how does this look ? cycle help

**joe_19** · 02-02-2013, 07:59 AM

age 22, 2 cycles down, prev cycle was test tren winny , weigh about 75kgs atm

have been traveling for a year lost a lot of weight through that, CRITIQUE PLEASE!!

test enth 300mg a week
tren ace 500mg a week
4 weeks adrol 50mg ED
last 4 weeks winny 20-30mg ED

10 week cycle

pct- chlomid and hcg

nolva on hand for an anti E if needed on cycle.

do i need an AI ?

whats everyones outlook on peptides ??

**Charger527** · 02-02-2013, 10:20 AM

I say work on your diet for starters... and your pretty young to have done two cycles all ready but i dont know your circumstances...

**Charger527** · 02-02-2013, 10:22 AM

Need more info aswell..What height are you? Whats your bf% and why do you want to use gear?

And you really need to research pct...

**ironbeck** · 02-02-2013, 10:26 AM

That's a pretty advanced cycle, but everything looks in order and yes u will need a AI.
I just noticed you listed Test e I thought it was prop, Test E should be ran for 12-14 weeks IMO and a week longer than the tren .

**Bio-Active** · 02-02-2013, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by joe_19

age 22, 2 cycles down, prev cycle was test tren winny , weigh about 75kgs atm

have been traveling for a year lost a lot of weight through that, CRITIQUE PLEASE!!

test enth 300mg a week
tren ace 500mg a week
4 weeks adrol 50mg ED
last 4 weeks winny 20-30mg ED

10 week cycle

pct- chlomid and hcg

nolva on hand for an anti E if needed on cycle.

do i need an AI ?

whats everyones outlook on peptides ??

22 is young to be cycling . HCG is for on cycle not for pct. PCT should be nolva and clomid

**Charger527** · 02-02-2013, 10:33 AM

your pct needs work...

**kelkel** · 02-02-2013, 10:39 AM

First, you're a bit young but that's already past tense. Second, gain your weight back first before you embark on this. Third, your cycle has issues you need to address and fourth, some of these questions are really kind of basic which means you need to spend some time learning a bit more. This is not being negative toward you but it will be the observation of many others here as well. That said:

Test amount is in the middle. You may just consider dropping it to a TRT level and using your tren as the basis of the cycle. Read Atomini's thread about Tren for more detailed info for that approach. Long esters should also be run for at least 12 weeks. I'd cut the tren to 8 weeks. Remember tren's a progestin and it doesn't aromatise but can cause prolactin related issues if your E is not controlled. Caber on hand would be wise.

Also remember more is not better at your age and that's a good size dose of tren. I know, you've run it before but more is not better, especially at your age and with a "possibly" still developing HPTA if not already damaged. Really don't think the winny and adrol are necessary. What are your goals here? I fall back to more is not better and add that nutrition and training dictate results, not the amount of aas used.

Do you need an AI? Asking this is a bad indicator. Research more please. Yes, you need an AI. Dose depending on amount of test you end up doing. Nolva is not an AI and should be in your pct with clomid. Your HCG should be run during your cycle at 250 IU's X 2 per week to keep your testicals functioning thus making pct easier.

Before you do any of this you should have complete blood work done. At least then you have baselines to hopefully gauge the success of your pct. It would be a "brilliant" thing to do.

Peptides are fine. Which are you referring to?

kel

**clarky.** · 02-02-2013, 10:53 AM

You did 2 cycles b4 and you ask do i need a AI. Come on mate.

**johnnymctrance** · 02-02-2013, 03:42 PM

Yes an AI is needed on cycle....

