Tren Ace and Ai

[< <Samson> >]

Thought I'd ask since I see so much mixed shit on here. I have been running stane as my ai the whole time on cycle(12.5mg EOD). But, Tren seems to require a bit of a different Ai.

I have seen the threads on caber and prami. It seems to be broken in half, where people say don't run it until you need it.


I will be starting my 60 day tren ace run in a little bit over a month. Low doses, 75-100mg EOD< also can't decide. Is 75mg good or is 100mgh better? I learned for myself that more test did nothing for me whatsoever.


Either way I want to be ready just in case. I was going to carry on with stane as my ai, but from what I understand it does not help the possible prolactin issues.

Thank you yall!

[Tron3219]

In most cases if u keep e2 in check tren won't cause progesterone related gyno, however it's a wise choice to keep caber or prami on hand, just in case.

[Lunk1]

Your AI (stane) will control E2..if E2 is effectivly controled then so is your prolactin. Caber od Pramiis kep on hand in case prolactin is NOT controlled!

50-75mg EOD is plenty to try your first run. Very effective with generally less sides!

Tren does NOT require a diff. AI. Adex is often suggested with a short ester tren cycle since it is fster acting than Stane!

[< <Samson> >]

Adex is often suggested with a short ester tren cycle since it is fster acting than Stane!

Ok cool, specially since I have some on hand.

[warmouth]

One thing I will add......Lunk, and the rest of those tren-heads have me wanting to get caber asap! I have some on order, but it has been a biotch to get in touch with the company for payment. But I really want it for th "sides" if you know what I mean!

[DOSA]

i always run caber or my AI before problems start.
i never understood why people wait for gyno to begin....im scared of it.. and really have never see it affect my gains.

plus caber is just a great thing anyway.

[Lunk1]

PPL need to get off of this gyno thing when speaking in terms of using an AI! Gyno is one of the least of your worries if your E2 is not regulated properly!

[DOSA]

everyone different. i explained its my reason...
but i know what your saying. we all worry about different things. and boobs on this old mans frame dont work...
i have friends that had gyno......that scares me to death.

[warmouth]

PPL need to get off of this gyno thing when speaking in terms of using an AI! Gyno is one of the least of your worries if your E2 is not regulated properly!

Bumping this so that people can read this quote.

[< <Samson> >]

Cool cool, good info here.

[Bjwr]

What if ur runnin
Test e 100mg week 1-12 (TRT dose)
Tren e 400mg week 1-10

Then do u run prami or stane?
Cause I've heard people don't run AI on TRT dose at 100mg/week.

[Lunk1]

What if ur runnin
Test e 100mg week 1-12 (TRT dose)
Tren e 400mg week 1-10

Then do u run prami or stane?
Cause I've heard people don't run AI on TRT dose at 100mg/week.

Normally it's best to start yourown thread but...yes. On a test dose that low you have the option of keeping the AI on hand but then you def. need to run Prami/Caber! It's also VERY important that one is familiar enough with thier body and can determine if you are experiencing sides related to E2 so that you can act accordingly!

[< <Samson> >]

It's also VERY important that one is familiar enough with thier body and can determine if you are experiencing sides related to E2 so that you can act accordingly!

What other E2 sides should I look for?

[Bjwr]

Normally it's best to start yourown thread but...yes. On a test dose that low you have the option of keeping the AI on hand but then you def. need to run Prami/Caber! It's also VERY important that one is familiar enough with thier body and can determine if you are experiencing sides related to E2 so that you can act accordingly!

Sorry didnt mean to try and jump thread, just thought it could help people who r running that.

[kaptainkeezy04]

i completely disagree with these guys that claim that as long as estrogen is controlled, you don't need caber or prami. my father used pharmacy grade arimidex (astrazeneca) 1mg every day, and still got bad gyno his last cycle, because he didn't use caber.

[OnTheSauce]

i completely disagree with these guys that claim that as long as estrogen is controlled, you don't need caber or prami. my father used pharmacy grade arimidex (astrazeneca) 1mg every day, and still got bad gyno his last cycle, because he didn't use caber.

I use caber e3d regardless of ai. Why risk it? Plus caber is awesome anyway

[kaptainkeezy04]

I use caber e3d regardless of ai. Why risk it? Plus caber is awesome anyway

i always wake up the next day with the hugest erections i've ever had. i'll take it after my cycle stops

[< <Samson> >]

Is there any down side to using caber right off hand? I don't know much about it at all.

[kaptainkeezy04]

there are the little side effects like blurred vision, diziness, nausea, which is why you take it right before bed. other side effects are increased sex drive just google search "dostinex" and look up the side effects.

[< <Samson> >]

But, how likely are they to hit you?

I know Clomid is similar in sides, but I got nothing negative from it.

[kaptainkeezy04]

But, how likely are they to hit you?

