Big Guy, Big Steps Q&A

[Mr3ig]

Am currently on my first course in a long time;

Week 1 - 250ml Test. Eth./ Diet = No carbs, no sugar
Week 2 - 250ml Test Eth./ Diet = No carbs, no sugar
Week 3 - 500ml Test. Eth./ Diet = No Carbs, no sugar (i lost perhaps over 5% body fat, 2" off the waist, gained some good lean muscle/ good gains)
Week 4 - 500ml Test Eth. / Diet = Carbs, minimal sugar (ONE WEEK ONLY), a cheat day saw me grow and i decided to continue carbs for a short while
Week 5 - 500ml Test Eth. / Diet = Low carbs, no sugar (CURRENT WEEK)

I have no PCT set in stone as yet, although i shall be tapering down the ml from 500 to 250 for the last 2 weeks.
I also have access to Arimidex (generic) and Teragon Arimidex, although i am more familiar and haveused novadex in the past.

GYM
I have been focusing on weaker areas for 5-7 sets, 4-6 reps
Heavy weights 3-4 sets generally, in effort to maximise growth

SUPPLIMENTS
Vita Freak Vitamins
Rivalus + Syntha 6 Protein blends
Kaizen Whey isolate protein
Cellucor D4 Fat burner
L-Carnatine
Plenty of water, coffee and green tea.

PROBLEM HISTORY
[LIST=1][*]I have suffered with gyno since being at school, and had a fat removal op when 18/19 years old. This was the beginning of my motivation for the gym, and although at times i suffer I believe that once I am in shape again I can re-evaluate my progress and areas to be worked.
[LIST=2] My VO2 Max levels are poor, and so is my cardio (admittedly). This is something i have to work on, although it has slightly improved with reccent BJuiTjuitso classes, which has now stopped.

1. My sleep is an issue, as I have always had a problem with.

Please feel free to ask me any questions, i'm very calm and relaxed and won't bite (unless i'm gripping that cold hard steel in the gym).


THIS PHOTO IS NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF, BUT A PROGRESS SHOT INTO WEEK 4 OF MY DIET AND CYCLE.
AM GRATEFUL FOR MY PROGRESS AND GUIDANCE FROM ALL THE COMMUNITY.

[Back In Black]

Guys, if you can look after his cycle and PCT that would be great.

I'm gonna look after his diet as soon as he posts it in the nutrition section.

You're in good hands big man.

[austinite]

Hey buddy,

I think diet is where you need to focus right now. 25% BF is a bit high and could amplify your side effects. It's safer (much safer) to cycle once you're down to the mid-teens. This is where folks like Back in Black come in and help you in the nutrition section.

Best of luck to you.

[Back In Black]

Austin, he's in week 5 of his cycle already. I'd probably recommend stopping and running some form of PCT right now if it was me. If he wants to do that what would you suggest?

[austinite]

Austin, he's in week 5 of his cycle already. I'd probably recommend stopping and running some form of PCT right now if it was me. If he wants to do that what would you suggest?

Woah! Totally missed that, Im sorry, OP.

Yes, at this stage it would be best to stop.. I'd run the following in a couple weeks...

Clomid 50/50/50/50 and nolva 20/20/20/20

[CanYouDigIt]

he's already half way through his cycle what's the point to stop now? it's not like it's killing him to be over the weight, he can always just change his diet and do more cardio, and he might be able to drop in the high 10's by the time he's at the end of the cycle, if his blood pressure is in check and everything else, being over weight a little bit isn't gonna damage his health, I'm thinking his biggest problem is the lack of sleep, which ultimately causes stress and "weight", so I'd go fix that before anything, can take ziplicone or something,

[austinite]

he's already half way through his cycle what's the point to stop now? it's not like it's killing him to be over the weight, he can always just change his diet and do more cardio, and he might be able to drop in the high 10's by the time he's at the end of the cycle, if his blood pressure is in check and everything else, being over weight a little bit isn't gonna damage his health, I'm thinking his biggest problem is the lack of sleep, which ultimately causes stress and "weight", so I'd go fix that before anything, can take ziplicone or something,

He's in the very early stages. He has yet to get into the "heavy" zone once serum levels build up. That would be taking an unnecessary risk.

[Lunk1]

Forget this tapering up and down idea. Get on that Adex at .25mg EOD ASAP!

