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    Blood work results prior to first cycle

    Hey guys just wanted to get your impressions on my blood work before running my first cycle. For some reason I cant link to my original thread with stats and proposed cycle

    Anyways, here are the results.
    TESTS --- RESULT --- UNITS --- REFERENCE INTERVAL
    TSH--- 1.4--- uIU/mL--- .450-4.5
    Triliogothyronine,Free,Serum--- 3.1--- pg/ml--- 2.0-44
    T4, Free(Direct)--- 1.32--- ng/dL--- .82-1.77
    Prostate Specific Ag, serum--- 0.7--- ng/mL--- 0.0-4.0

    Testosterone, Serum--- 748--- ng/dL--- 348-1197
    Free Testosterone(Direct)--- 19.1--- pg/mL--- 9.3-26.5
    DHEA-Sulfate--- 220.7--- ug/dL--- 160-449
    Estradiol--- 30.9--- pg/mL--- 7.6-42.6


    I'm turning 30 in april and my cycle will look like this:
    Weeks 1-10 (days 1-70) 250mg Test E twice per week. Tues and Sat
    Weeks 1-11 (days 1-77) Aromasin 10mg ED
    Weeks 1-10 (days 1-70) HCG 250iu Twice per week. Mon and Fri
    Weeks 11-12 (days 71, 74, 77, 80) HCG 600iu Every third day

    Day 84 <-----14 days after last Test E pin Start PCT
    Clomid
    Week 1 50mg per day split in two 25mg doses
    Week 2 50mg per day split in two 25mg doses
    Week 3 25mg
    Week 4 25mg

    Nolva
    Week 1 40mg
    Week 2 40mg
    Week 3 20mg
    Week 4 10mg

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    Pretty well thought out, IMO. Nice to see someone studying up first. Aromasin 's a nice choice as well. I like your bumping up the hcg pre-pct as well. Been reading Scally's work? Make sure your nutrition and training are on point to maximize your gains, othewise you're wasting time and money!

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14671195

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    Good to see someone taking it seriously and getting blood work prior to there cycle, looks good.

    I like to get one mid cycle as well just to see the differneces and then again a week after pct.

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    The Aromasin might be ok at 10-12.5 mg EOD vs ED....you can always increase...what do you think Kel???

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    Trial and error Lunk but it may be a good to start at eod and titrate up if needed. He's gotta know/learn his body.

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    Wow! Thanks for the replies, guys!

    I'll certainly take your word and start out EOD if you think that amount will suffice. Like you said, Kelkel this is going to be trial and error for me given it's my first go around. I guess I'm just afraid that when the symptoms manifest, I'll be too late. The other side of the coin is simply me becoming paranoid, adjusting dosages and pointing the finger at something that isn't there to begin with. Oh well, part of the game I guess. I'll just have to feel it out.

    I was a bit worried that my E2 levels were on the high side and DHEA too low. What do you guys think?

    Also, I was surprised at my test levels. I've been getting BW done every year since I was 25 and these are by far my highest numbers. Given 500mg per week of Test, what can I expect those numbers to be at mid cycle? Is there a back of the napkin calculation for this?

    Thanks again guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunk1 View Post
    The Aromasin might be ok at 10-12.5 mg EOD vs ED....you can always increase...what do you think Kel???
    Half life on Aromasin is around 24 hours and best dosed ED for stable levels. Adex you can skip days and has a much longer half life.

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    Cut the aromasin down and dose every day if your more comfortable. May be a thought to pull a sensitive E2 panel a month into your cycle via privatemedlabs or somewhere similar. That way you'll know for sure. Everyone has slightly different opinions on aromasin, read the study I posted as well.

    Your E2 level posted, if a sensitive assay is perfect. It's all how you feel. You're not a number. Or like Slim said, adex works fine as well and an avg starting dose at 500mg T per week would be .25mg eod. Exactly how much YOU need is throwing darts w/o BW. Simple huh. DHEA could surely be higher but it's not in the toilet. It's in your hormone pathways but you'll be injecting basically downstream so worry about that after your cycle at this point. Then supp with micronized dhea. Maybe start at 25mg and titrate up if BW indicates.

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    Thanks, Kel and thanks for posting that study. I remember reading that at one point or another and could never find it again hahaha. Aromasin seems superior over adex on paper but what the hell do I know? If you dont mind me asking, which do you use, Kel?

    I plan on running BW again mid cycle and post cycle so I'll update this thread when that happens. I'm erring on the side of caution here and find the research an enjoyable past time so I'll continue to read and learn. I appreciate your guys' advice.

    Also, is it safe to assume that in a best case scenario, there should be no problem bouncing back to my pre-cycle blood work levels once I'm off cycle?

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