Tren/Test Prop Cycle Log

[ellis7]

So while all my friends are out drinking and the gal is at a concert what better way to spend a Friday night on the forms. I am going to be using this as a log for the current cycle I am on and maybe get a little help from you guys to optimize it along the way. I am one week into the following cycle.

Tren Ace 100mg EOD=350mg week
Test Prop 42mg EOD=150mg week
Prami started dosing at .3 ED currently
Liquidex .25mg EOD

I am working out 5 times a week.

Monday-chest & back:
Incline DB Bench SS with Wide Lat Pulldowns 4x8-12
DB bench SS with Bent over rows 3x8-12
Incline Flies SS with close grip cable rows 3x8-12
Chest Dips SS with weighted hyperextensions 3x10-15

Tuesday- Biceps and Triceps:
BB curls 4x8-12
21's 3 sets
Preacher Curls 3x10 * after completing each set then drop weight to half and do 8 more reps
Skull Crushers SS with close grip Bench 3x8-12 then failure for the close grip with same weight
One hand Cable Press down 4x8-12

Wednesday- Legs:
Squats 4x8-12
Lunges 3x8-12
Leg Press 3x8-12
Leg Extensions 3x8-12
Leg Curls 3x8-12
Machine Standing Calf Raises 4xfailure

Thursday- Shoulders:
Shoulder Press 4x8-12
Lateral Raises SS with Upright Rows 3x10
Front Raises 3x10
Rear delt raises 3x10
Face Pulls 3x10
Shrugs Machine side then front 3x20

Friday:OFF

Saturday-Full Body Exhaust
Dead lifts 3x8-12
Squats 3x8-12
Weighted Pull Ups 3x8-12
Clean and Press 3x8-12

Sunday: OFF

Diet is 3300 cals a day. This is 300 cals above maintenance
75g Fat
325g Protein
325g Carbs


Sample Diet
Meal 1: Shake(milk, egg whites, whey protein, banana, oats)
Meal 2: Subway Foot Long Club with Sweet Tea and whole grain chips
Meal 3: Post workout 2 scoops whey and 70grams dextrose
Meal 4: Some lean meat with veggies maybe some pasta if behind on carbs
Meal 5: Cottage Cheese


Supplements:
Whey Protein
Extend BCAA's
C4:Extreme
Animal Pak
Fish Oil
Vitamin D
Zinc
Green Tea
Melatonin

[Stosh_112]

Copy and Paste this and put it under "member cycle results sub-forum". Great place to keep ur logs.

[copaaz]

I think most people here would tell you that you need to increase your Test P to a minimum of 250 EW

[--->>405<<---]

Diet is 3300 cals a day. This is 300 cals above maintenance
75g Fat
325g Protein
325g Carbs


Sample Diet
Meal 1: Shake(milk, egg whites, whey protein, banana, oats)
Meal 2: Subway Foot Long Club with Sweet Tea and whole grain chips u serious dude?
Meal 3: Post workout 2 scoops whey and 70grams dextrose sugar pre and pwo huh?
Meal 4: Some lean meat with veggies maybe some pasta if behind on carbs some implies u dont have planned how much.. what do u mean "if ur behind on carbs" why would u be considering u should be pre planning ur diet?
Meal 5: Cottage Cheese how much?

the wording "diet IS 3300 cals" sounds definite, the language "some" and "if behind" implies the opposite.. which one is it?? looks to me like ur plan is to half ass ur diet.. bad idea IMO..

[Lunk1]

the wording "diet IS 3300 cals" sounds definite, the language "some" and "if behind" implies the opposite.. which one is it?? looks to me like ur plan is to half ass ur diet.. bad idea IMO..

At least someone finally has a worse diet than me

Keep an eye on the possibility of lowE2! With the low TRT dose and .25 adex EOD it might be a bit much. I would consider running it 2 X a week or perhaps even keeping it on hand if you know what signs to look for that your E2 level is high!

I'm not a fan of working opposing muscles on the same day myself.