Get Clomid to go along with your Nolva for your PCT...dont wait to do this...do it now!

I am concerned that you are admittedly gyno prone and are using at a higher BF%. Stopping and PCT now would be the safest bet no doubt!

[Back In Black]

I'd estimate his bodyfat at ^30% based on other pics.

Big, get a something going in the nutrition forum, just your height and weight and I'll address some issue. Although I'll be off to bed soon so it may be tomorrow.

[Mr3ig]

Guys, if you can look after his cycle and PCT that would be great.

I'm gonna look after his diet as soon as he posts it in the nutrition section.

You're in good hands big man.

Thank you BIB, that's really great of you. I am determined to get back in shape, i have been embarrassed to even go swimming for the last few years, but now i know i'm in good hands and will commit 100% to good guidance.

Thanks again and i look forward to sharing my results with you.

[CanYouDigIt]

your absolutely right, but I haven't read anywhere in any scientific documentation that says being 15% body or 25% body causes a problem with a cycle, the only thing that I've seen with all my research is that anyone who's obeise is they have a bigger prone to gyno, and they have a higher chance for strokes or heart attacks, now does this mean this guy isn't more healthy then me or you?

only him can know this by doing tests.

now if you wanna go deeper in details, why would he have started cycle when he dosen't have his diet in check or sleep?

diet can be changed in a matter of a day, so improoving his cardio.. jumping off cycle may put him in a situation of "depression / anxiety / lack of sleep"... might cause even way more problems for him.. so your motive is correct, but you got to look at the big picture,

[Lunk1]

he's already half way through his cycle what's the point to stop now? it's not like it's killing him to be over the weight, he can always just change his diet and do more cardio, and he might be able to drop in the high 10's by the time he's at the end of the cycle, if his blood pressure is in check and everything else, being over weight a little bit isn't gonna damage his health, I'm thinking his biggest problem is the lack of sleep, which ultimately causes stress and "weight", so I'd go fix that before anything, can take ziplicone or something,

He is gyno prone already and more so with the higher BF! It's asking for issues!

[CanYouDigIt]

estrogen blockers were invented for this, one can be 5% bodyfat, and get gyno.. it's one of the biggest sides of aas.

[Lunk1]

estrogen blockers were invented for this, one can be 5% bodyfat, and get gyno.. it's one of the biggest sides of aas.

AI' are not the catch all unfortunaltly. If he is gyno prone he probably has a great amount of aromatis enzymes...this means he is more likely to have a number of E2 related sides!

[CanYouDigIt]

I'm just curious, everyone on here wants people to be at low 10's in bodyfat, from what I've read for last few years.. and yet there no medical reason for this, if an individual is healthy what's the difference?

I almost have a medical degree, what do you have aas forum knowledge?

so I'm confused why you're advice is better then mine, just because you have more posts then me? or you have told the samething a million times?

[Mr3ig]

Ive just recently separated after little over few years of marriage, my ex suffered with severe depression, so battling that (and losing) was stressful, although now i am more positive and have closure, which has really taken almost all the stress off.

I have been sleeping better now for the last two months, having been back at the gym and forcing myself to goto bed almost as early as when i put my daughter to sleep (going to gym early 7am also helps me sleep too).

Ideally i would like to stay on the Test cycle because of the gains i have made in such a short space of time, HOWEVER, if you all (Austinite, Lunk1 and BIB) recommend i'd stop then i would. Because i am committed to making results, however patient i have to be... so be it. I just thank you all for being so forward and helping.

Much love to you all!

[Lunk1]

I'm just curious, everyone on here wants people to be at low 10's in bodyfat, from what I've read for last few years.. and yet there no medical reason for this, if an individual is healthy what's the difference?

I almost have a medical degree, what do you have aas forum knowledge?

so I'm confused why you're advice is better then mine, just because you have more posts then me? or you have told the samething a million times?

I never said 10% but christ...we are talking 30% possibly! Tell me almost Doc...how is that healthy! Oh and experience running AAS including at highr BF% thats what I have!

