Tren only

[jel2190]

I did try to search 1st but could not find. I am a 41 year old male, 5'8 190 15% bf.. In 2012 i did 3 cycles. Tren Ace/Test Cyp 1cc each Sunday and Wednesday and Tren Ace/Test Ena same doseages. I really like the Tren/Cyp great gains in size and strength. I have been off for almost 8 weeks and i am about to start again. My question is would Tren only for 8 weeks really hurt with out the Test. I have a very high T level as I have had my doctor test me. I am not too worried about Libido cause GF really makes that sore. lol

[Soar]

She makes your member and dangly bits sore??? Tren alone would be nasty.. I don't think I would ever think of that. You'll feel like absolute shyt, you need some test in there. Even if its only a TRT dose

Not to mention your girlfriend could use your junk as paper weight...

[pjliftsalot]

I personally would not do a tren only cycle.

[Back In Black]

Off for 8 weeks since your PCT? How long was your cycle? And cc's mean nothing, what were the dosages in mg?

[Deeez]

Read this thread has lots of great info on trenhttp://forums.steroid .com/showthread.php?508157

[The Bear 79]

Does Tren . even exist in the Cypionate ester?

[redz]

Does Tren . even exist in the Cypionate ester?

I think he was referring to the Tren with Test Cyp.

Tren only is terrible idea, it does not matter how high your test levels are, tren will wreak havoc by itself and you would have a high chance of ED no matter what naked chick is in your bed. Just get some test to avoid this. What was your pct last time around?

[Granovich]

I would say drop the tren period!
U started with period which is wrong!!!
Start with good test cyp or test e or prop cycle and i would add some proviron and have an Ai and hcg throughout
And a solid PCT
I dont think with such cycle you will need to wait alot beforr doing anothing
6-8 weeks will be enough to start again
Alot will disagree but its unnecessary with only test cycles

[Atomini]

Absolutely STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh? You're not worried about your libido? How about all of the other extremely essential physiological functions that Testosterone governs in the body? Didn't think about that, did you? Stop trying to dumb down a scientific subject that is so rich and so deep just to justify improper use of an anabolic steroid . It is actually disrespectful to the field of medicine, science, and human biology as a whole. You have no possible concept of the complexity of the endocrine system, hormones, and the sheer number of almost infinite functions they control in the body. If you do what you are suggesting, you are asking for trouble. If trouble is what you want, by all means go for it!!

Yes, I may be coming off seemingly harsh right now, but you need to know this before you potentially do harm to youself. I am here to help and educate people, and that's exactly what i'm doing. Some points need to be hammered into individuals in a different manner because of how damn serious some people's ideas can be (like running Trenbolone alone).

But let me tell you right now, I would NEVER EVER reccomend running trenbolone on its own without Testosterone . That's just absurd - now you're going into the other end of extremes here. Without exogenous Testosterone, the exogenous Trenbolone that you are administering will totally shut down your body's own endogenous Testosterone production. This means that the essential and vital bodily functions that Testosterone and its metabolites govern are now being severely compromised. Now, you might ask the question "well, won't the Trenbolone take over for those functions? And won't it be better since Trenbolone is so much more powerful than Testosterone?". The answer is: NO! HELL NO!

Trenbolone may be 5x as anabolic as Testosterone, but that's all it pretty much has going for it. Trenbolone is a progestin with very strong anabolic effects - it is not a proper androgen for normal bodily function. And when I say 'normal bodily function', i'm talking about far more than your libido here. The human body and endocrine system is not that simple. Testosterone is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it regulates the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets and hence platelet aggregation in humans, it is essential for proper mental and psychological function, and MANY MANY more functions, so many in fact that I cannot possibly list all of them here. Just because Trenbolone is 'better than' Testosterone in one or two areas (anabolic tissue increases), does not mean that it is better than it in every single aspect and function. Trenbolone does absolute jack shit in many of those physiological functions that Testosterone is responsible for regulating and governing.

Want to mess with all of that? Go ahead. Watch what happens.

This is why you require, at the very least, a normal physological level of Testosterone in your body during ANY cycle of ANYTHING. If you do this, you minimize/eliminate aromatization which is the cause for making a few Trenbolone side effects far worse. The idea here is proper balance and proper levels, NOT complete elimination of it!

I do not understand why, in this little AAS-using subculture, people need to go to extremes at either end with these things. Listen to what Buddha said, and find the middle way.