[ellis7]

the wording "diet IS 3300 cals" sounds definite, the language "some" and "if behind" implies the opposite.. which one is it?? looks to me like ur plan is to half ass ur diet.. bad idea IMO..

Okay dude I am going to try to be as nice as possible.... Who the **** do you think you are coming off like that?? The purpose of these forums are to help people improve, not try to bring them down and mock there best attempt at improving themselves. Judging by you in your display pic, your diet isn't perfect either.

With that being said... I would really like your help because I will be the first one to say I don't know near everything I need to know. How would you tweak my plan diet after I tell you why the diet is the way it is??? I was to lazy to type out the exact amounts that I go by, but if it will help you help me then I will. I am going to college and get three free meal plans a day. That is why I get subway and "some lean meat" is because me and my buddies after gym go to a cafeteria style place on campus that accepts meal plans. They have something different each day, but always have a healthy choice of fish, beef, chicken. Have you never heard of people taking post workout dextrose?? It's a quick digesting carb to help your body recover optimally there have been plenty of studies on it and as long as it fits my daily micros it's fine. It was explained to me that a calorie is a calorie it doesn't matter if it is from protein, fat, or carb as long as I am hitting the amounts of each I want that day.

[Back In Black]

Okay dude I am going to try to be as nice as possible.... Who the **** do you think you are coming off like that?? The purpose of these forums are to help people improve, not try to bring them down and mock there best attempt at improving themselves. Judging by you in your display pic, your diet isn't perfect either.

With that being said... I would really like your help because I will be the first one to say I don't know near everything I need to know. How would you tweak my plan diet after I tell you why the diet is the way it is??? I was to lazy to type out the exact amounts that I go by, but if it will help you help me then I will. I am going to college and get three free meal plans a day. That is why I get subway and "some lean meat" is because me and my buddies after gym go to a cafeteria style place on campus that accepts meal plans. They have something different each day, but always have a healthy choice of fish, beef, chicken. Have you never heard of people taking post workout dextrose?? It's a quick digesting carb to help your body recover optimally there have been plenty of studies on it and as long as it fits my daily micros it's fine. It was explained to me that a calorie is a calorie it doesn't matter if it is from protein, fat, or carb as long as I am hitting the amounts of each I want that day.

Wrong attitude to get help kidda!!!!!!!!!

[Lunk1]

Okay dude I am going to try to be as nice as possible.... Who the **** do you think you are coming off like that?? The purpose of these forums are to help people improve, not try to bring them down and mock there best attempt at improving themselves. Judging by you in your display pic, your diet isn't perfect either.

With that being said... I would really like your help because I will be the first one to say I don't know near everything I need to know. How would you tweak my plan diet after I tell you why the diet is the way it is??? I was to lazy to type out the exact amounts that I go by, but if it will help you help me then I will. I am going to college and get three free meal plans a day. That is why I get subway and "some lean meat" is because me and my buddies after gym go to a cafeteria style place on campus that accepts meal plans. They have something different each day, but always have a healthy choice of fish, beef, chicken. Have you never heard of people taking post workout dextrose?? It's a quick digesting carb to help your body recover optimally there have been plenty of studies on it and as long as it fits my daily micros it's fine. It was explained to me that a calorie is a calorie it doesn't matter if it is from protein, fat, or carb as long as I am hitting the amounts of each I want that day.

Easy killa...the guy is only one of the top nutrition experts on this board ans honestly if your REALLY were trying to be as nice as possible you would not have led out with "who the **** do you think you are" and then in the next paragraph ask for help.

You would serve yourself well to be a bit more humble and be happy that 405 and Stem are taking time to assist you. Remember their pay is a whopping thank you from guys like you and me!

[ellis7]

At least someone finally has a worse diet than me

Keep an eye on the possibility of lowE2! With the low TRT dose and .25 adex EOD it might be a bit much. I would consider running it 2 X a week or perhaps even keeping it on hand if you know what signs to look for that your E2 level is high!

I'm not a fan of working opposing muscles on the same day myself.

