cycle advise

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 04:59 PM

Hey bros need some cycle advise.my doctor prescribed me some androlgel wich I have been stockpiling , from my research you really can't cycle on the shit. But I do have some tren I brewed. So I'm thinking about applying 2x the amount of gel daily and running 500mg trenA a week. Maybe 6 weeks long.

I haven't run a cycle in a long time but I have a lot of experience in my younger days. I'm 200# 5'10", 35yrs old , pretty low bf % , always in the gym. To get my script I did some tren to kill my test levels and then got blood work done. It really made me respect tren , I lost sex drive for a month. I have never done a cycle without test other than that. I think I'm kinda a guineapig with this setup. Just looking for anyone with expierence trying this or suggestions. I want to start Monday.

**Bio-Active** · 02-09-2013, 05:09 PM

I would not suggest cycling with gel.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 05:17 PM

I agree but its my only source right now of test. I'm hoping it will keep my test levels up to avoid sides of tren . If it works for trt patients it will work. You don't think it will obviously?

**kelkel** · 02-09-2013, 05:21 PM

If your looking to maintain TRT levels of test and add Tren it will work. Read Atomini's thread titled "Everything you need to know about Tren" or similar. Transdermals are still test it's just a different delivery system. Any higher than TRT levels and you'd have to take a bath in it.

**MickeyKnox** · 02-09-2013, 05:25 PM

Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Tren.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...!#.UJLsG2fX_fs

**Papa Smurf** · 02-09-2013, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Hey bros need some cycle advise.my doctor prescribed me some androlgel wich I have been stockpiling , from my research you really can't cycle on the shit. But I do have some tren I brewed. So I'm thinking about applying 2x the amount of gel daily and running 500mg trenA a week. Maybe 6 weeks long.

I haven't run a cycle in a long time but I have a lot of experience in my younger days. I'm 200# 5'10", 35yrs old , pretty low bf % , always in the gym. To get my script I did some tren to kill my test levels and then got blood work done. It really made me respect tren , I lost sex drive for a month. I have never done a cycle without test other than that. I think I'm kinda a guineapig with this setup. Just looking for anyone with expierence trying this or suggestions. I want to start Monday.

Get your hands on some mast to run along with the tren. It will help with the sides

**fit2bOld** · 02-09-2013, 05:45 PM

Killed your test for some androgel . Was it worth it?

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 05:51 PM

Thanks good read.

If I could get my hands on some injectable I would.

Was it worth it to kill my test , at the time no , but i was hoping to get an Injectable prescribed.( to clarify my test production did bounce back , I don't ' need' trt. But yes no boner makes a long few weeks , I wouldn't recomend it)

**songdog** · 02-09-2013, 05:53 PM

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Killed your test for some androgel. Was it worth it?

Not one of the smarter things I have seen done.I would expect a lil more out of a 35yr old guy.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 06:03 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

Not one of the smarter things I have seen done.I would expect a lil more out of a 35yr old guy.

O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.

**Papa Smurf** · 02-09-2013, 06:12 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.

Oh Lord!!! Now yaa done went and done it!!

**songdog** · 02-09-2013, 06:12 PM

[QUOTE=O.fO.shO;6384140]O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.[/Q Not a matter of being shut down.Beacuse in all the research you have done I am sure you know all AAs will shut you down.So you didnt need tren ! And you are lucky your libido came back.Beacuse we have one other guy who pulled that stupid stunt and it took him over a year to recover.And he still isnt 100%.And just beacuse you do a pct doesnt mean you will recover 100%.Many dont so you go run your tren with your gel.Come back when your dick dont work.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 06:21 PM

[QUOTE=songdog;6384154]

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.[/Q Not a matter of being shut down.Beacuse in all the research you have done I am sure you know all AAs will shut you down.So you didnt need tren! And you are lucky your libido came back.Beacuse we have one other guy who pulled that stupid stunt and it took him over a year to recover.And he still isnt 100%.And just beacuse you do a pct doesnt mean you will recover 100%.Many dont so you go run your tren with your gel.Come back when your dick dont work.

Listen bro I dint come here to beat my chest online. Of course pct dosnt gaurente anything , it a risk you ALL take.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-09-2013, 06:24 PM

[QUOTE=songdog;6384154]

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.[/Q Not a matter of being shut down.Beacuse in all the research you have done I am sure you know all AAs will shut you down.So you didnt need tren! And you are lucky your libido came back.Beacuse we have one other guy who pulled that stupid stunt and it took him over a year to recover.And he still isnt 100%.And just beacuse you do a pct doesnt mean you will recover 100%.Many dont so you go run your tren with your gel.Come back when your dick dont work.

Listen bro I dint come here to beat my chest online. Of course pct dosnt gaurente anything , it a risk you ALL take.