[CanYouDigIt]

I've seen people that are overweight to the degree of being 150-200 pounds over there avg weight, and be more healthy then athletes who practice every day, and what not? yet the person over weight all he does is walk 30 min to 1 hour per day?

now my question for you, what does AAS do?

my next question is his bpp is in healthy range, then what's the difference from being on and off? if someone guides him in eating correctly and doing proper lifting ect..

oh here's and another thing, did you know that the avg people in colder climates have higher fat % then the persone in warmer climates, but yet both of them are healthy, so ?

also most people do AAS to gain or lose weight, both of them in this forums mentally shouldn't be doing steroids, so this would condem 95% of the population doing aas,

so why don't we just put in fine print, if your not

6 feet, 195 pounds 8% bf, you shouldn't be doing steroids and save all this hassle?

[Lunk1]

I've seen people that are overweight to the degree of being 150-200 pounds over there avg weight, and be more healthy then athletes who practice every day, and what not? yet the person over weight all he does is walk 30 min to 1 hour per day?

now my question for you, what does AAS do?

my next question is his bpp is in healthy range, then what's the difference from being on and off? if someone guides him in eating correctly and doing proper lifting ect..

oh here's and another thing, did you know that the avg people in colder climates have higher fat % then the persone in warmer climates, but yet both of them are healthy, so ?

also most people do AAS to gain or lose weight, both of them in this forums mentally shouldn't be doing steroids, so this would condem 95% of the population doing aas,

so why don't we just put in fine print, if your not

6 feet, 195 pounds 8% bf, you shouldn't be doing steroids and save all this hassle?

I am not saying he cant finish...read my first post and I suggested what he should do to continue...but, the health risks increase and there is NO argument for that!
The ppl your talking about are not the norm...they are the exception!

[CanYouDigIt]

considering I'm an idiot who knows nothing, can you provide me the reason why someone who has a higher BF% is more at risk then someone with let's say 10%BF?

[Lunk1]

considering I'm an idiot who knows nothing, can you provide me the reason why someone who has a higher BF% is more at risk then someone with let's say 10%BF?

Really..you want me to explain to you why someone at 30% BF is more at risk to health problems that someone who maintains a lower BF%? You almost a doc and you have to get me to explain this!

Where would you like to start? The heavier someone is the more stress on their organs and joints, the more at risk for heart disease, stroke, high cholesterol, high BP...where do you expect this to go?

What do you think the % of 180lbs 10% ppl vs 30% 300 lbs ppl suffer from high cholesterol or are on BP meds?

If you want to tell him to cycle...feel free but be honest about the possible increase in side effects and risks!

[CanYouDigIt]

because I've read from his post the he has made a 5% decrease in bf, which "indirectly tells me he is on the right path", the next part I've read that he had alot of issues with sleep, and stress... and yet the most common problem among people nowadays for increase in weight is that.

now you're telling him he should "get off the cycle" now I have had quite a few experience getting off cycles, which increases stress... anxiety...... you have 0 intention of doing anything... so were condemming this guy that's improoving his life style to 2 months of pain and suffering.

because he started this cycle maybe not as ready as one would hope?... so is this forum to destroy people's lives or help? expecially when the main guys from the forum are giving this sort of advice...

[Lunk1]

because I've read from his post the he has made a 5% decrease in bf, which "indirectly tells me he is on the right path", the next part I've read that he had alot of issues with sleep, and stress... and yet the most common problem among people nowadays for increase in weight is that.

now you're telling him he should "get off the cycle" now I have had quite a few experience getting off cycles, which increases stress... anxiety...... you have 0 intention of doing anything... so were condemming this guy that's improoving his life style to 2 months of pain and suffering.

because he started this cycle maybe not as ready as one would hope?... so is this forum to destroy people's lives or help? expecially when the main guys from the forum are giving this sort of advice...

Again...instead of finding reasons to argue read my first post. The one where I said stop ramping doses and get on the AI (that he seemed to not be using) and get his PCT lined up now instead of later...perhaps in your race to have a nice little debate you missed that post???

[CanYouDigIt]

who cares if there is more stress on his joints because he's 20-50 pounds heavier? I seen people on here that are 100-200 pounds of muscle over what weight there suppose to be, should they stop cycling?

more risk of having heart disease? yes, which is why I said if his BP is at normal condition then he should be fine, cholesterol level has nothing to do with being overweight, where did you learn this fact?

would I told him to cycle before he started no, because in my oppinion he wasn't ready, but now he's 5 weeks in and doing improovements on his life style and his health, yes I'd tell him to keep up the good work.

but am I wrong to say this? it's my oppinion vs yours, doc vs forum master.

this what makes forums nice to have so you can hear different oppinions.

too be honnest I'd recommend no one to do AAS, and yet I do them myself? how ironic is that, I know the consequences but yet my life style I wanted required me to do it, instead of following into my parents ideal world.