[MickeyKnox]

Absolutely STUPID IDEA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh? You're not worried about your libido? How about all of the other extremely essential physiological functions that Testosterone governs in the body? Didn't think about that, did you? Stop trying to dumb down a scientific subject that is so rich and so deep just to justify improper use of an anabolic steroid . It is actually disrespectful to the field of medicine, science, and human biology as a whole. You have no possible concept of the complexity of the endocrine system, hormones, and the sheer number of almost infinite functions they control in the body. If you do what you are suggesting, you are asking for trouble. If trouble is what you want, by all means go for it!!

Yes, I may be coming off seemingly harsh right now, but you need to know this before you potentially do harm to youself. I am here to help and educate people, and that's exactly what i'm doing. Some points need to be hammered into individuals in a different manner because of how damn serious some people's ideas can be (like running Trenbolone alone).

But let me tell you right now, I would NEVER EVER reccomend running trenbolone on its own without Testosterone . That's just absurd - now you're going into the other end of extremes here. Without exogenous Testosterone, the exogenous Trenbolone that you are administering will totally shut down your body's own endogenous Testosterone production. This means that the essential and vital bodily functions that Testosterone and its metabolites govern are now being severely compromised. Now, you might ask the question "well, won't the Trenbolone take over for those functions? And won't it be better since Trenbolone is so much more powerful than Testosterone?". The answer is: NO! HELL NO!

Trenbolone may be 5x as anabolic as Testosterone, but that's all it pretty much has going for it. Trenbolone is a progestin with very strong anabolic effects - it is not a proper androgen for normal bodily function. And when I say 'normal bodily function', i'm talking about far more than your libido here. The human body and endocrine system is not that simple. Testosterone is vital for proper libido function, it is a regulator of cognitive and physical energy, it regulates the population of thromboxane A2 receptors on megakaryocytes and platelets and hence platelet aggregation in humans, it is essential for proper mental and psychological function, and MANY MANY more functions, so many in fact that I cannot possibly list all of them here. Just because Trenbolone is 'better than' Testosterone in one or two areas (anabolic tissue increases), does not mean that it is better than it in every single aspect and function. Trenbolone does absolute jack shit in many of those physiological functions that Testosterone is responsible for regulating and governing.

Want to mess with all of that? Go ahead. Watch what happens.

This is why you require, at the very least, a normal physological level of Testosterone in your body during ANY cycle of ANYTHING. If you do this, you minimize/eliminate aromatization which is the cause for making a few Trenbolone side effects far worse. The idea here is proper balance and proper levels, NOT complete elimination of it!

I do not understand why, in this little AAS-using subculture, people need to go to extremes at either end with these things. Listen to what Buddha said, and find the middle way.

I get a woody everytime you write huge technical answers..

[jel2190]

SOAR- nice catch. Yes she makes is SOAR!!! My PCT after my 1st cycle started off as 40mg of Nova ED, after about 10 days I couldn't do it, i felt very weird for some reason. I stopped and had no issues. After 2nd and 3rd cycle with 4-6 weeks in between i did not do any PCT. I have not noticed any negative effects.
ATOMINI- you say i don't know about Endo system well I forgot to mention I have been a type 1 diabetic for over 27 years. In that time my A1C has never been over 6.8 (which I am sure you know is pretty BAD ASS) My labs are done every 3 months so I am pretty in tune with my body while on cycle and while off. Everybody is different and what I am doing seems to be working for me!!! I was just merely asking a question to gain more knowledge before I just jumped off the cliff to try it but I thank you for your lengthy retort. My doses were 100mg Tren 200mg Cyp twice a week.

[swm1972]

I tried deca only for a few months (against every popular opinion to the contrary) and was fine. I was HRT for years at this time so I completely crashed to zero T. Libido was at an all time low, but I could still perform if I tried to. Test is a vital hormone but you can survive without it.

I don't see any advantage to running tren only. But don't think it is the 'hell no dude, don't do it' people are making it out to be.

[Lunk1]

Back in "the day" it was done by the pro's before comp (and before they really understood things to the degree we do now). Unless you were about ready to step on stage at single digits and this was a $ making endevor then I would ask...why would you consider it. Your test level is "good"? It won't be on tren alone. Not to mention the sides of tren that a little test helps minimize!

