First cycle critique please

[musclebrah]

1-12 test e 500mg/week
1-4 dbol 40mg/day
Will inject test Mondays and Thursdays
Will take spread out dbol through out the day
will supplement with liv52

Advise/see anything wrong?

Edit: I need help on the PCT what do u guys recommend?

Stats: 195lbs
21yrs old
About 10-12% body fat
5'10
Lifting 3 years

[MuttonChop]

You have to post your PCT and ancillaries too, ya know. Diet and stats would also give us a better picture.

That being said, very level headed cycle. I say that you need maybe 20mg of Dbol . Arnold apparently took 10mg to 20mg per day at his peak level. It is a strong drug and as time goes on, the dosages seem slowly creeping up.

Good luck.

[Knockout_Power]

Nothing wrong with your doses, but I dont see your PCT in there anywhere... whats your game plan to fight sides and keep your gains?

As stated above, what are your stats?

[musclebrah]

Srry I forget but they are up now

I need help with pct. Should I take clomid and Nolvadex ?

[Knockout_Power]

You're going to catch a lot of shit for doing this so young... you can really mess up your body... search Endocrine system

[MuttonChop]

Your weight means nothing without an approximate body fat %. But nonetheless, better than nothing.

Read the stickies for PCT please. Why waste our time when it all out there?

[musclebrah]

You're going to catch a lot of shit for doing this so young... you can really mess up your body... search Endocrine system

It's gonna happen bro

[Knockout_Power]

^^^ at the top of the Q&A thread it outlines a great basic PCT... all answers will be in there

[MuscleInk]

Srry I forget but they are up now

I need help with pct. Should I take clomid and Nolvadex?

Yes in the two compound PCT.
Where's your AI?
Where's your HCG ?
Liv52 is pretty weak as far as liver health goes.

[musclebrah]

^^^ at the top of the Q&A thread it outlines a great basic PCT... all answers will be in there

I'm on the phone it's kinda hard to find it can u link it?

[Knockout_Power]

It's gonna happen bro

I know... I would say 95% of the time those who are recommended not to start do to age dont bother listening... roughly 3-6 months later they are back on here asking why their boobs grew and their dick doesnt work.

I stopped trying to tell people not to, I just hope they make a bad decision a little safer while doing so

[Knockout_Power]

I'm on the phone it's kinda hard to find it can u link it?

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...)#.URHKsI79cso

[Soar]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...rtisol-control

[MuttonChop]

Yes in the two compound PCT.
Where's your AI?
Where's your HCG ?
Liv52 is pretty weak as far as liver health goes.

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use .

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

[Soar]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n-cycle-Swifto

[MuscleInk]

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use .

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

Well that's interesting Mutton. In 18 years of clinical medicine I haven't seen any serious adverse events with HCG. There are known risks in people with severe hypersensitivity to the reagents or those predisposed to coronary disease (thromboembolisms become risk factors with a hx of cardiac problems). I've run as much as 20,000 ius on cycle (small doses over extended periods) and had absolutely no problems at any time.

I agree, HCG is an option for some. I continue to apply it in practice because it has served it's purpose well.

[MickeyKnox]

I wouldn't agree on recommending HCG right away to a newbie MuscleInk. I know this goes against what everyone knows as correct. But the thing is, I know more people who have fvked up their bodies from improper HCG use than with steroid use .

I would instead tell him to carefully use HCG in his second cycle based on how well he was able to recover after his first one. For example, me and two of my buddies never get much nut shrinkage and we are at baseline test after 2 weeks of just Nolva at 20mg ED.

Anytime you introduce enough exogenous testosterone to promote Testicular Atrophy, hCG should be included on cycle.

[MuttonChop]

Well that's interesting Mutton. In 18 years of clinical medicine I haven't seen any serious adverse events with HCG . There are known risks in people with severe hypersensitivity to the reagents or those predisposed to coronary disease (thromboembolisms become risk factors with a hx of cardiac problems). I've run as much as 20,000 ius on cycle (small doses over extended periods) and had absolutely no problems at any time.

I agree, HCG is an option for some. I continue to apply it in practice because it has served it's purpose well.

MuscleInk, I thank you for not bashing my head in with a rock. I like your professional reply. You have much much more experience than I do.

Do you believe that overuse of HCG could lead to desensitization to Luteinizing hormone? I always thought this was what happened to the people I know who were shutdown for months, even though they did a simple 500mg/wk of Test E for 10 weeks.

[musclebrah]

Ok I got my PCT ready what u guys think


Begins wk 15 to wk 19
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

[MickeyKnox]

MuscleInk, I thank you for not bashing my head in with a rock. I like your professional reply. You have much much more experience than I do.

Do you believe that overuse of HCG could lead to desensitization to Luteinizing hormone? I always thought this was what happened to the people I know who were shutdown for months, even though they did a simple 500mg/wk of Test E for 10 weeks.

I realize this question is for my friend MI, but i just wanted to add there is not one single shred of evidence that supports desensitizing of the LH hormone when hCG is used at suggested protocols for AAS.

Note: Those that are on TRT for life using hCG are a different matter - perhaps a Specialist from the HRT Wellness Forums can wade in on that one.

Ok I got my PCT ready what u guys think


Begins wk 15 to wk 19
Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Youre gtg.

[MuscleInk]

I realize this question is for my friend MI, but i just wanted to add there is not one single shred of evidence that supports desensitizing of the LH hormone when hCG is used at suggested protocols for AAS.

Note: Those that are on TRT for life using hCG are a different matter - perhaps a Specialist from the HRT Wellness Forums can wade in on that one.

Youre gtg.

Correct!!! The primary reason is that the molecular and cellular cascades elicited are different for LH than HCG.

I'll add more when I'm not driving.

[fit2bOld]

I dont know Musclebrah your still 21 but i say no cycle till I see a current pic. and even then probably hold off.I gained tons of weight from 21-26 with a solid workout and nutrition plan and went on to win The Lt. Heavy Class in State NPC competition. May have took some time but I'm now over 50 and still built.

Think about it Bro!!!