I know Clomid is similar in sides, but I got nothing negative from it.

i wake up sometimes with nausea, but nothing bad at all. it's kind of the same feeling when you've eaten a huge meal, and you're just like "oh fvck i ate too much." that kinda nausea. not the "i drank too much i'm gonna puke" kinda nausea.

[Lunk1]

i completely disagree with these guys that claim that as long as estrogen is controlled, you don't need caber or prami. my father used pharmacy grade arimidex (astrazeneca) 1mg every day, and still got bad gyno his last cycle, because he didn't use caber.

Do you know the cause of the gyno? Are you sure it was PRL related gyno? Was bloodwork done to determine if his PRL or E2 levels were high. Do you know what causes prolactin?

Keeping E2 under control will in nearly every case eliminate any chance of PRL issues. There are a small % of ppl who are PRL sensitive. No matter the cause that is why Caber or Prami is ALWAYS said to be kept on hand when using a 19nor. PRL related gyno is easily reversed once it shows up by beggining Caber/Prami!

[Lunk1]

What other E2 sides should I look for?

For me the easiest to notice is high BP. ED and your over all mood is also an indicator that E2 levels are off!

[kaptainkeezy04]

Do you know the cause of the gyno? Are you sure it was PRL related gyno? Was bloodwork done to determine if his PRL or E2 levels were high. Do you know what causes prolactin?

Keeping E2 under control will in nearly every case eliminate any chance of PRL issues. There are a small % of ppl who are PRL sensitive. No matter the cause that is why Caber or Prami is ALWAYS said to be kept on hand when using a 19nor. PRL related gyno is easily reversed once it shows up by beggining Caber/Prami!

when you're running pharm grade arimidex actually from a pharmacy, and running it at a maximum dosage of 1mg a day, it's safe to say that the gyno he was getting wasn't estrogen related.

[Lunk1]

when you're running pharm grade arimidex actually from a pharmacy, and running it at a maximum dosage of 1mg a day, it's safe to say that the gyno he was getting wasn't estrogen related.

Safe to say yes...did the Caber help?

[kaptainkeezy04]

Safe to say yes...did the Caber help?

he never got on it, because he was uneducated about it. i'm going to make sure he will be using it for his next cycle that involves tren

[< <Samson> >]

What is the Prami dosage that is typically taken with Tren Ace?


I want to know how much to have on hand.


Been reading enough shit to know I should have this shit on hand.

[BlueWaffle21]

OOOOHHHHHHH SSSSHHH***TTTT!!!!!! He is making the Tren jump!!! Good luck buddy!!

[< <Samson> >]

OOOOHHHHHHH SSSSHHH***TTTT!!!!!! He is making the Tren jump!!! Good luck buddy!!

In a little under a month. We'll see how it goes. . . . Still a low dosage. The more is better shit doesn't seem to apply to semi newbs and juice.

[< <Samson> >]

Ummm, anyone - - - - I know we love BSN and all. But, I need to put in a order to have this shit on hand.

[Atomini]

Trenbolone does not require a 'different' AI.

Trenbolone itself does not require any AIs at all, as it does not interact with the aromatase enzyme what-so-ever and will not convert into Estrogen at any dose used.

Trenbolone must always be run with Testosterone, and depending on your Testosterone dose, you may need an AI to control aromatization of Testosterone into Estrogen, which can and will exacerbate the side effects of Trenbolone.

Some choose to run Testosterone at TRT doses at approximately 100mg weekly (like me) in order to maintain normal Estrogen levels without the use of an AI. Some choose to run an AI to reduce aromatization of Testosterone when Testosterone is being run at bodybuilding doses (250mg weekly or more).

Cabergoline, Pramipexole, and Bromocriptine are dopaminergic Prolactin antagonists for combating the potential rise in Prolactin from Trenbolone. Some will experience Prolactin increases from Trenbolone, while others do not. The precise mechanism of action as to how and why Trenbolone increases Prolactin levels in some individuals versus others is unknown. Unfortunately there will be no clinical studies in the near future in order to determine this exact mechanism, seeing as though Trenbolone is not FDA approved for human use under any conditions. No studies are ever likely to be done (at least in the near future) concerning this subject.

There is your explanation quickly and efficiently in a nutshell.

[< <Samson> >]

Well, said. . .


But, how much Prami should I have on hand for this? The whole just in case I start milking like a fvcking cow.

[Atomini]

You don't need to stock up on massive amounts, but I would say a bottle from AR-R should suffice if all you're doing is just keeping it on-hand. If lactation or negative libido and anorgasmia become an issue due to rising Prolactin, just start taking Prami and if it keeps up you can easily order more while your on-hand amounts should last you long enough to carry you through. Besides, once Prolactin is initially reduced, you can probably reduce dosing frequency to keep it lowered. Full-blast doses are not always necessary once the desired result/goal is achieved.

[< <Samson> >]

I'll stick to pharma grade. . . . .