[Atomini]

SOAR- nice catch. Yes she makes is SOAR!!! My PCT after my 1st cycle started off as 40mg of Nova ED, after about 10 days I couldn't do it, i felt very weird for some reason. I stopped and had no issues. After 2nd and 3rd cycle with 4-6 weeks in between i did not do any PCT. I have not noticed any negative effects.
ATOMINI- you say i don't know about Endo system well I forgot to mention I have been a type 1 diabetic for over 27 years. In that time my A1C has never been over 6.8 (which I am sure you know is pretty BAD ASS) My labs are done every 3 months so I am pretty in tune with my body while on cycle and while off. Everybody is different and what I am doing seems to be working for me!!! I was just merely asking a question to gain more knowledge before I just jumped off the cliff to try it but I thank you for your lengthy retort. My doses were 100mg Tren 200mg Cyp twice a week.

Under 6.8 AIC? Good stuff. In any case, just understand the risks involved in Trenbolone use on its own. I can't say there is any way of safely jumping off a cliff though.... but be careful lol.

[jel2190]

After further review I WILL be doing the Tren /Cyp cycle that i have done before with great great results. I have already sent a txt to my "friend" who will add the CYP to his order today. Thank you all for attention to this thread, I know I don't post much but I have read alot and appreciate all the research you all have done to make me an others more aware.
Your post was very informative Atomini although I did have to get my dictionary out a few times. LOL Thanks

[MickeyKnox]

I tried deca only for a few months (against every popular opinion to the contrary) and was fine. I was HRT for years at this time so I completely crashed to zero T. Libido was at an all time low, but I could still perform if I tried to. Test is a vital hormone but you can survive without it.

I don't see any advantage to running tren only. But don't think it is the 'hell no dude, don't do it' people are making it out to be.

I disagree.

With all the information that is widely accessible and available nowadays, not to mention Atominis brilliant thread on Tren and this latest post here, you would have to be out of your mind, on heavy meds, simple minded, or just plain retarded, to do a Tren only cycle. There's no excuse at all for the average user to do something this foolish today.

In fact, the transparent truth is i JUST had this conversation today with a friend at the gym. He informed me he was going to do a Tren only cycle. And he thought that adding Testosterone was for bulking only. I said, "hell no dude, dont do it." And then went on to explain why.

True story. ^^

[austinite]

^ problem with most is that they are only concerned with what's going on OUTSIDE their bodies. "Dont want to get gyno, dont want a limp dick" etc... there are FAR more concerns INSIDE your body that need consideration.

[austinite]

After further review I WILL be doing the Tren /Cyp cycle that i have done before with great great results. I have already sent a txt to my "friend" who will add the CYP to his order today. Thank you all for attention to this thread, I know I don't post much but I have read alot and appreciate all the research you all have done to make me an others more aware.
Your post was very informative Atomini although I did have to get my dictionary out a few times. LOL Thanks

41 and in Texas, huh? Ever need anything TRT related, we can help: http://www.steroid.com/contact-low-testosterone.php

[ironbeck]

I get a woody everytime you write huge technical answers..

I don't bother reading them any more, i think atom likes to hear his own voice.

[austinite]

I don't bother reading them any more, i think atom likes to hear his own voice.

Hey that's not very nice. He's contributing generously. You don't have to read his posts by any means, but no need for such comments.

[MickeyKnox]

Hey that's not very nice. He's contributing generously. You don't have to read his posts by any means, but no need for such comments.

Totally agree with this.

Atomini is a huge asset to this community and has provided some very informative insight into many different topics. All of his articles are backed up with links to medical studies and supporting information. His contributions are very well received and appreciated by this community.

[Atomini]

I don't bother reading them any more, i think atom likes to hear his own voice.

Alright then, I guess i'll just stop helping people if that's what you want.

You know what's funny? I got PMs from someone a few months ago who basically was calling me a pretentious cock sucker and told me that I make myself seem better than everyone around here on the forum.

I don't get it. I could've just laughed at this thread and closed it instead of posting in it, but I care too much about helping people and sharing with them the appropriate knowledge necessary to make safe, responsible, and proper decisions in regards to anabolic steroid use . I guess when you come off as a knowledgable individual who uses articulate vocabulary to explain concepts about science that are hard to understand for the average individual, its inevitable that people will think you're some kind of big-headed fancy-talking asshole who thinks he's better than everyone else.

I'm not asking for anything in return for the information i'm sharing on here with people. And I certainly won't bring up how much time I invest in doing so (that I don't NEED to be investing) because you'll just think to yourself "oh look, he's emphasizing how much time and effort he puts into posting shit here, he's just inflating his head even more trying to make himself seem even more self-important". If I DON'T post in threads like these trying to help people out, i'll be condemned for being a pretentious asshole who just likes to post giant articles that feels like he's too good to post in people's threads. If I DO post in threads like these trying to help people out, I get pretty much the same flak that you just gave me. Damned if I do, damned if I don't I guess.

