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    Sustanon and Winstrol

    I am currently 165lbs 8% bf 5'7
    This would be my second cycle. I am trying to cut down and gain lean muscle mass.
    I am not as familiar with sustanon and winstrol but got the general idea that they are good for cutting.

    Weeks 1-12 Sustanon start off low dose first 4 weeks climbing to 500 by 4th week and keep it at 500 till last 4 weeks and begin to drop

    weeks 1-6 Winstrol injections 50 mg

    Pct. Hcg 4 shots total start last 2 weeks of cycle , Nolva 40/40/20/20 4 days after last injection

    I am new too these two types of steroids so dont know if i have the right idea going on here so was looking for some help
    My diet is currently at 2000 cals a day as i am cutting my diet is always in check.
    Your thoughts please and help.

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    The way sust works you should really be pinning every three days. The prop and phenyl prop esters are so short you shouldn't pin any less. Also, your blood levels will peak and trough a lot because of the nature of the compound. I liked it as my first cycle but most people on this board aren't fans. Just because each of the esters, if used alone, are very much underdosed. And winstrol isn't a fat cutter. It's a hardener and will probably dry you out.
    If you're gonna use any test you should run an AI no matter what. I would also recommend the HCG earlier than the last two weeks.

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    How old are you Luke?

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    Quote Originally Posted by austinite View Post
    How old are you Luke?
    Most likely 22...

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeVader91
    I am currently 165lbs 8% bf 5'7
    This would be my second cycle. I am trying to cut down and gain lean muscle mass.
    I am not as familiar with sustanon and winstrol but got the general idea that they are good for cutting.

    Weeks 1-12 Sustanon start off low dose first 4 weeks climbing to 500 by 4th week and keep it at 500 till last 4 weeks and begin to drop

    weeks 1-6 Winstrol injections 50 mg

    Pct. Hcg 4 shots total start last 2 weeks of cycle , Nolva 40/40/20/20 4 days after last injection

    I am new too these two types of steroids so dont know if i have the right idea going on here so was looking for some help
    My diet is currently at 2000 cals a day as i am cutting my diet is always in check.
    Your thoughts please and help.
    Bro winny injects are brutal... I take two inch and a half needle shots every day and I'm not tough enough for that shit... Good thing is I it gets too painful then you can drink the injections.... Usually cheaper for tabs tho... Btw if this were my cycle I would drop the winny... Isn't really worth taking if not pre contest

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    Quote Originally Posted by SteM
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    Luke where is your father???? Didnt he tell ya roids are bad son??? Honestly bro if you plan on competing you should stay natural... At least as long as possible... I wish I could go back and be a natural bodybuilder. That being said I started really really young and test worked best for me for years

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    Thanks a lot for the help guys, and yeah I am 22 and have used steroids once a test c and anavar cycle. I gained 20 pounds on it and kept about 15 of it. I'm just looking to cut up more I am currently dieting and liking the results so I may not even result using another cycle. All this talk of winny being painful it's making me sway away from it. I don't want to touch tren either despite all the talk of how it's the best.. Seems like there is a lot of sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeVader91
    I am currently 165lbs 8% bf 5'7
    This would be my second cycle. I am trying to cut down and gain lean muscle mass.
    I am not as familiar with sustanon and winstrol but got the general idea that they are good for cutting.

    Weeks 1-12 Sustanon start off low dose first 4 weeks climbing to 500 by 4th week and keep it at 500 till last 4 weeks and begin to drop

    weeks 1-6 Winstrol injections 50 mg

    Pct. Hcg 4 shots total start last 2 weeks of cycle , Nolva 40/40/20/20 4 days after last injection

    I am new too these two types of steroids so dont know if i have the right idea going on here so was looking for some help
    My diet is currently at 2000 cals a day as i am cutting my diet is always in check.
    Your thoughts please and help.
    8% based on which test? Any pics of torso and wheels?

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    So you put on 20lbs and you only weight 165! This tells me not only are you to young.That you had no base! You are playing a dangerous game bro.Read beginners cycles thread having ED at your age isnt a good thing.

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    You said you want to "cut down." Cut down what? According to your stats there is nothing to get rid off. The cycle you have laid out isn't good on top of that. You don't need anything besides more food and heavy ass weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeVader91 View Post
    I am currently 165lbs 8% bf 5'7
    This would be my second cycle. I am trying to cut down and gain lean muscle mass.
    I am not as familiar with sustanon and winstrol but got the general idea that they are good for cutting.

    Weeks 1-12 Sustanon start off low dose first 4 weeks climbing to 500 by 4th week and keep it at 500 till last 4 weeks and begin to drop

    weeks 1-6 Winstrol injections 50 mg

    Pct. Hcg 4 shots total start last 2 weeks of cycle , Nolva 40/40/20/20 4 days after last injection

    I am new too these two types of steroids so dont know if i have the right idea going on here so was looking for some help
    My diet is currently at 2000 cals a day as i am cutting my diet is always in check.
    Your thoughts please and help.
    want to bet your not at 8%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by >Good Luck< View Post
    8% based on which test? Any pics of torso and wheels?
    I posted before I saw this.

    reminds me of a gym buddy. (guys I say whats up to when see in gym, nothing more) he is I think 24 (young) and told me he thinks he is about 5% body..lol... I laughed for a while at the gym before my work out. he is about 12-13%

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