[CanYouDigIt]

I didn't try to debate, I just hate that people who are selected on these forums to gave out proper advice don't know more then the avg joe, just because they had 5-10 cycles under there belt.

and not only that, they're destroying lives and getting no consequence out of it, and I just find that really dumb..

[s.e.bowen]

Wow! That's all I can say.

s.e.bowen

[Lunk1]

Again you ignore the original post and continue to to find tid bits to chew on...like joint sress lol. High cholesterol is a known issue with over weight ppl and increased cholesterol is a known side effect of AAS use!

You make it sound like the op need only keep a normal BP and there are no other risks associated with being overweight and AAS usage!

By the way...I dont refer to myself as a forum master because I'm not...for this same reason you shouldnt refer to yourself as a doctor...because your not!

[s.e.bowen]

Again you ignore the original post and continue to to find tid bits to chew on...like joint sress lol. High cholesterol is a known issue with over weight ppl and increased cholesterol is a known side effect of AAS use!

You make it sound like the op need only keep a normal BP and there are no other risks associated with being overweight and AAS usage!

By the way...I dont refer to myself as a forum master because I'm not...for this same reason you shouldnt refer to yourself as a doctor...because your not!

Good one Lunk!

s.e.bowen

[The Bear 79]

Again you ignore the original post and continue to to find tid bits to chew on...like joint sress lol. High cholesterol is a known issue with over weight ppl and increased cholesterol is a known side effect of AAS use!

You make it sound like the op need only keep a normal BP and there are no other risks associated with being overweight and AAS usage!

By the way...I dont refer to myself as a forum master because I'm not...for this same reason you shouldnt refer to yourself as a doctor...because your not!

That's right, you tell em Lunk, you're not a forum master, you're a master baiter.............

[CanYouDigIt]

high cholesterol isn't associated with overweight people, it's associated with eating crap, now if your saying that everyone obesse eats crap well alot of people wouldn't agree with you. and joint stress what's the difference if you have 30% at 180 pounds vs someone who's 295 pounds 5%, he dosen't have joint stress, he's space walking around the gym?

BP levels is actually a very known indicator that you are either having heart problems or high cholesterol..

and you should go read what aas does to your cholesterol because I think you missed that part, there's probably a little forum post somewhere about it.

do you have like additional features when your a forum master?

like instant /imright?

while you fundle up in your box of trick to find out what to say next, you should go find someone who's bp level are stable who have high cholesterol, because I'm curious to see this.. but I don't think you'll be able to provide me this information because I don't think there is someone in here who tried to get high cholesterol to proove your point, so you might need to go out of your forums and look at "real scientific information"... it's gonna be hard.. to open another window off your browser but try it

[Lunk1]

Steroids are well known to raise your LDL and lower your HDL! If the OP is at 30% BF it is MOST likely due to a bad diet and sedenatary life style! Just because his BP is in normal range does NOT mean he has good cholesterol levels! YES...high BP can be directly linked ti high cholesterol!

Again..I wasnt concerning myself near as much as you on the joint issues...you didnt ask for comparisons between heavy BB and overweight ppl. Yes..being heavy fo any reason can cause stress on both joints and organs...we were not debating BB and the risks to the body...only risks associated with being overweight. You can spin it however you like though "DOC"!

Photo Credit spinach image by Ramon Grosso from Fotolia.com
Your risk for developing heart disease includes a number of factors, some preventable and some beyond your control. Diet and lifestyle changes can significantly reduce your chances of suffering a heart attack and help mitigate unchangeable factors such as your age, gender and personal or family history of heart disease. High cholesterol does not necessarily raise your blood pressure, but certainly could if you don't take measures to lower it


Read more: http://www.livestrong.com/article/42...#ixzz2Kda5RfgC


I dont normally google search shyt to shut an asshole up but I have no problem doing so when the asshole gets to loud! I hope you are passing med school because while it appears you (think) you know it all...you clearly do not! I'll take rel life experience over the limited knowledge found in med books on BB doses of AAS any day!

