Predisposition to gyno.

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 02:54 PM

Hello everyone. I'm trying to workout a first cycle for one of my training partners. What I suggested he do is 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg a week and 4 weeks of Dianabol at 30mg a day.

The issue is that he has a predisposition to gyno. Its not bad gyno but nevertheless a predisposition. I never experienced bad gyro and therefore cannot advise him on that part.

If gyno starts to develop how much Nolvadex should he take? If it does not go down the text day should he up the dose or wait a couple more days? What if the gyno really blows out? What should he do then?

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-24-2013, 03:02 PM

He should take an ai on his cycle like exemestane as well as have nolva on hand. If something starts o appear id up the exemestane dose and start nolva at 20mg/day.

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 03:18 PM

I suggested he take Arimidex at .25mg EOD.

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

He should take an ai on his cycle like exemestane as well as have nolva on hand. If something starts o appear id up the exemestane dose and start nolva at 20mg/day.

Would you advise aromasin or adex?

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-24-2013, 03:28 PM

I do not know of anyone that would have estrogen levels in the acceptable range while taking 500mgs test/week. Thats not even mentioning the 30mg dbol on top of it. It run it low dose from the start/ Also the liquid is easier for dosage adjustments when it comes to ai's. Arr has liquid stane.

**clarky.** · 01-24-2013, 03:30 PM

AI should always be used on cycle no mater if its his 1st or 100th cycle.

**swm1972** · 01-24-2013, 03:31 PM

Has he tried getting as lean as he possibly can and still see if he feels susceptible to gyno? I'm not talking 5% or anything. But there is a significant difference between the estrogen conversion you see when in the upper teen range of body fat compared to the lower teen ranges. I try to stay in the 12% arena year round. I seldom feel like I need an AI, but still take one every third day because my doctor prescribed them with my test cyp. He wants me to take them everyday. That's just crazy IMO. I'd take half eod if they weren't too small to split.

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 03:37 PM

Sounds good. I will get him adex and some letrozole .

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by swm1972

Has he tried getting as lean as he possibly can and still see if he feels susceptible to gyno? I'm not talking 5% or anything. But there is a significant difference between the estrogen conversion you see when in the upper teen range of body fat compared to the lower teen ranges. I try to stay in the 12% arena year round. I seldom feel like I need an AI, but still take one every third day because my doctor prescribed them with my test cyp. He wants me to take them everyday. That's just crazy IMO. I'd take half eod if they weren't too small to split.

He tells me that his gyno (at around 5%) is visible if the temperature is really high.

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

I do not know of anyone that would have estrogen levels in the acceptable range while taking 500mgs test/week. Thats not even mentioning the 30mg dbol on top of it. It run it low dose from the start/ Also the liquid is easier for dosage adjustments when it comes to ai's. Arr has liquid stane.

What dose would you recommend for exemestane and how long should he run it for?

**jimmyinkedup** · 01-24-2013, 05:11 PM

12.5mg eod - adjust up or down as needed

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by jimmyinkedup

12.5mg eod - adjust up or down as needed

How about the Nolvadex ? And do you have any other recommendations for the cycle ? Thanks.

**Ashop** · 01-24-2013, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Iron-56

Hello everyone. I'm trying to workout a first cycle for one of my training partners. What I suggested he do is 12 weeks of Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg a week and 4 weeks of Dianabol at 30mg a day.

The issue is that he has a predisposition to gyno. Its not bad gyno but nevertheless a predisposition. I never experienced bad gyro and therefore cannot advise him on that part.

If gyno starts to develop how much Nolvadex should he take? If it does not go down the text day should he up the dose or wait a couple more days? What if the gyno really blows out? What should he do then?

If he is prone to gyno he should definitely use an AI to prevent any estrogen issues.

**kelkel** · 01-24-2013, 07:28 PM

Do what Jimmy said. The bro science your listening to is going to get someone hurt. You don't wait for the problem and then try to fix it, you prevent it from occurring in the first place. Gyno is not the only side effect from high estrogen, it's just the visible one that everyone seems most transfixed with. Nolva is a SERM, not an AI and should be used in PCT. Your friends need to spend more time learning before they embark on this journey, otherwise they're bound to have many regrets....

And Dbol is not at all needed for a first cycle....just test...

Edit to say that your "friend" should have full BW done prior to this as well. That way he will have good baselines to shoot for when the cycle is over and he tries to return to normal.

**Schwarzenegger** · 01-24-2013, 10:19 PM

arimidex or aromasin on cycle

Nolva to block the estrogen receptors just in case if he is prone

Letro on hand in case gyno creeps up.

Alot of people will say only AI and no nolva on cycle etc. But others have debated that nolva is perfectly ok on cycle, check out the search on that. I am of the opinion to prevent gyno nolva AND an AI are necessary if u are prone and have existing gyno.

Nolva 20mg/day
Arimidex 0.25mg EOD,,, if sensitive nips then up it to 0.5mg EOD,, adjust it based on need
or
Aromasin 12.5mg EOD adjust if needed

If u cant get these from ur guy,, then check out ar-r .com

Drop the dbol for first cycle

Wuts the pct?

**Iron-56** · 01-24-2013, 10:24 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Do what Jimmy said. The bro science your listening to is going to get someone hurt. You don't wait for the problem and then try to fix it, you prevent it from occurring in the first place. Gyno is not the only side effect from high estrogen, it's just the visible one that everyone seems most transfixed with. Nolva is a SERM, not an AI and should be used in PCT. Your friends need to spend more time learning before they embark on this journey, otherwise they're bound to have many regrets....

And Dbol is not at all needed for a first cycle....just test...

Edit to say that your "friend" should have full BW done prior to this as well. That way he will have good baselines to shoot for when the cycle is over and he tries to return to normal.

I am going to do what jimmy said. Im asking him for his advice. And with all due respect where did you get bro science from? Dbol test cycle is very popular first cycle. it is the onr that is suggested on steroid .com.