waiting for someone else to catch that and comment. Dude 90mg a day of dbol!!!!! ARE YOU INSANE!! Brother i'm not saying this to be d***. But you really have no idea what your doing. And your not even running any test. If you wont listen to the advise about waiting several more years, then please at least take the time to educate yourself significantly more about these compounds, their effects on your body (and im not talking about muscle building), and proper dosing protocals and legnths of time for running them. Your going to kill yourself kid

[Dave2770]

If you know the risks of dnp out weigh the gains why would you want to use it?

Whoops, meant the other way around.

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Due to insane amount of replies telling me not to cycle YET, I will indeed listen.

I will try hopefully not to take it for many months (I do have this thrill for trying it out new things, but I wont).

Ill only begin using when I know and feel Im ready, when my body and mind agree that its time to use it to really push extra and get even bigger.

At this moment, I agree I can gain much weight and mass just by strong diet and routine alone.

Also, I came to the conclusion that dbol by itself wont do anything tbh.

I also have a lack of knowledge of the different types and kinds of celltechs.

I will read and look into all of the main and useful ones more throughout the months.

Finally, I do not have tren and test p, though I will aquire them for later.

Now that I have finally admitted I wont be taking them because they arent necessary, can someone kindly tell me, lets say I hit 185lbs and look pretty aesthetic, which celltechs to use? I truly feel like tren and test p injectables are the best, and apparently, it seems like taking 1 celltech alone especially dbol by itself wont really do anything correct?

Edit: Just saw a few online. Is it a good idea to inject Tren A and Test P and take Dbol? Nolva after PCT or both during and after cycle? Nolva after workouts? Please help me absorb information for the future.