**fit2bOld** · 02-10-2013, 08:51 AM

Being on TRT for life is no gift buddy. We didn't have the knowledge about AAS and PCT that we have now many of us guys have been in the gym 30+ years and are sharing what we've learned. Calling some one high and mighty is BS just because thier more knowledgeable. There is a spell check feature so you can clean up your grammar.

**Bio-Active** · 02-10-2013, 11:54 AM

Heres is the deal. The only real benefit to being on trt is if it is medically needed! then its worth it. Makes no sense to shut yourself down only to replace the normal levels of testosterone you had with out it.

Originally Posted by fit2bOld

Being on TRT for life is no gift buddy. We didn't have the knowledge about AAS and PCT that we have now many of us guys have been in the gym 30+ years and are sharing what we've learned. Calling some one high and mighty is BS just because thier more knowledgeable. There is a spell check feature so you can clean up your grammar.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-10-2013, 01:55 PM

This is exactly why i was never a big poster on sites like these. Its like walking into a highschool gym locker room. Because this tool has 7000+ posts makes him knowledable? I have 20 years in the gym and 10 years cycle experience. Its like nobody even reads the question.almost comical. Who said i was on trt? Not me. I have a script i have been stockpiling.

The question is can u run androl gel with tren to keep test levels up until pct , avoiding sides.i got that answered in the 3rd post.thx kelkel.

Now what are we argueing about? Are you guys trying to say that recovery from running tren only is going to be harder than if you ran 500 mg of injectable test with tren? Either way your natty production is shut down , either way your going to have to recover.

95% of these sites are a bunch of juice monkey kids parroting what they heard/ read with no actual idea of whats what.worried thier gf won't let them or thier mommy found thier gear.

**austinite** · 02-10-2013, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

This is exactly why i was never a big poster on sites like these. Its like walking into a highschool gym locker room. Because this tool has 7000+ posts makes him knowledable? I have 20 years in the gym and 10 years cycle experience. Its like nobody even reads the question.almost comical. Who said i was on trt? Not me. I have a script i have been stockpiling.

The question is can u run androl gel with tren to keep test levels up until pct , avoiding sides.i got that answered in the 3rd post.thx kelkel.

Now what are we argueing about? Are you guys trying to say that recovery from running tren only is going to be harder than if you ran 500 mg of injectable test with tren? Either way your natty production is shut down , either way your going to have to recover.

95% of these sites are a bunch of juice monkey kids parroting what they heard/ read with no actual idea of whats what.worried thier gf won't let them or thier mommy found thier gear.

Yes, you can, but it wont suffice.

**Bio-Active** · 02-10-2013, 03:32 PM

Here is the deal man you can do anything you want. Will the gel be enough T to keep you at an acceptable level while you are running the tren ? The answer would be maybe. I have not had good luck with gels and most that i know have switched to inject able T because the gel didn't bring there T levels up high enough. My point is if you are dead set on running this cycle i would run inject able test with it.

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

This is exactly why i was never a big poster on sites like these. Its like walking into a highschool gym locker room. Because this tool has 7000+ posts makes him knowledable? I have 20 years in the gym and 10 years cycle experience. Its like nobody even reads the question.almost comical. Who said i was on trt? Not me. I have a script i have been stockpiling.

The question is can u run androl gel with tren to keep test levels up until pct , avoiding sides.i got that answered in the 3rd post.thx kelkel.

Now what are we argueing about? Are you guys trying to say that recovery from running tren only is going to be harder than if you ran 500 mg of injectable test with tren? Either way your natty production is shut down , either way your going to have to recover.

95% of these sites are a bunch of juice monkey kids parroting what they heard/ read with no actual idea of whats what.worried thier gf won't let them or thier mommy found thier gear.

**O.fO.shO** · 02-10-2013, 03:51 PM

Thanks Jim , your right , the answer is maybe. Nobody here really knows. I would love to run injectable , I don't have any or I would. I was just trying to see if anyone had any actual experience. I'll post my results.

**blacktoppete** · 02-10-2013, 04:20 PM

Good luck on your game plan Gel + Tren cycle. With 10 yrs exp why didnt you opt for Test e,c or p to run with your tren?

**O.fO.shO** · 02-10-2013, 04:33 PM

Really , really....... I DONT HAVE A SOURCE. How many different ways can I type that??

**blacktoppete** · 02-10-2013, 05:41 PM

You brewed your tren , 10yrs exp cycling and you lost your source. Good luck hope all goes well.

**songdog** · 02-10-2013, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Hey bros need some cycle advise.my doctor prescribed me some androlgel wich I have been stockpiling , from my research you really can't cycle on the shit. But I do have some tren I brewed. So I'm thinking about applying 2x the amount of gel daily and running 500mg trenA a week. Maybe 6 weeks long.

