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**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 01:43 PM

Hey fellow athletes, and service members. Im 24, 5'8,22% BF. looking to get bigger stronger and faster. My goal is to be physically fit any everyway possible.lol. I appreciate any suggestions as far as stacks and cycles go. Thanx.
Recce

**songdog** · 02-02-2013, 01:57 PM

Wat type of training do you do and how much do you weigh? Do you train with weights? how long?

**scorpion62** · 02-02-2013, 01:59 PM

I would suggest you post your diet in the nutrition section first get the diet sorted before you consider doing a cycle

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 02:15 PM

. My workouts usually last a little over an hour. Ive been doing a heavy weight training program I got from sealfit. My diet isn't the best. I'm deployed so I can't be picky. I stick to as much fruits and green veggies as possibles. I usually get my carbs in at dinner. I also drink water all day long.

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 02:17 PM

Oh yea I also weigh 180lbs. Id like to be around 185-190.

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 02:31 PM

Hey brotha stay safe over seas. They are looking to send me soon.

Are your goals weight loss? Not trying to be a douche but with 22% bf id say that would be a good starting point

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 02:39 PM

Hey none Taken. I just did a BF calculation on the web. It says im at 12%. Everyone says I'm pretty ripped. Sry for my ignorants guys. New at this... I'd like to put on a few more lbs actually, while keeping shredds.lol Afghanistan is a constant workout so my cardio consist of climbing mountains.lol once I figure out this website more I'll post pics.

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 02:44 PM

Originally Posted by Recce

Hey none Taken. I just did a BF calculation on the web. It says im at 12%. Everyone says I'm pretty ripped. Sry for my ignorants guys. New at this... I'd like to put on a few more lbs actually, while keeping shredds.lol Afghanistan is a constant workout so my cardio consist of climbing mountains.lol once I figure out this website more I'll post pics.

bro their is a lot you can tell from a screen name.
Considering who is on the constant roto right now I am thinking your either 1 2 or 3 vp? If not RCR. My biggest piece of advice is to only go on this site with your personal computer and to not use the ones they have set up there, they really track this stuff now. Also pleaaase wait until you get home if your thinking about running a cycle.

Be safe bro

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

bro their is a lot you can tell from a screen name.
Considering who is on the constant roto right now I am thinking your either 1 2 or 3 vp? If not RCR. My biggest piece of advice is to only go on this site with your personal computer and to not use the ones they have set up there, they really track this stuff now. Also pleaaase wait until you get home if your thinking about running a cycle.

Be safe bro

Appreciate the concern man. But I'm not taking anything as of right now, and there's nothing wrong with getting some info. Also I'm not with any 1,2, or 3 vp or RCR. But I got the message bro.

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 03:02 PM

Originally Posted by Recce

Appreciate the concern man. But I'm not taking anything as of right now, and there's nothing wrong with getting some info. Also I'm not with any 1,2, or 3 vp or RCR. But I got the message bro.

right on man, have a fun one over there

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by Recce

Hey none Taken. I just did a BF calculation on the web. It says im at 12%. Everyone says I'm pretty ripped. Sry for my ignorants guys. New at this... I'd like to put on a few more lbs actually, while keeping shredds.lol Afghanistan is a constant workout so my cardio consist of climbing mountains.lol once I figure out this website more I'll post pics.

Good work. That's pretty lean. If your overseas you will really be limited on what you can eat. Especially depending on your MOS. Id say eat as much as possible with whatever clean food you can find in the DFAC and stay consistent on the weights. You will be burning tons of calories over there as i'm sure you already know haha

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 03:22 PM

Maybe order some meal bars and buy some protein powder. This could add two more at least small meals to what your already eating and meal bars would be easy to carry out onto patrols and stuff.

I'm excited to see what kind of progress you make, your goals are very achievable in my mind.

