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    First "real" cycle starting soon, please fine tune!

    Friends,

    Here is where I'm at:

    week 1-12 Cyp 250 250mg x 2 per week shooting Mon and Thurs. *or should I run Prop for 8 weeks?

    week 1-14 HCG 250iu's twice a week with test shot.

    week 1-14 Aromasin .5mg EOD

    *Maybe.. week 6-12 Var 50mg ED (I ran var a few times by itself over the years with no sides)

    PCT:
    14 days after last pin.

    clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20

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    32 yr old 5' 10"
    190 pounds roughly 15%bf

    cheers!

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    Hey bro,

    Forget the var for this cycle. Just run your test. Consider Adex instead of aromasin , it works faster and easier to manage. You can dose adex @ .25 EOD.

    Everything else looks good to me. Good luck .

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    I am so stuck on var lol. I just want to get that hard look towards the end.. Any other suggestions?

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    I will get Adex instead.

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    Your first couple of cycles should be Test only.

    Drop the Var.

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    I agree w/my buddies austin and tj, but give winstrol a try if youre under 10% bf. If not, not any good.

    Good Luck

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    Will do, no var. How does everything else look?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak
    Will do, no var. How does everything else look?
    Agree with guys, no need for var for first run.

    Run your HCG until 4days before the start of PCT.

    Start your PCT 18days after last CYP.

    Start with .25 adex or aromasin at 12,5mg eod and up the dose if needed.

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    PCT starts 16 days after last Test Cyp injection, not 18.

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    Definitly run prop instead if you dont mind injections, its worth it imo

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    I originally was thinking prop for 8 weeks so at least its a bit shorter than running Cyp. What is really the benefit other than that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    I originally was thinking prop for 8 weeks so at least its a bit shorter than running Cyp. What is really the benefit other than that?
    Recovery (PCT) begins in 3 days as opposed to 16.

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    Other than a shorter cycle what other benefits.. I've heard different stories.

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    Everthing happenes faster, quicker results quicker pct and more bang for your buck as the ester is lighter and there is more active compound

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    What would be a suggested first cycle running prop?

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    Mickey. thanks man. I am going to do this:

    Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 100mg eod.
    Wk 3-8 Anavar = 60mg/day dosed 20mg every 8 hours.
    Wk 1-8 Aromasin 12.5mg eod day after Prop - monitor and adjust accordingly. * I can only get 10mg tabs would that be ok?
    Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before Prop. Same day as AI.

    PCT
    Begins wk 9 to wk 12

    Clomid 75/50/50/50 *I can only get 50mg tabs would that be ok or should I get a pill cutter
    Nolva 40/40/20/20

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    Aromasin is a strong AI and 10mg EOD is a good dose for this cycle. You are running an aromatizing compound only at a weekly of 375mg and Anavar is a DHT, meaning it will not convert to estrogen.

    Yes, get a pill cutter for Clomid. 50mg pharm grage tabs is what I have been only getting too, no problem.

    PCT starts 3 days after last injection.

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    Thanks!

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    Quick question..

    Say I start monday.. I would pin M/W/F/Sun= Prop. What days would I pin HCG ? Tues/Thurs or Tues/Sat? Considering you said take day before prop. AI= Tues/Thurs/Sat?... Just a little confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    Quick question..

    Say I start monday.. I would pin M/W/F/Sun= Prop. What days would I pin HCG? Tues/Thurs or Tues/Sat? Considering you said take day before prop. AI= Tues/Thurs/Sat?... Just a little confused.
    When you are running a short ester it doesn't really matter - your Test levels will be as stable as they can be. hCG can then be included any day as long as the second shot is 3.5 days apart - for the most stable bloods when using twice per wk protocol.

    And please keep in mind this is NOT etched in stone. This is simply a guideline to maintain the most stable bloods. But being off a day here and a day there will not upset the apple cart.

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    Couple more questions to sum it all up..

    Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 100mg eod. here is my thought... M/W/F/Sun, Tues/Thurs/Sat, etc etc...
    Wk 3-8 Anavar = 60mg/day dosed 20mg every 8 hours.
    Wk 1-8 Aromasin 10 mg eod day after Prop Tues/Thurs/Sat/M/W/F etc etc..
    Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day before Prop. Same day as AI. Basically rotate this so one week it will be Tues/Sat then Wed/Sun..

    Should I draw with 18 and pin with 27 or 25? I have both and both are 1 1/2. I apologize for all the questions.. Starting Monday and want to make sure everything is perfect.

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    All gtg.

    Draw with 18 pin with 25 1.5 in GLUTES. All other areas 1" 23 gauge, ideally.

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    I assumed PCT is in place, correct?

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    Yes sir:

    PCT
    Start wk 9 to wk 12

    Clomid 75/50/50/50
    Nolva 40/40/20/20


    Getting a bit excited.. Hopefully the prop wont kill my ass lol. I will inject in the morning since I am mobile the entire day and hopeful this will reduce any pain.

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    Just hope I am not forgetting anything.

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    Good luck SF.

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    starting tomorrow. question.. Cycle will end on April 28 which is a Sunday. My last shot of Prop will be on Saturday the 27th. Should I start the PCT on Monday the 29th? thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    starting tomorrow. question.. Cycle will end on April 28 which is a Sunday. My last shot of Prop will be on Saturday the 27th. Should I start the PCT on Monday the 29th? thanks!
    Begin recovery on Tuesday.

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    Is it ok to pre-load the syringe with the prop for the week? Also the HCG so I can have it set and ready to go?

    thanks for the previous reply

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    Is it ok to pre-load the syringe with the prop for the week? Also the HCG so I can have it set and ready to go?

    thanks for the previous reply
    Negative on the pre-load with oils. hCG can be preloaded and frozen.


    Freezing hCG

    http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UJKMCGfX_fs

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    thanks!!

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    Would it be a bad idea to pin tonight about 3 hours before going to sleep? Im headed to a friends house who is a doc so I thought it would be a good idea for him to do it the first time

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    Other than throwing the Var back in when others suggested not to bother, this is a very nice cycle. I like that you have all ancillaries in place and with proper dosage.

    IMO I would up that prop just slightly to try and get it to the 400/wk mark. Keep in mind that for each mL you pin, you will lose a touch in the plastic portion of the needle as well as some may come back out the injection site. It wont be much, but even if its 10%, that drops your dose from 350 to just over 300. If its dosed @ 100/mL, I would pin 1.25mL EOD

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    Would it be a bad idea to pin tonight about 3 hours before going to sleep? Im headed to a friends house who is a doc so I thought it would be a good idea for him to do it the first time
    does not really matter on timing. Prop may be a bit painful for a day after injecting so I usually recommend earlier day shots so you can work out the muscle a bit before sleep or it can be more sore in the morning. Some prop is painless so this is not a concern

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    So he could show the wifey...

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    Knockout, I agree.. I dont wanna screw anything up by him starting it tonight but at the same time he could show my girl the correct way... He is a anesthesiologist, great with needles lol

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    Do you guys think it would be ok for him to start tonight? And if so would i start HCG tomorrow? its 8pm here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by speedfreak View Post
    Do you guys think it would be ok for him to start tonight? And if so would i start HCG tomorrow? its 8pm here.
    HCG a day before AAS is the recommended OCT protocol.

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    Ok. I will start the HCG today and PROP tomorrow. Should I also start the AI today or wait until after injection of PROP?

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