I don't get what your problem is.

[Lunk1]

Alright then, I guess i'll just stop helping people if that's what you want.

You know what's funny? I got PMs from someone a few months ago who basically was calling me a pretentious cock sucker and told me that I make myself seem better than everyone around here on the forum.

I don't get it. I could've just laughed at this thread and closed it instead of posting in it, but I care too much about helping people and sharing with them the appropriate knowledge necessary to make safe, responsible, and proper decisions in regards to anabolic steroid use . I guess when you come off as a knowledgable individual who uses articulate vocabulary to explain concepts about science that are hard to understand for the average individual, its inevitable that people will think you're some kind of big-headed fancy-talking asshole who thinks he's better than everyone else.

I'm not asking for anything in return for the information i'm sharing on here with people. And I certainly won't bring up how much time I invest in doing so (that I don't NEED to be investing) because you'll just think to yourself "oh look, he's emphasizing how much time and effort he puts into posting shit here, he's just inflating his head even more". If I DON'T post in threads like these trying to help people out, i'll be condemned for being a pretentious asshole who just likes to post giant articles that feels like he's too good to post in people's threads. If I DO post in threads like these trying to help people out, I get pretty much the same flak that you just gave me. Damned if I do, damned if I don't I guess.

I don't get what your problem is.

Sorry...I was trying to PM someone ABOUT you, not send it TO you

[MickeyKnox]

Atomini,

Please don't be discouraged by anyone here that doesn't appreciate your contributions. Im confident this community stands behind you 100% and appreciates the time you invest in this site. Your opinions and articles are valuable to 10's of 1000s of members here and have helped at least that many. I, (and im certain many many others) look forward to reading anything authored by you. Do not be discouraged by ANYONE.

Thanks for your generous contributions and everything you have done to support this site!

[The Bear 79]

Atomini,

Please don't be discouraged by anyone here that doesn't appreciate your contributions. Im confident this community stands behind you 100% and appreciates the time you invest in this site. Your opinions and articles are valuable to 10's of 1000s of members here and have helped at least that many. I, (and im certain many many others) look forward to reading anything authored by you. Do not be discouraged by ANYONE.

Thanks for your generous contributions and everything you have done to support this site!

I second that, your knowledge is vital here brother.

[Tron3219]

Eye heart atomini

-TroN-

[3863]

I second that, your knowledge is vital here brother.

True.

Tren is a bad choice only, though people have done it. Like Nadro really, you could get deca -dick.

[songdog]

Atomini,

Please don't be discouraged by anyone here that doesn't appreciate your contributions. Im confident this community stands behind you 100% and appreciates the time you invest in this site. Your opinions and articles are valuable to 10's of 1000s of members here and have helped at least that many. I, (and im certain many many others) look forward to reading anything authored by you. Do not be discouraged by ANYONE.

Thanks for your generous contributions and everything you have done to support this site!

Hey your top shelve in my book bro! even if you are from Canada

[MuscleInk]

Hey your top shelve in my book bro! even if you are from Canada

We'll give you honorary Canadian status SD but just cuz we like you so much.

Don't tell Lunk though. He's black listed.

[RoadToHuge]

Hey your top shelve in my book bro! even if you are from Canada

Wait. Atomini is from Canada?


This changes everything. Damn.


We can still keep him around right? Like a mascot or something?

[Atomini]

WTF man, everyone knows that in the future, Canada is the new world super power once the USA collapses and everyone wants to escape to there.

Also, when disasters and zombies come out, what's everyone's main plan? "Let's escape to Canada!".

What was Snake Plissken's plan in Escape From New York before they injected the mini explosives into his juggular? TURN THE GLIDER AROUND AND FLY TO CANADA!

It's in all the futuristic dystopic movies. Whatcha gonna do then!? That's right, you're gonna wanna come to Canadurr!

[bdos]

WTF man, everyone knows that in the future, Canada is the new world super power once the USA collapses and everyone wants to escape to there.

Also, when disasters and zombies come out, what's everyone's main plan? "Let's escape to Canada!".

What was Snake Plissken's plan in Escape From New York before they injected the mini explosives into his juggular? TURN THE GLIDER AROUND AND FLY TO CANADA!