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 03:24 PM

Yea that the only tuff part about puttin on those few extra pounds. That's why I'm considered trying out a cycle. I just wanna know what would be best for my goals? ThanxAk93

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 03:30 PM

Yea that the only tuff part about puttin on those few extra pounds. That's why I'm considered trying out a cycle. I just wanna know what would be best for my goals? ThanxAk93

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Maybe order some meal bars and buy some protein powder. This could add two more at least small meals to what your already eating and meal bars would be easy to carry out onto patrols and stuff.

I'm excited to see what kind of progress you make, your goals are very achievable in my mind.

I'm taking protein powder, also think about creatine. But I'll half to start eating more on patrols. Meal bars!

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Recce

Yea that the only tuff part about puttin on those few extra pounds. That's why I'm considered trying out a cycle. I just wanna know what would be best for my goals? ThanxAk93

what is more important to you, being bigger and stronger or being faster and having more endurance?

I find with cycles those are two very conflicting goals for the most part. You could run a 8 week prop cycle or 10 week cyp cycle and I would pretty much gaurentee you would put on 10-15 lbs of solid muscle making you bigger and stronger but that extra weight will slow you down.

Honestly I would say if your looking for bigger and stronger a cycle would be great for you, but if your more concerned about speed and endurance I would just train specifically for that and train natural

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 03:44 PM

That was my concern. I'm only talking about 10 extra lbs at the most. What about upping my cardio on cycle, and hitting the weights even harder? Endurance is always important for my work, but the bulking part is for my personal satisfaction ya know.

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Recce

That was my concern. I'm only talking about 10 extra lbs at the most. What about upping my cardio on cycle, and hitting the weights even harder? Endurance is always important for my work, but the bulking part is for my personal satisfaction ya know.

oh I know it man, and lived it lol.

From my personal experience my best 5 k time around 21 minutes when I weighed about 175 lbs, but I could only bench about 205 once or twice

The best my lifts ever got was when I was 192 pounds and I could easily bench 275 for six reps but would literally get shin splints walking for more than 10 minutes and jogging was just out of the question.

Now I am about 185 lbs, I could probably run a 5 k in about 25 minutes and I can bench 255 for ten reps.

I think balance is really key, however if you focus on both cardio and adding muscle through weight lifting your really just going to tred water and only make small gains.

The harder you hit cardio the more it eats into your lifting routine, you know?

Essentialy if your willing to lose a bit of endurance and cardio abilties adding 10 lbs from a cycle can be great but I really do think your cardio will go down

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 04:13 PM

Considering all suggestions. Thanx guys!

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

what is more important to you, being bigger and stronger or being faster and having more endurance?

I find with cycles those are two very conflicting goals for the most part. You could run a 8 week prop cycle or 10 week cyp cycle and I would pretty much gaurentee you would put on 10-15 lbs of solid muscle making you bigger and stronger but that extra weight will slow you down.

Honestly I would say if your looking for bigger and stronger a cycle would be great for you, but if your more concerned about speed and endurance I would just train specifically for that and train natural

just my opinion but a cycle while deployed doesn't sound like a good idea. I know its been done and often but it is extremely risky still.

10 to 15 pounds won't slow him down IMO., my current NCO was a powerlifter for many years, benched close to 500 pounds at one point and he's a scout. His cardio was still spot on, running around a 1338 two mile and push up and sit up were a breeze for him. Don't be afraid to put on weight. Just keep your cardio up and you will be great.

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

just my opinion but a cycle while deployed doesn't sound like a good idea. I know its been done and often but it is extremely risky still.

10 to 15 pounds won't slow him down IMO., my current NCO was a powerlifter for many years, benched close to 500 pounds at one point and he's a scout. His cardio was still spot on, running around a 1338 two mile and push up and sit up were a breeze for him. Don't be afraid to put on weight. Just keep your cardio up and you will be great.

10-15 lbs will definetly slow you down. Ive been in long enough and done enough to know from personal experince it will without a doubt slow you down. Its ridiculous to think adding 10-15 lbs would not slow you down

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

10-15 lbs will definetly slow you down. Ive been in long enough and done enough to know from personal experince it will without a doubt slow you down. Its ridiculous to think adding 10-15 lbs would not slow you down

All you have to do is keep your cardio up.