I haven't run a cycle in a long time but I have a lot of experience in my younger days. I'm 200# 5'10", 35yrs old , pretty low bf % , always in the gym. To get my script I did some tren to kill my test levels and then got blood work done. It really made me respect tren , I lost sex drive for a month. I have never done a cycle without test other than that. I think I'm kinda a guineapig with this setup. Just looking for anyone with expierence trying this or suggestions. I want to start Monday.

You said (I did some tren to kill your test levels.And yes it is harder to recover from tren only.Why do you think we tell guys not to run tren only.You have to listen before you can learn bro.Good luck

**Granovich** · 02-10-2013, 09:32 PM

[QUOTE=songdog;6384154]

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

O stop the high and mighty bs. Your test is shut down no matter what you use , and pct will make you recover. You just experience the sides without running test. Your in the same boat reguardless no matter what you run. I would expect anyone with a red highlighted handle to realise that.[/Q Not a matter of being shut down.Beacuse in all the research you have done I am sure you know all AAs will shut you down.So you didnt need tren! And you are lucky your libido came back.Beacuse we have one other guy who pulled that stupid stunt and it took him over a year to recover.And he still isnt 100%.And just beacuse you do a pct doesnt mean you will recover 100%.Many dont so you go run your tren with your gel.Come back when your dick dont work.

thats exactly what happend to me LOL
over a year and not 100% recovery ..

**kelkel** · 02-10-2013, 09:59 PM

A little clarity is needed regarding agel and test levels. How you respond is relative to your individual absorption rate and we are all different. It's still just test in a different delivery format. I could easily get over a 1000 level with agel on 6 pumps a day. Which would suffice for a TRT dosage / higher tren run per your question. Whether you can or not remains to be seen. I often wondered how high I could have gotten my level if applied twice per day. But like the guys said, we'd all opt for injections if possible.

A trick with agel is to apply moisturizer about an hour after application of the gel. This will increase it's absorption by around 14-17%. This info comes directly from the agel package insert. Also shower and consider a loufa (sp?) sponge on the application surface to prime it.

**O.fO.shO** · 03-26-2013, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by songdog

You said (I did some tren to kill your test levels.And yes it is harder to recover from tren only.Why do you think we tell guys not to run tren only.You have to listen before you can learn bro.Good luck

Well I figured I'd feed you young parrots some worthwhile info so you can make another 5 thousand posts on a random website and feel educated. I am on a smartphone and this site is not allowing me to upload pics or I can post before after pics.

I just did 7 weeks of androgel with 500mg fina a week. That's androgel 1.62% . Normal application is 2 pumps per day , I did 4 pumps per day. Shot fina ED. Libido was crazy high , I'm sure different people could have different results in that department , but I must absorb the shit well. I also lotioned my skin an hour after applying. I wanted to get my bloodwork done while on to see my actual test levels but my schedule was hectic. I will next run. I will get bloodwork done at end of pct as always.

My gains were 15lbs in 7 weeks pure lean muscle.

Thx to kelkel a a couple others who were helpfull.

I think I'm gonna make that quote my Sig .

**MickeyKnox** · 03-26-2013, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Well I figured I'd feed you young parrots some worthwhile info so you can make another 5 thousand posts on a random website and feel educated. I am on a smartphone and this site is not allowing me to upload pics or I can post before after pics.

I just did 7 weeks of androgel with 500mg fina a week. That's androgel 1.62% . Normal application is 2 pumps per day , I did 4 pumps per day. Shot fina ED. Libido was crazy high , I'm sure different people could have different results in that department , but I must absorb the shit well. I also lotioned my skin an hour after applying. I wanted to get my bloodwork done while on to see my actual test levels but my schedule was hectic. I will next run. I will get bloodwork done at end of pct as always.

My gains were 15lbs in 7 weeks pure lean muscle.

Thx to kelkel a a couple others who were helpfull.

I think I'm gonna make that quote my Sig .

What were your stats before and after?

**O.fO.shO** · 03-26-2013, 04:34 PM

Out of gym a while due to life I was 195# @5'10" to start , ended 210#. All lean mass. I'm sure memory muscle helped.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-26-2013, 05:05 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Out of gym a while due to life I was 195# @5'10" to start , ended 210#. All lean mass. I'm sure memory muscle helped.

LOL are you suggesting that the 15 lbs total that you gained were ALL lean muscle lbs?? You're joking, right? Or did i misunderstand your comment?

**O.fO.shO** · 03-26-2013, 06:23 PM

Well Tbh I don't know the exact content of my weight gain , I din't take tissue samples from every portion of my body and send them into a lab. I am more cut . Deff no water weight with a TNE topical . TrenA is just the god of steroids . I also ate stricter for the most part while on. Scientifically I'm sure its not 100% lean , where exactly do we draw that line?

Your assuming I had to gain water weight? What's your opinion?