**joe_19** · 02-02-2013, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

First, you're a bit young but that's already past tense. Second, gain your weight back first before you embark on this. Third, your cycle has issues you need to address and fourth, some of these questions are really kind of basic which means you need to spend some time learning a bit more. This is not being negative toward you but it will be the observation of many others here as well. That said:

Test amount is in the middle. You may just consider dropping it to a TRT level and using your tren as the basis of the cycle. Read Atomini's thread about Tren for more detailed info for that approach. Long esters should also be run for at least 12 weeks. I'd cut the tren to 8 weeks. Remember tren's a progestin and it doesn't aromatise but can cause prolactin related issues if your E is not controlled. Caber on hand would be wise.

Also remember more is not better at your age and that's a good size dose of tren. I know, you've run it before but more is not better, especially at your age and with a "possibly" still developing HPTA if not already damaged. Really don't think the winny and adrol are necessary. What are your goals here? I fall back to more is not better and add that nutrition and training dictate results, not the amount of aas used.

Do you need an AI? Asking this is a bad indicator. Research more please. Yes, you need an AI. Dose depending on amount of test you end up doing. Nolva is not an AI and should be in your pct with clomid. Your HCG should be run during your cycle at 250 IU's X 2 per week to keep your testicals functioning thus making pct easier.

Before you do any of this you should have complete blood work done. At least then you have baselines to hopefully gauge the success of your pct. It would be a "brilliant" thing to do.

Peptides are fine. Which are you referring to?

kel

ok so what i was thinking is week 1-4 no tren so just the test and anadrol then add the tren ace at week 4-12 thus gives the test time to kick in being long ester takes 4-5 weeks to kick in and less pinning of corse. i can easily change that if we think thats an issue,

diet is

Meal 1 – 6 raw Eggs, 2 cups (6 oz) of Oatmeal and a Protein Shake

Meal 2 – 300g (10.5 oz) Chicken Breast Broccoli and Brown Rice

Meal 3 – 200g (7 oz) Tuna chunks in spring water and Wholemeal Pasta

Workout followed by a Whey Protein shake

Meal 4 – tune sweet potatoe

Meal 5 – Steak and veg

Meal 6 – 1 cup (6.8 oz) of no fat Cottage Cheese 10 minutes before bed

more fruit involved throughout the day also i make a green smoothy all blended up veg and drink one of those a day. all carbs complex, minimal shakes trying to get as much protein from solid food source,

now my goal, im not big on the whole bulking and cutting, my theory is if you eat clean you gain lean now correct me if im wrong but the way i see it is if your average person bulks (looks bloated ) the decides to cut i feel they would look the same as if they just ate a steady diet and gained lean muscle? thats always been something thats on my mind.

so the goal is gain lean eat clean no cheat meals no alcohol. (already a month in to a no alcohol detox)

my training is 5/6 days a week

mon chest
tue back
wed legs
thurs shoulders
fri arms
sat abs+cardio.

so a small problem i have, from my last cycle, coming to australia i didnt have time to prepare a proper PCT, i took some nolva and chlomid a little letro to keep the small lumps of gyno i have in check, (which i gained from the cycle) due to not being able to get more pct to finish cycle off gyno which id gained on cycle starated to get worse its at ease now i have seen a doctor theres not much that can be done bar surgery i have tried taking letro and other anti es does not seem to do anything, so the choices i have are pay about 10,000 aud to get it taken out or wait till i go back to the UK to get it done free, baring in mind i dont have 10k......

what would be the need in getting blood word done just now?

main goal is about 8-14 of solid muscle mass AFTER pct.

i want to use HCG on cycle to keep sex drive up also,

**joe_19** · 02-02-2013, 11:52 PM

also by TRT do you mean keeping the test down as low as possible for regular function ? as apposed to cycling with it for gains ?

**clarky.** · 02-03-2013, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by joe_19

also by TRT do you mean keeping the test down as low as possible for regular function ? as apposed to cycling with it for gains ?

Yes..

**kelkel** · 02-03-2013, 12:46 PM

Clarky answered that question. Make your gains off the tren and have less worries about gyno. May make sense in your case. Read Atominis thread on "All you need to know about Tren" as it will explain everything in detail. BW is to monitor your health to make sure your good to go for this cycle, as you really should not start one if an issue is detected. Then as stated you will have solid numbers to shoot for after pct.