Thanks Lunk1! I have been feeling like my E2 levels are bottomed out.. so you would suggest like .25mg liquidex every tuesday/thursday? The reason I want to keep my estrogen under control was because there was a study done with cows that basically said the less estrogen the more lean muscle and enhanced fat loss abilities of tren. So I guess I am trying to keep them low enough to see this, but at the same time I have heard articles say tren works better with E2 at increased levels.

Why are your reasons on not working opposed muscles? I have only done this recently and it felt great the first two weeks doing it, but if it's hurting my results I will cut it out.

[ellis7]

Wrong attitude to get help kidda!!!!!!!!!

I have heard about him from alot of people. Yes, he is very knowledgable in the diet world and I need his "HELP" but what he gave me wasn't help me at all, just basically said my diet and plan was shit and gave no advice on how to fix it... I know stuff is wrong that's why I am posting to try to get HELP

[Lunk1]

Thanks Lunk1! I have been feeling like my E2 levels are bottomed out.. so you would suggest like .25mg liquidex every tuesday/thursday? The reason I want to keep my estrogen under control was because there was a study done with cows that basically said the less estrogen the more lean muscle and enhanced fat loss abilities of tren. So I guess I am trying to keep them low enough to see this, but at the same time I have heard articles say tren works better with E2 at increased levels.

Why are your reasons on not working opposed muscles? I have only done this recently and it felt great the first two weeks doing it, but if it's hurting my results I will cut it out.

Let me first say that I am assuming this is your first cycle and I really think you should put the tren down and walk away. It's obvious your not prepared to deal with the onset of some of the sides associate with the compound. A test only cycle for the first run is ALWAYS a better choice. It's important to test the water with your toe not your head...ya dig?

Back to the question. the male body needs a certain level of estrogen in order to grow. If it goes to low the sides are just as bad as if it were to high! With that low of tesst it doesn't leave alot of excess to convert to estrogen and if you knew how to read your body you may get by without an AI and the risk of crashing your E2. Again...I'm concerned you do not know the signs to look for due to lack of experience and thats why a test only cycle at this time would better suite you!

[ellis7]

Let me first say that I am assuming this is your first cycle and I really think you should put the tren down and walk away. It's obvious your not prepared to deal with the onset of some of the sides associate with the compound. A test only cycle for the first run is ALWAYS a better choice. It's important to test the water with your toe not your head...ya dig?

Back to the question. the male body needs a certain level of estrogen in order to grow. If it goes to low the sides are just as bad as if it were to high! With that low of tesst it doesn't leave alot of excess to convert to estrogen and if you knew how to read your body you may get by without an AI and the risk of crashing your E2. Again...I'm concerned you do not know the signs to look for due to lack of experience and thats why a test only cycle at this time would better suite you!

I have done a test prop cycle before... so no worries bro. I am on my second week of tren and it is fine so far. I have done the research, but will admit I am sure I don't know half of what you vets know in all the areas like diet, training, and cycles.

[ellis7]

It seems like everyone is telling me I should up the test, How much? Atomini aka tren guy on his sticky really believes in normal amounts of test and let tren do all the work.

[Lunk1]

I have done a test prop cycle before... so no worries bro. I am on my second week of tren and it is fine so far. I have done the research, but will admit I am sure I don't know half of what you vets know in all the areas like diet, training, and cycles.

I'm a bit tied up at work but I will be back to this....

[Back In Black]

I have heard about him from alot of people. Yes, he is very knowledgable in the diet world and I need his "HELP" but what he gave me wasn't help me at all, just basically said my diet and plan was shit and gave no advice on how to fix it... I know stuff is wrong that's why I am posting to try to get HELP

Then post it in the nutrition forum and if anybody likes your attitude then you'll get help. You could also read the stickies over in that section an help yourself.

So what have 'a lot of people' got to say about him. I'm sure he would love to know, bearing in mind the amount of people he has helped!

[Lunk1]

Then post it in the nutrition forum and if anybody likes your attitude then you'll get help. You could also read the stickies over in that section an help yourself.