I understand you lived it but if you keep your cardio up, even on cycle you should be more than fine

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

All you have to do is keep your cardio up.

I understand you lived it but if you keep your cardio up, even on cycle you should be more than fine

no, when you start adding that mass its simply not possible to keep your cardio up. Putting on 10-15 lbs in the span of 8 to ten weeks will not make it possible to keep your cardio levels to where they were before hand.

Its a hard fact that its a trade off, add that kind of mass and your cardio will drop.

It's all up to the op about what he wants

**Armykid93** · 02-02-2013, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

no, when you start adding that mass its simply not possible to keep your cardio up. Putting on 10-15 lbs in the span of 8 to ten weeks will not make it possible to keep your cardio levels to where they were before hand.

Its a hard fact that its a trade off, add that kind of mass and your cardio will drop.

It's all up to the op about what he wants

He will be fine with his mass gain. Just keep your cardio up everyday brotha. IMO, you will be good

**thex95** · 02-02-2013, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

He will be fine with his mass gain. Just keep your cardio up everyday brotha. IMO, you will be good

you say that because you have never gone through the process, your young, your military experience is less than a few years and your naive.

you will still be good OP your cardio will just go down a bit from where it is now. Its just the reality of the situation, and if your fine with that good on you. As your a fellow Canadian me and you will stay in touch about everything for sure.

**Recce** · 02-02-2013, 10:45 PM

Ive been hearing good things about creatine. You guys think that would be a good alternative? My buddy uses it and it seems to be working fine for him. He's put on some mass, and his cardio still seems outstanding.

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by Recce

Ive been hearing good things about creatine. You guys think that would be a good alternative? My buddy uses it and it seems to be working fine for him. He's put on some mass, and his cardio still seems outstanding.

creatine is great man. I would not say its an alternative to aas but its definitely a supplement I invest in. use canadianprotein.com. Amazing prices for bulk orders

**wmaousley** · 02-03-2013, 04:34 AM

Please do not throw away your military career over taking AAS in a CZ. Try to achieve what you want naturally then start a cyce once conus.

**Euroholic** · 02-03-2013, 04:55 AM

You infantry or what? If you are "hand shake" gaining mass in the army is hard if your in a combat role. The food sucks you dont always get to eat blah blah. You get mega fit tho but i always hated running ive got flat feet so it hurts my knees. At least its winter for you when i was there was summer hot as hell. Enjoy mate i loved being deployed was sik you tons of respect from the birds back home when you tell them your a rifleman

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 03:38 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

you say that because you have never gone through the process, your young, your military experience is less than a few years and your naive.

you will still be good OP your cardio will just go down a bit from where it is now. Its just the reality of the situation, and if your fine with that good on you. As your a fellow Canadian me and you will stay in touch about everything for sure.

Correct. I don't have a ton of experience. That's why i'm telling him what was told to me by my leadership. I may be young but i'm not naive.

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by wmaousley

Please do not throw away your military career over taking AAS in a CZ. Try to achieve what you want naturally then start a cyce once conus.

X2 plus idk how it is in other militaries but from what I've heard the guys in Afghanistan right now get a decent amount of gym time. Maybe not the infantry but many MOSs

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Correct. I don't have a ton of experience. That's why i'm telling him what was told to me by my leadership. I may be young but i'm not naive.

if you think you can put on 15 lbs without it affecting your cardio your extremely niave

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

if you think you can put on 15 lbs without it affecting your cardio your extremely niave

Obviously its going to affect it. Everybody knows that. But there are things you can do to keep your cardio. Such as incorporating more, and over time even with the weight gain, your cardio can get back up to the level you were at. I see dudes daily who are at weights higher than what the OP is talking about running around 13 minute two miles. It doesn't matter if you become slightly slower for a short period of time. As long as you get it back.

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Obviously its going to affect it. Everybody knows that. But there are things you can do to keep your cardio. Such as incorporating more, and over time even with the weight gain, your cardio can get back up to the level you were at. I see dudes daily who are at weights higher than what the OP is talking about running around 13 minute two miles. It doesn't matter if you become slightly slower for a short period of time. As long as you get it back.

actually it does matter and as a serving member you should know that.

