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    First Cycle Lookover/Advice

    Age: 26 in a few months
    Height: 6"2-6"3
    Weight: 100kgs
    BF%: <14%
    Cycle Exp: None
    PCT Knowledge: Little bit
    Training Exp: 5 Years
    Diet: Dont know what i will be doing yet, either cutting or bulking.


    Cycle:
    Weeks 1-12....test enanthate ...500mg/week....250mg mon/thurs
    Weeks 1-12 HCG 250ui mon/thurs
    weeks 1-12 prami 0.25mg(Just before bed time)
    weeks 1-12 adex 0.25mg every second day


    14 Days after last injection
    PCT:
    clomid 50/50/25/25
    aromasin 50/25/25/25

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFP View Post
    Age: 26 in a few months
    Height: 6"2-6"3
    Weight: 100kgs
    BF%: <14%
    Cycle Exp: None
    PCT Knowledge: Little bit
    Training Exp: 5 Years
    Diet: Dont know what i will be doing yet, either cutting or bulking.


    Cycle:
    Weeks 1-12....test enanthate ...500mg/week....250mg mon/thurs
    Weeks 1-12 HCG 250ui mon/thurs
    weeks 1-12 prami 0.25mg(Just before bed time)
    weeks 1-12 adex 0.25mg every second day


    14 Days after last injection
    PCT:
    clomid 50/50/25/25
    aromasin 50/25/25/25
    take out the prami and aromasin , run the HCG and adex up until a few days before PCT

    add nolva to PCT,
    clomid 100/50/50/50
    nolva 40/20/20/20

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    You're greater than 14% or did I read that wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kronik420 View Post
    take out the prami and aromasin , run the HCG and adex up until a few days before PCT

    add nolva to PCT,
    clomid 100/50/50/50
    nolva 40/20/20/20
    Why do you suggest to take out the prami and aomasin? Any advice is great. Thanks mate

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    You're greater than 14% or did I read that wrong?
    I dont know exactly, but no more than 14%

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFP View Post
    Why do you suggest to take out the prami and aomasin? Any advice is great. Thanks mate



    I dont know exactly, but no more than 14%
    prami isn't needed in this cycle, neither is aromasin in PCT

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFP
    I dont know exactly, but no more than 14%
    I'd try to get down to at least 10% so you can bulk comfortably. Starting a bulk at 14% is a bad idea and cutting on your first cycle would be a waste. Kronik has pct handled. You don't need prami with just test and you don't need aromasin during pct. Kroniks pct plan look good to go.

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    I thought by running an anti estrogen though the cycle would help combat water retention?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFP View Post
    I thought by running an anti estrogen though the cycle would help combat water retention?
    You have Adex in therefor that.

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    Technically you can use aromasin instead of adex for an AI. It is a whole lot better on lipids, but adex is the norm.

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    Prami controls prolactin. If you have your estrogen in check and don't naturally have an issue with prolactin, there's no need for it.

    I personally like the side effects of prami though. I've never slept as well as I sleep on prami.

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    10% body fat to bulk is pretty low. You can bulk at 15%

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    Looks pretty good, but I agree, the leaner you are the better they will work

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    Quote Originally Posted by wesh View Post
    10% body fat to bulk is pretty low. You can bulk at 15%
    You CAN bulk whenever you want. Hell, you could bulk at 20% if you wanted. Bulking at 15% you will probably end up at 18-20% and look like a blob.

    What's the point in cycling if you can't see the results? Unless of course you are a powerlifter actually competing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFP
    I thought by running an anti estrogen though the cycle would help combat water retention?
    Anastrozole (arimidex ) and exemestane (aromasin ) are BOTH aromatase inhibitors - read a bit more please so you understand the drugs you're talking.

    Warmouth is correct, aromasin is more lipid friendly but takes slightly longer to build up in your system. Arimidex works much faster, has a longer half life, but is lipid unfriendly. Hopefully you can appreciate why this would be an important factor.

    There is no reason to run prami in this cycle. Not sure why you feel it would be needed.

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    I dont mean u cant. Obviously u can bulk when you want. Im saying you dont have to be that low 10%.

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    In that pic im 18% and bulking with a clean bulk diet. Dont look like a blob

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleInk View Post
    Anastrozole (arimidex ) and exemestane (aromasin ) are BOTH aromatase inhibitors - read a bit more please so you understand the drugs you're talking.

    Warmouth is correct, aromasin is more lipid friendly but takes slightly longer to build up in your system. Arimidex works much faster, has a longer half life, but is lipid unfriendly. Hopefully you can appreciate why this would be an important factor.

    There is no reason to run prami in this cycle. Not sure why you feel it would be needed.
    MI, I've been pondering this question for awhile and since the answer to it may also be of benefit to the OP, I won't feel as if I'm hijacking by going ahead and asking here....

    Given that aromasin does take time to reach optimal serum levels, would it be a legitimate strategy to begin running aromasin at 12.5 mg EOD for 1-2 weeks prior to starting a cycle so as to give a "buffer zone" just before introducing Test? Almost everyone here who has used aromasin and posted their experiences almost invariably states that they have to eventually ratchet up the dose to 12.5mg ED to rein in E2. So I was just curious as to what your thoughts would be on the validity/effectiveness of a front load of aromasin immediately before kicking off a cycle. Thanks bro!

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    Have been reading more about my PCT

    I read that aromasin lower estrogen whilst also raising test levels, so why would that be bad to run? :\

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