So what have 'a lot of people' got to say about him. I'm sure he would love to know, bearing in mind the amount of people he has helped!

Legend status lol...his head will be bigger than his belly used to be lmao

[ellis7]

Then post it in the nutrition forum and if anybody likes your attitude then you'll get help. You could also read the stickies over in that section an help yourself.

So what have 'a lot of people' got to say about him. I'm sure he would love to know, bearing in mind the amount of people he has helped!

I am the most chill and easy going person you will ever meet. When people try to bring others down then that's when I get like that. It doesn't help to make fun of somebody that is already putting his all into constructing a workout and diet plan to the best of his abilities. I posted this kind of diet back about a month ago and got laughed out, but never anything constructive. It seems like the only people wanting to really help are the guys in here. I have read dieting 101, cutting 101, and lean bulking 101... Is there anything else you think I should read?

[ellis7]

Several of my friends at the gym at one time used this site and one was like you should try to get a good diet plan from that 400 guy and I was like 400?? but now I bet he meant 405 lmao

[--->>405<<---]

Okay dude I am going to try to be as nice as possible.... Who the **** do you think you are coming off like that?? The purpose of these forums are to help people improve, not try to bring them down and mock there best attempt at improving themselves. Judging by you in your display pic, your diet isn't perfect either.

With that being said... I would really like your help because I will be the first one to say I don't know near everything I need to know. How would you tweak my plan diet after I tell you why the diet is the way it is??? I was to lazy to type out the exact amounts that I go by, but if it will help you help me then I will. I am going to college and get three free meal plans a day. That is why I get subway and "some lean meat" is because me and my buddies after gym go to a cafeteria style place on campus that accepts meal plans. They have something different each day, but always have a healthy choice of fish, beef, chicken. Have you never heard of people taking post workout dextrose?? It's a quick digesting carb to help your body recover optimally there have been plenty of studies on it and as long as it fits my daily micros it's fine. It was explained to me that a calorie is a calorie it doesn't matter if it is from protein, fat, or carb as long as I am hitting the amounts of each I want that day.

1. i think im the guy trying to point out that your diet sucks so that u dont waste time and money on a cycle that could be better than it is currently set up (aka. the guy trying to do u a favor!) .. now if i wasnt sweet enuff for u, well, too bad.. personally i dont think i came across with an attitude but i wanted to make sure u got the point. it appears as though u did.

2. "I was too lazy" is exactly what i was thinking! if ur not gonna have enuff ambition to type a few sentences regarding IMO the most important aspect of ur regimen (DIET) what makes u think ur not gonna be just as lazy when it comes to applying it in reality?

3. as far as my avi: i actually think its fairly respectable as is but im in the process of trying to improve on it and having good success! also i would like to note i look better in real life than i do in 2 dimensional form on ur computer screen. i actually look pretty damn good! there was a time when i wouldnt have had the confidence to make that statement on a public board where my image was available for display and critique for thousands of people to see. that time is OVER..

4. i suggest u post a thread in the nutrition section where we can iron ur diet out..

[Lunk1]

It seems like everyone is telling me I should up the test, How much? Atomini aka tren guy on his sticky really believes in normal amounts of test and let tren do all the work.

Remember the golden rule...everyone reacts differently. I would have loved to seen you get a cpl more cycles worth of experience under your belt before sticking tren but alas...here we are!

Test higher or lower is a matter of preference. Both come with their own side effects. Your test dose is high enough to maintain what it's supposed to and if you feeling ok...I wouldnt change it.

Some prefer more test when they are struggling with lethargy and appetite.

[Back In Black]

Several of my friends at the gym at one time used this site and one was like you should try to get a good diet plan from that 400 guy and I was like 400?? but now I bet he meant 405 lmao

Lean Bulking 101 is where it is at for you. Your plan for cals at 300 over maintenance is good. I may argue your protein is a little high (and expensive). There's no real need, especially when bulking, to have your protein more than 1.5g per lb of LBM. You can make the difference with carbs.