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

actually it does matter and as a serving member you should know that.

Lol no, it doesn't. If he can pass whatever pt test they give him and he is meeting the standard of the militaries physical fitness that's all that matters. He can worry about exceeding the standards after his bulk.

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Lol no, it doesn't. If he can pass whatever pt test they give him and he is meeting the standard of the militaries physical fitness that's all that matters. He can worry about exceeding the standards after his bulk.

talk to me when you have actually deployed

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 07:23 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

talk to me when you have actually deployed

Lol back to tearing people down. Seems that's all your good at.

Don't be scared to gain weight OP. Your goals are very achievable and sure your gonna slow down but as long as you keep the cardio up it shouldn't be hard to restore after your bulk.

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

Lol back to tearing people down. Seems that's all your good at.

Don't be scared to gain weight OP. Your goals are very achievable and sure your gonna slow down but as long as you keep the cardio up it shouldn't be hard to restore after your bulk.

you have no idea what your talking about. your simply try and say I am "tearing people down" in the absence of a defensible position. I say something you dont like, you just say I am "tearing someone down". Your barely any more use to this particular thread than a troll. "slowing down" over there can literally mean death so why dont you just sum up since you are clearly just giving shit advice.

The OP needs to consider the benifits and costs of both options which is what he is doing. With gaining mass you will lose cardio, its pretty dam black and white. yes you will eventually get it back however when you do you will also lose a great deal of gained mass in the process.

Your such a typical naive "i know everything" private its unbelievable. I sincerely hope you gain some useful experience some day in your professional life and understand that it is a trade off when adding mass to reduce cardio.

**Armykid93** · 02-03-2013, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by thex95

you have no idea what your talking about. your simply try and say I am "tearing people down" in the absence of a defensible position. I say something you dont like, you just say I am "tearing someone down". Your barely any more use to this particular thread than a troll. "slowing down" over there can literally mean death so why dont you just sum up since you are clearly just giving shit advice.

The OP needs to consider the benifits and costs of both options which is what he is doing. With gaining mass you will lose cardio, its pretty dam black and white. yes you will eventually get it back however when you do you will also lose a great deal of gained mass in the process.

Your such a typical naive "i know everything" private its unbelievable. I sincerely hope you gain some useful experience some day in your professional life and understand that it is a trade off when adding mass to reduce cardio.

So we should never gain mass because its going to slow us down and we shouldn't cut because we will lose mass?

How is my position not defendable? I've been defending it threw this entire thread pretty well. To the point where you are now upset and only able to reply with "talk to me when you have deployed" I don't claim to know everything. I actually ask questions quite often here and in person to my leadership in the military.

I even gave a real life story one of my NCOs told me. He said because of his powerlifting that certain things like ruck marches and such were easier. I've even asked if in combat people do a lot of long distance running (more than a mile) and most of the combat guys I've talked said no. they said during combat its pretty much short sprints they are doing, trying to get to cover so they can return fire safely.

**thex95** · 02-03-2013, 08:07 PM

Originally Posted by Armykid93

So we should never gain mass because its going to slow us down and we shouldn't cut because we will lose mass?

How is my position not defendable? I've been defending it threw this entire thread pretty well. To the point where you are now upset and only able to reply with "talk to me when you have deployed" I don't claim to know everything. I actually ask questions quite often here and in person to my leadership in the military.

I even gave a real life story one of my NCOs told me. He said because of his powerlifting that certain things like ruck marches and such were easier. I've even asked if in combat people do a lot of long distance running (more than a mile) and most of the combat guys I've talked said no. they said during combat its pretty much short sprints they are doing, trying to get to cover so they can return fire safely.

your a lost cause and I am done with you. I never said at any point guys shouldnt add mass or cut I was just describing what the process is like. Im just gonna go ahead and block you because I am over wasting my time trying to explain something so simple.