It's in all the futuristic dystopic movies. Whatcha gonna do then!? That's right, you're gonna wanna come to Canadurr!

Lmao zombies weakness #1 shot in the head #2 aye at the end of every sentance

[Honkey_Kong]

After further review I WILL be doing the Tren /Cyp cycle that i have done before with great great results. I have already sent a txt to my "friend" who will add the CYP to his order today. Thank you all for attention to this thread, I know I don't post much but I have read alot and appreciate all the research you all have done to make me an others more aware.
Your post was very informative Atomini although I did have to get my dictionary out a few times. LOL Thanks

Yeah Jel, I don't think this one is going to end well for you. Best of luck and hopefully your future ED issues wont be permanent.

[Back In Black]

Yeah Jel, I don't think this one is going to end well for you. Best of luck and hopefully your future ED issues wont be permanent.

^^^ x2.

No previous PCT's and none planned for this??????

Ever done any bloodwork?

[swm1972]

I disagree.

With all the information that is widely accessible and available nowadays, not to mention Atominis brilliant thread on Tren and this latest post here, you would have to be out of your mind, on heavy meds, simple minded, or just plain retarded, to do a Tren only cycle. There's no excuse at all for the average user to do something this foolish today.

In fact, the transparent truth is i JUST had this conversation today with a friend at the gym. He informed me he was going to do a Tren only cycle. And he thought that adding Testosterone was for bulking only. I said, "hell no dude, dont do it." And then went on to explain why.

True story. ^^

And if a person resided in a place where compounds of this nature were very difficult to obtain (like oz) I would still stand by my assessment. I didn't recommend it. I just stated the fact it isn't the big deal it is being made into here. Have you ever ran anything solo without test? Ever run a nor 19 without test? Or are you playing advocate based on what you have read on a message board? I have ran a nor 19 solo and it wasn't the life altering event everyone makes it out to be. Once upon a time deca only was a very accepted cycle ran by professional bodybuilders with names you'd recognize.

[swm1972]

WTF man, everyone knows that in the future, Canada is the new world super power once the USA collapses and everyone wants to escape to there.

Also, when disasters and zombies come out, what's everyone's main plan? "Let's escape to Canada!".

What was Snake Plissken's plan in Escape From New York before they injected the mini explosives into his juggular? TURN THE GLIDER AROUND AND FLY TO CANADA!

It's in all the futuristic dystopic movies. Whatcha gonna do then!? That's right, you're gonna wanna come to Canadurr!

There went your credibility. J/k. Good post earlier. You get to be a bit long winded but you bring substance.

[MickeyKnox]

And if a person resided in a place where compounds of this nature were very difficult to obtain (like oz) I would still stand by my assessment. I didn't recommend it. I just stated the fact it isn't the big deal it is being made into here. Have you ever ran anything solo without test? Ever run a nor 19 without test? Or are you playing advocate based on what you have read on a message board? I have ran a nor 19 solo and it wasn't the life altering event everyone makes it out to be. Once upon a time deca only was a very accepted cycle ran by professional bodybuilders with names you'd recognize.

Re read my comment, particularly the first 11 words.

[The Bear 79]

Re read my comment, particularly the first 11 words.

Don't pay this clown any attention Mickey, it's not just you, he goes against the grain in every advice given by anyone, always challenging the advice that have kept thousands of users safe for many years.

His "knowledgeable" title makes the rest of the titled member look bad...........

The best way to deal with this ass hat is to say your piece & then never return to the thread again, (exactly what I'm about to do) that way his rebuttle fails to reach it's target. And if he PM's you, just delete it, don't waste your time with this holier that thou tard.

[MickeyKnox]

Don't pay this clown any attention Mickey, it's not just you, he goes against the grain in every advice given by anyone, always challenging the advice that have kept thousands of users safe for many years.

His "knowledgeable" title makes the rest of the titled member look bad...........

The best way to deal with this ass hat is to say your piece & then never return to the thread again, (exactly what I'm about to do) that way his rebuttle fails to reach it's target. And if he PM's you, just delete it, don't waste your time with this holier that thou tard.

I think i'll take your advice Bear.

Atomini, when you get a chance, can you cut that brilliant Tren thread in half? It's a little wordy..

[Atomini]

I think i'll take your advice Bear.

Atomini, when you get a chance, can you cut that brilliant Tren thread in half? It's a little wordy..

Yeah I think from now on if I create articles, threads, or responses on complex subjects, i'll just use one-word answers.