But the trick to all this is really planning. Try not to 'get behind' or else you'll be force feeding at the end of the day. Ideally you want no carbs 3 hours before sleep but its no real biggie if you do. My sleep is disturbed if I eat carbs too late and GH release may be affected.

You will only be able to digest 50% of your egg whites in your shake.

Post workout sugar is a no no. Switch it for a real carb source.

Subway is processed food, it wouldn't be a staple of my diet.

What are the amounts of each food, it doesn't look like over 3000cals?

[Back In Black]

Oh, and if you actually visited your other thread in the nutrition section, there are outstanding questions got YOU to answer!!!!!!

[ellis7]

You deff got my attention brah . I went and looked at some of your old posts nothing but respect for you now. I just thought you were trying to hate on the noobie, but I understand now. I am going to post the diet in the diet section. Please stop by and try to give me some help if you can ever forgive me! I really am not an asshole.

[Back In Black]

You deff got my attention brah . I went and looked at some of your old posts nothing but respect for you now. I just thought you were trying to hate on the noobie, but I understand now. I am going to post the diet in the diet section. Please stop by and try to give me some help if you can ever forgive me! I really am not an asshole.

Only if you promise to never call me 'brah' again

[ellis7]

Okay thanks for so much great info. We are starting to get somewhere.

Okay I will lower the protein down and increase the carbs. Lets say 260g protein, 390g C, 75g F.

I will start shutting carbs off around 8 then. Don't wana hurt dat GH release.

Dextrose is gone from now on.

It is liquid egg whites that come in a package. They have been pasteurized I thought that helped the absorption.

Is subway that bad for you... I had no idea. I thought it was pretty healthy. My sub consist of Italion herbs and cheese bread with (roast beef, turkey, and ham) lettuce, banana papers, olives, spinach, oil and vinegar, light mayo, and sweet onion sauce. For campus food I thought it was pretty healthy. I need to stop with the sweet tea and chips though I bet.

I will post the amounts of each tonight.

[ellis7]

I meant that to 405, but lots of respect for you too steM!!

[ellis7]

Remember the golden rule...everyone reacts differently. I would have loved to seen you get a cpl more cycles worth of experience under your belt before sticking tren but alas...here we are!

Test higher or lower is a matter of preference. Both come with their own side effects. Your test dose is high enough to maintain what it's supposed to and if you feeling ok...I wouldnt change it.

Some prefer more test when they are struggling with lethargy and appetite.

What sides should I look for when running test that much lower then tren just for the info.

[--->>405<<---]

You deff got my attention brah . I went and looked at some of your old posts nothing but respect for you now. I just thought you were trying to hate on the noobie, but I understand now. I am going to post the diet in the diet section. Please stop by and try to give me some help if you can ever forgive me! I really am not an asshole.

no hard feelings pal! and i appreciate the compliment! will chek ur thread for sure! we just want to make sure u do the best u can from every angle! preparation is very important..

[ellis7]

Okay so after I injected today, some of the oil came back out. It wasn't anything major, but I don't want to waste any. My gal injects me and a buddy and it happened to him too. What can she do to help prevent this?

[Back In Black]

no hard feelings pal! and i appreciate the compliment! will chek ur thread for sure! we just want to make sure u do the best u can from every angle! preparation is very important..

Damn, I thought he was impressed with me!!!!!

Egg whites, pasteurised or not, are only 50% bioavailable. The pasteurisation process kills salmonella bacteria, it's not a high enough temp to cook the whites.

The turkey and ham in your sub are cuttings swept up from the floor and pressed into shape. With salt and other preservatives added.

[Granovich]

good luck... your diet isnt good but its good that the experts helped you
i will watch your log...

[ellis7]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...e#.UQRCEqUhTnU

I posted the link to the diet post if anyone wants to help. Thanks
Ellis

[Lunk1]

Get out of Q&A with this diet crap lol. You and your buddy need to lear to stick your damn selves. You have NO idea what sides your going to expect from Tren. Your only running whatever amounts you read in Atominis thread with no real research of the compound. My guess is because you want to get shredded and you think tren will rip you up. This is not going to go well is my premanition!