**O.fO.shO** · 03-26-2013, 06:26 PM

Not that I care a whole lot , but I took before/ after pics. I can't get them to upload. I'm on a thunderboldt smart phone if anyone has a easy fix.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-27-2013, 05:39 AM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Well Tbh I don't know the exact content of my weight gain , I din't take tissue samples from every portion of my body and send them into a lab. I am more cut . Deff no water weight with a TNE topical . TrenA is just the god of steroids . I also ate stricter for the most part while on. Scientifically I'm sure its not 100% lean , where exactly do we draw that line?

Your assuming I had to gain water weight? What's your opinion?

Your said it was "pure lean muscle". How do you know this?

If youre 35 years old with "20 years in the gym and 10 years cycle experience", you should know how difficult it is to gain 15lbs of "pure lean muscle." And tissue samples are not required. A bit of common sense will tell you that.

Smarten up wise guy. Youre not surrounded by a bunch of kids here. In fact, there is more experience and education contained in this one thread than you could possibly dream of. So if you want help and answers, i suggest strongly that you act accordingly. Otherwise you may find yourself in the corner wearing a dunce hat.

**O.fO.shO** · 03-27-2013, 02:18 PM

Are we agrueing the definition of lean muscle ? I'm not even sure what your bitch is? I'm lieing about my gains , is that it? 2 lbs a week with tren isn't crazy talk. Have you ever ran tren? You could grow up and learn something here. Nah , your kids.

So if it makes you feel better , your right.

**O.fO.shO** · 03-27-2013, 03:30 PM

Are we agrueing the definition of lean muscle ? I'm not even sure what your bitch is? I'm lieing about my gains , is that it? 2 lbs a week with tren isn't crazy talk. Have you ever ran tren? You could grow up and learn something here. Nah , your kids.

So if it makes you feel better , your right.

**MickeyKnox** · 03-27-2013, 03:41 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

Are we agrueing the definition of lean muscle ? No. You are. I know what the difference is between LBM and fat/water. I'm not even sure what your bitch is? I'm lieing about my gains , is that it? I have no bitch, thats just my charming personality. But you were being snotty like you had all the answers with your 20 years experience and your 10 years of jabbing, yet youre in here all messed up and confused on how to properly run Androgel (LOL) and some brewed Tren. Lets keep things in perspective. 2 lbs a week with tren isn't crazy talk. It certainly isn't if we're talking weight gain - not LBM.Have you ever ran tren? You could grow up and learn something here. Nah , your kids.

So if it makes you feel better , your right.

No need to scratch your head bro. Take a deep breath, calm down, and be civil ok?

**ReverendNewman** · 03-27-2013, 03:41 PM

Well, here's my $.02. Dude I DON'T think that's a good idea. AdroGel is not very anabolic. And u can't get ur hands on a few bottles of Test? Really? Shit grows on trees. U can can find it anywhere. I got my bloods done after one of my cycles and of course my T was low. Dr. gave me 8 bottles of AndroGel and I used it for two days. It was summer time, and the shit leaves that white residue all over ur arms. I hated it. Plus I wasn't able to rub up on my beloved GF. Listen to the more expeirenced guys up here. They may be harsh, but their info is solid.

**ReverendNewman** · 03-27-2013, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by O.fO.shO

I agree but its my only source right now of test. I'm hoping it will keep my test levels up to avoid sides of tren. If it works for trt patients it will work. You don't think it will obviously?

Don't forget, AndroGel will suppress ur natural T from coming back. But if it's to offset the the effects of the Tren, who knows. What sides is the Tren giving u?

**O.fO.shO** · 03-29-2013, 03:51 PM

We can agrue all day about bs , the point of the thread was will it work. For me it did. Andro is just another way to take test. It's not going to make recovery any harder. Just like earlier in my posts the guy said recovery from a tren only cycle is harder than a tren/ teat cycle. I'd say that's bs , don't just say it , put some science behind it.

For ME , right now I'm happy. I was brewing TNE which was 2x a day shot. Now I have 1x a day shot and no pain from a tne/ prop test. I watch a ton of you guys posting about is this lab good , is my gear tainted. Well I have a FDA administered test , and brew my own tren . I know what I have.

As far as sides I have always been lucky. My wife hates me banging her too much , that's a good side if you ask me. From the tren really nothing. I got night sweats the last 2 weeks , but I'm not sure it was a tren side or not .

**O.fO.shO** · 03-29-2013, 04:02 PM

I will just add , I have a doctor behind me. I get blood work done after every cycle . I wanted to get it done while on the gel to see what levels it actually took my test too , but I din't , which I should have made time for . He is aware of everything .

So after my experience level , and my backing , let's not talk like I'm the chump here.

I guess in the long run , Wtf do I really care what any of you think. Just trying to give my contribution which is almost to frustrating to be worthwhile.after a lot of searching , nobody out there has tried this. Well here's my results.