Deca or Primo Cycle. LBM. Reasonable goals?

**keano** · 01-29-2013, 03:15 PM

I have just posted about my present cycle anavar 80mg whole dieting. High protein low carb. to lose bf%while retaining muscle.

After break I am planning on either running deca or possibly primo. The Primo is real. Taking 200mg test e every 2weeks for HRT.
My goals: Gain 5-8lbs LBM.

I don't want the huge bloated look slow retained gains are fine with me. I wanted to low dose of deca 200mg over 14 weeks but concerned about bloat. I do have aromsin and dostinex on hand though. How much that will help IDK though. I know about the deca dick thing I may up my test if I find I have a problem in that area. If I went this route would I hit my goals without the bloat and retain LBM (I know keeping my diet the same is part of it plus I am on HRT which might help). Maybe add small does of winny?

I heard test gains don't last as long as deca is this true?

Other option is Primo which is legit. I now this builds quality muscle and is safe except for hair depending on individual. Or would I get the same results as my anavar cycle?

Concerned about my hair which is pretty good after two years of HRT on test. Some thinning but not awful.

**warmouth** · 01-29-2013, 03:43 PM

What are you stats?
You shouldnt have to worry about bloat as long as your estro is in check and your diet is pretty clean. I think 200mgs of Deca is a bit low, but thats not to say it wouldnt be beneficial. With deca, the gains are painfully slow. With TRT, you can achieve the 5-8lbs pretty easy as well. The diet is going to determine what the AAS will do, so as long as it is on par, and you are training for growth, it will come with or without anything other than TRT.
As far as the primo. I have never done it, but plan on using it in a few months. I would prefer it over deca, but from what I hear, the dose needs to be pretty substantial, as in 400mgs weekly, MINIMUM. Most say upwards of 6-800mgs weekly, is it takes a long time for the gains as well. I am on deca at the moment and love it. I am on my normal TRT dose of 125mgs weekly, and 450 mgs deca weekly, and have had more sex drive than I ever have before. Not getting size quick, but that isnt my intention. Either way, as long as you take the needed precautions and have your diet checked by our pros here, you should see results, even if you keep to TRT only.
Good luck!

**keano** · 01-29-2013, 03:55 PM

I am 43yo - 180lb - 5'9". You sound similar to me in sense of also on HRT and doing deca . What have you noticed with your deca cycle in terms of growth or bloat? funny your going to try primo the one thing holding me back is I heard you can get the same results with anavar . I don't know how true that is?

You shouldn't have to worry about bloat as long as your estro is in check

So a low does of Aromsin should be good then?

**keano** · 01-31-2013, 07:27 PM

Warmouth how has your experience been test only vs deca

**swm1972** · 01-31-2013, 07:41 PM

Deca is my second favorite add on I say add on because I am on HRT. Primo is my favorite hands down. But as someone else said high doses, long runs (20+ weeks are common), and the cost makes it something I don't just do all the time. I'd stay on primo year round if I felt like it wasn't a health concern. It changes your body composition in ways other steroids don't. It's something everyone should experience for themselves at least once.

**warmouth** · 01-31-2013, 08:25 PM

Originally Posted by keano

Warmouth how has your experience been test only vs deca

Sorry. Just saw this. My experience is good. I was a little concerned at first because I thought I was experiencing bloat, since I frontloaded it. But everything is fine. If you keep your test really low, you may not need an AI at all. If you dont need an AI on your TRT, you should still run Caber or prami for the Deca . But for me, I like this. Everything is going slow, and strength isnt up too much yet, but I know it is starting to work. I am getting flushed during workouts, and a bit more endurance. It is just one of those real slow acting AAS, but Iam liking it.

And as far as the primo and anavar comparison...... I wouldnt say they were even close. As swm just said, there is nothing else that really compares. I dont know first hand, but I believe that to be 100% true because alot of our most knowledgeable members have nothing but great things to say. Its just alot of pinning.

**Granovich** · 01-31-2013, 08:48 PM

one thing i would keep test more than deca .... probably double the dose...
as for primo its hard to come by legit source but if you have one then you need to run it at high doses for long time like 15 weeks up to 20 or so ... something like 600-800mg per week
i was going to do it around april time but i couldnt find a good source for primo and i was not sure that i should spend such money on fake gear...
but if you can affoard it and you are 100% its legit then run primo for sure... you will get 10 lbs with primo/test ( of course having awesome diet will be big part of gains )
but primo gains are solid and long lasting and it definitely has less effect on HPTA... and it doesnt bloat you at all...

**swm1972** · 01-31-2013, 09:55 PM

War mouth brought up a very good point to consider. The injection volume running primo is big. A gram of primo is 10ml @ 100mg/ml (most common concentration) and then you add some testosterone to it and you can find yourself shoot 12-1/2 to 15 ml/week pretty fast.

**Bonaparte** · 01-31-2013, 10:22 PM

Primo all the way. Deca is decent for cheap bulking, but it isn't what you're looking for.

**austinite** · 01-31-2013, 10:23 PM

Primo. And you don't need a gram of primo.

**warmouth** · 01-31-2013, 11:56 PM

Originally Posted by Granovich

one thing i would keep test more than deca .... probably double the dose...

Why? Based on what? He isnt looking to get big fast with unattainable gains.

**warmouth** · 01-31-2013, 11:57 PM

Ha ha. I just saw Bonaparte and Austinite post Primo. Those 2 were the ones I was talking about, and Turkish Juicer. They are why I want to use Primo.

**keano** · 02-01-2013, 09:54 AM

@warmouth do you use a AI on your TRT? I notice abdominal bloating at times like tight LOL. Been drinking more water I have liquid prami and stane on hand but never used it.

Yea fellas I did the math and Christ that is too expensive for me right now for the primo. I can get it probably in 2 months. It's great to hear the positive feedback on it. It sounds just what I need. Still that fear of what if doesn't work LOL. But I am a believer in finding out for myself. So I'll plan primo cycle in two months.

A friend gave me tren hex saying it will for sure change body comp. yet I know it's a powerful compounds with strong sides. I'll hold onto that. Right now planning to finding my var only cycle/diet then Primo down the line.

I almost bought deca but from bloat reasons glad I held off even though I have stane and prami