[ellis7]

Get out of Q&A with this diet crap lol. You and your buddy need to lear to stick your damn selves. You have NO idea what sides your going to expect from Tren. Your only running whatever amounts you read in Atominis thread with no real research of the compound. My guess is because you want to get shredded and you think tren will rip you up. This is not going to go well is my premanition!

I have injected myself for 10 weeks straight EOD; I think I can stick my damn self just fine. When I have the option I let somebody else do it. I have researched tren... the cough, night sweats, insomnia, anger issues the sides go on and on
I am running Atominis amounts because he has a lot of experience dealing with the substance. I mean hell he has his own sticky for it. I'll post some pics of the progress for you and we will see just how well it ends

[Granovich]

I have injected myself for 10 weeks straight EOD; I think I can stick my damn self just fine. When I have the option I let somebody else do it. I have researched tren... the cough, night sweats, insomnia, anger issues the sides go on and on
I am running Atominis amounts because he has a lot of experience dealing with the substance. I mean hell he has his own sticky for it. I'll post some pics of the progress for you and we will see just how well it ends

i would really listen to Lunk, fix the diet and cycle as well.. maybe you are done with this cycle. fix on eating right and running solid Diet and next time before cycling by month or so , come and post your plan so you can gather enough info...
did u finish the cycle ?? how much did u gain ??

[Shsm]

Okay thanks for so much great info. We are starting to get somewhere.

Okay I will lower the protein down and increase the carbs. Lets say 260g protein, 390g C, 75g F.

I will start shutting carbs off around 8 then. Don't wana hurt dat GH release.

Dextrose is gone from now on.

It is liquid egg whites that come in a package. They have been pasteurized I thought that helped the absorption.

Is subway that bad for you... I had no idea. I thought it was pretty healthy. My sub consist of Italion herbs and cheese bread with (roast beef, turkey, and ham) lettuce, banana papers, olives, spinach, oil and vinegar, light mayo, and sweet onion sauce. For campus food I thought it was pretty healthy. I need to stop with the sweet tea and chips though I bet.

I will post the amounts of each tonight.

Man, that sounds so damn good right now!

[Lunk1]

I have injected myself for 10 weeks straight EOD; I think I can stick my damn self just fine. When I have the option I let somebody else do it. I have researched tren... the cough, night sweats, insomnia, anger issues the sides go on and on
I am running Atominis amounts because he has a lot of experience dealing with the substance. I mean hell he has his own sticky for it. I'll post some pics of the progress for you and we will see just how well it ends

I'm not taking anything away fro Atominis info or experience....my point is, that having a sticky on a forum doesn't make it gospel! It's important to learn not just follow direction.

I wish you great progress and results but your awesome 10 week prop cycle most likely did not prepare you for some of the sides ppl can get from tren...health risk related sides, not just sweating and sleep issues!

[ellis7]

i would really listen to Lunk, fix the diet and cycle as well.. maybe you are done with this cycle. fix on eating right and running solid Diet and next time before cycling by month or so , come and post your plan so you can gather enough info...
did u finish the cycle ?? how much did u gain ??

I am working on fixing the diet in the diet section a we speak. As far as the cycle its self, what do you think is wrong with it? You make it sound like this cycle is just going to be worthless I still have 7 weeks. I will get my diet straight tonight and have a revised diet tomorrow and monday be fine.

[ellis7]

I'm not taking anything away fro Atominis info or experience....my point is, that having a sticky on a forum doesn't make it gospel! It's important to learn not just follow direction.

I wish you great progress and results but your awesome 10 week prop cycle most likely did not prepare you for some of the sides ppl can get from tren...health risk related sides, not just sweating and sleep issues!

You are exactly right and I know you are just looking out for me. prop is not even close to tren and I am taking a huge risk here..

[ellis7]

Man, that sounds so damn good right now!

Doesn't it???