Signed,
The forum Master!

[CanYouDigIt]

unless you can proove he has high cholesterol you can't assume, did I get under your skin, calling me an ass hole? lol.. tough guy Forum master at his best lol..

took you long enough to search it online too, but glad you made an effort to do so, shows that you actually care about what I say, and you haven't prooved me wrong in any of this, and I'm not a "doctor" I said I went to university but I went into sports career instead of having a boring job.. parents forced me to go to university for med, because they're both doctors..

and who says you have more experience then me in real life? yet your assuming quite a bit, I have people around me who have cycled since you were in diapers but for different reasons then body building.

[Lunk1]

I'm guessing the biggest reson your didn't finish school is because you can't fkn read!

1) I never called you and asshole directly...but if the description fits!

2) I never said he HAD high cholesterol..i said he is at an increased risk and AAS contibuted to it

3)I never said I had MORE experience..I simply said I ma speaking from experience

4) I point you for the 5th time to my first post where I suggested how to continue the cycle in a safe manner that you continue to overlook

I'm 40 fkn years old tuff guy...I been around a block or 12...you dumb ass is far from under my skin! Sory if your mad at mommy and daddy for forcing you into something...no need to lash out due to your parent issues!

Keep talking to guys that must be 60+ years old or better to have cycled when I was in diapers...I'm sure their knowledge is up to date on current standard...oh and fuk nut! You did refer to yourself as Doc whenn comparing your self to me (the forum master)

If you think your winning this little battle your having in your room you should ask around...you are proving you know less and less with each post that you focus on dumb shyt.

I actually give a shyt about the ppl that come in here looking for help instead of handing them advice from some out dated book I read before dropping out of college! later sweetheart!

[sixfootseven]

Why would you condone someone w that high bf to use aas whether he had high bp or not? Get in shape, then use aas. They aren't weight loss drugs.

[s.e.bowen]

I'm guessing the biggest reson your didn't finish school is because you can't fkn read!

1) I never called you and asshole directly...but if the description fits!

2) I never said he HAD high cholesterol..i said he is at an increased risk and AAS contibuted to it

3)I never said I had MORE experience..I simply said I ma speaking from experience

4) I point you for the 5th time to my first post where I suggested how to continue the cycle in a safe manner that you continue to overlook

I'm 40 fkn years old tuff guy...I been around a block or 12...you dumb ass is far from under my skin! Sory if your mad at mommy and daddy for forcing you into something...no need to lash out due to your parent issues!

Keep talking to guys that must be 60+ years old or better to have cycled when I was in diapers...I'm sure their knowledge is up to date on current standard...oh and fuk nut! You did refer to yourself as Doc whenn comparing your self to me (the forum master)

If you think your winning this little battle your having in your room you should ask around...you are proving you know less and less with each post that you focus on dumb shyt.

I actually give a shyt about the ppl that come in here looking for help instead of handing them advice from some out dated book I read before dropping out of college! later sweetheart!

Gotta agree 100% with Lunk here!
You're way off base CanYouDig!!!

s.e.bowen

[austinite]

Gotta agree 100% with Lunk here!
You're way off base CanYouDig!!!

s.e.bowen

X2. Good coverage lunk

[CanYouDigIt]

actually I'm not english is my third language, so thanks, I've already prooven my point about this post I'm just arguing at the fact that you have no idea what's wrong with this gentlemen, and you just run your mouth about stupid things,

if you actually did give a shit about people, you'd get some kind of medical license before giving them wrongful information about steroids, but that's just my oppinion.

and just because you take an hour to re-write another post and take the time to divide it up all nicely dosen't change much..

the problem with this gentlemen on this thread is he is having stress and lack of sleep, now go read what this does to a body, and then tell em to get off the cycle so he can get better, and you let me know how that works out, keep the thread to date, so he can tell you how his life is going when he's on pct.

[CanYouDigIt]

and I've prooven you wrong on numeral occassion and if you really wanna get into detail I can, but I'm not trying to save people's life, I'm trying to stop idiots like you from destroying someone else life.

[OnTheSauce]

Tits. I love tits.

[sixfootseven]

Don't feed the troll