Implementing your tren later in your cycle is fine. Not a fan of anadrol as IMHO it's just too toxic, but to each his own. More is not always better. Your progress will be determined by nutrition and training, not how much aas is used. Visit the Nutrition Forum here and post your diet and goals as well as read the bulking stickies. You don't appear to be eating enouth to me.

Re gyno issues if the lumps are fibrous then surgery is the only real course of action. If not fibrous then look into the following:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

**joe_19** · 02-03-2013, 09:58 PM

cheers for the info guys its been really helpful, im switching the test enth to prop for TRT 150mg per ml so ill do .5 of a mil every 3 days ? or is that to long beween injections? ill look up TRT to get an exact idea, would HCG still be needed if im doing TRT ? also ill try get hold of some CABER im not going to start the cycle until i have everything in check i cant afford for gyno to get worse or have any major sides, problem is getting stuff into AUS so im limited to what i can get hold of and get through customs.... ill have a look at those posts aswell, ill post my blood work also ill get that done over the next few days, thanks for the info again guys,

**joe_19** · 02-03-2013, 10:01 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Clarky answered that question. Make your gains off the tren and have less worries about gyno. May make sense in your case. Read Atominis thread on "All you need to know about Tren" as it will explain everything in detail. BW is to monitor your health to make sure your good to go for this cycle, as you really should not start one if an issue is detected. Then as stated you will have solid numbers to shoot for after pct.

Implementing your tren later in your cycle is fine. Not a fan of anadrol as IMHO it's just too toxic, but to each his own. More is not always better. Your progress will be determined by nutrition and training, not how much aas is used. Visit the Nutrition Forum here and post your diet and goals as well as read the bulking stickies. You don't appear to be eating enouth to me.

Re gyno issues if the lumps are fibrous then surgery is the only real course of action. If not fibrous then look into the following:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15238910

http://jcem.endojournals.org/content/96/1/15.full

what do you mean by fibrous @kelkel ? there hard and always tender and can feel really tender depending on diet i know that sounds silly but if i have say a few days of bad eating they feel more tender i wonder if anyone else has experienced this, maybe its psychological.

**ironbeck** · 02-04-2013, 06:27 AM

Originally Posted by clarky.

You did 2 cycles b4 and you ask do i need a AI. Come on mate.

I have met boat loads of ppl that have done the equivalent of 6 + cycles and have no idea what a AI is, or eating clean, or much of anyting, needless to say some of these ppl make little to no gains.

**joe_19** · 02-04-2013, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by ironbeck

I have met boat loads of ppl that have done the equivalent of 6 + cycles and have no idea what a AI is, or eating clean, or much of anyting, needless to say some of these ppl make little to no gains.

i have made pretty mad gains in my cycles needless to say take you pointless and unhelpful comments else where i know what an AI is, just not sure if its needed in this cycle ,now to find that it isnt as im running TRT an that caber at o.25 mgs a day will be enough to stop the sides im open to, (although it would be wise to keep one on hand) and i can say to start i was an ectomorph (skinny under weight to now looking healthy a year off cycle with abilities to change my body on or off cycle......

**lovbyts** · 02-04-2013, 07:43 AM

Originally Posted by joe_19

i have made pretty mad gains in my cycles needless to say take you pointless and unhelpful comments else where i know what an AI is, just not sure if its needed in this cycle ,now to find that it isnt as im running TRT an that caber at o.25 mgs a day will be enough to stop the sides im open to, (although it would be wise to keep one on hand) and i can say to start i was an ectomorph (skinny under weight to now looking healthy a year off cycle with abilities to change my body on or off cycle......

Is English your 1st language?
How do you run TRT?
Why are you going off on a member who is only stating a fact not necessarily directed at you but you seem to be proving his point with every post?