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Stats: 6'3-200lbs, 15%bf
15 years training, last 3yrs serious. 4 day per wk.
1st cycle, Cyp @ 400 a week for 6 to 8 wks almost 10 yrs ago. No AI,
No PCT. ( young and dumb)
2nd cycle sust250 E3D for 12 wks and finished off with Prop100 EOD
for the last 2 wks, 14wks total. Stane 12.5mg Eod and StandardPct
No HCG.
Proposed 3rd cycle, Prop @ 75mg and Tren-A @ 100mg EOD. Stane 12.5 Eod, Caber on hand, and will be running HCG 250iu's 2x per wk.
What do u guys thinks?
I read that Nolva should be used with HCG. Have you thought about that?
No Nolva is a serm and would do lil to benefit while on HCG, A standard AI should be run with HCG. Then 4 days after last HCG pin, Nolva and Clomid should be administered.
Hmm. thought i read something about desensitizing your testes or something haha. well goodluck!
Honest you dont need tren on your 3rd cycle especially when you just finished your 2nd cycle and your 1st was 10yrs ago, stop reading all the tren threads because its an advanced compound and your not ready, half the guys who run it here aren't ready so please dont follow suit. You have enough over compounds to try what will give you great gains before using something so toxic.
I hear ya Marcus, Whats ur thoughts on NPP? Still a 19-nor... But not as harsh as Tren. I appreciate ur input. My next choice would to Blast some prop @ 150mg EOD for 8 wks.
Agree with Marcus, no need to run tren at your 3rd cycle, and net even NPP.
I think couple first cycles should be test only.
Do prop 150mg eod and maybe throw some var or tbol in.
I vote for that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Stosh_112
I respectfuly disagree. We all act as human lab rats to a degree. Testing compounds on ourselves to see what kind of results we can achieve!
Stosh...your prob. more prepared than the biggest percentage of tren users here...I say...give it a shot, see how you react and what rewsults you achieve!
My only suggestion would be to consider adex vs Aromasin do to the fast rkick in time of your compounds and AI
I agree with lunk on this not all products are made with the same ratios of products. Or even correct amounts of the right products.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunk1
Yes we are all lab rats and we all need to tread with slight trepidation.
Throw that book away.Quote:
Originally Posted by dylan111557
Layoff the 19Nors bro you dont need them yet.Keep running your test and eating good.
It was actually a sticky, which all of you preach to read every day. Unless I misunderstood the paragraph?Quote:
Originally Posted by songdog
''HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadotropin) : HCG is a replacement for your natural LH (luteinizing hormone). LH is what your body produces to tell your testicles to produce natural testosterone. LH levels drop when using AAS (HPTA suppression). Using HCG while on cycle prevents testicular shrinkage, speeding PCT when the time comes. Using Nolva while using HCG helps stop HCG from de-sensitizing your testicles to natural LH. In my opinion, any decent cycle/PCT should include HCG. It has been suggested to me that HCG can be used throughout a cycle at 500iu E4D, but im unsure of this from practical experience. The most favorable way is to use it in the last couple weeks of your cycle at a higher dose, like 500iu ED. The trick is to end the use of HCG just as the last AAS is running out of your system. So, 3 weeks before the the last ester leaves your blood, you would start the HCG/nolva combo. HCG at about 500iu ED and Nolva 20mg ED. This is done before Nolva/aromasin (for example) PCT starts, and runs about a few weeks longer than the end of the HCG. Always include Nolva with your HCG, they work together well. Be careful not to overdose on HCG and permanently desenstize your testicles to LH. HCG has an active life of about 3 days. Vitamin E is a booster, read the next one''
only test bro.... test prop ... try like 75-100mg ED...
The prop cycle sounds just fine, no need for tren or npp imho. Your 2nd cycle what you just finished is really just like your first seeing that your first was ten yrs ago. Don't listen to the tren crowd majority of then shouldn't be even running it. No need to test anything out on yourself at such a early stage in your aas development.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stosh_112
Listen to marcus of all my years on here he is one of the most knowlagable members ive come across.Quote:
Originally Posted by marcus300
Imo id run prop at 100mg ed thats a really strong dose and prop by itself is awsome alot of people think the more compounds the better, not true. Its been said for years and ill say it again, test is best!